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Mochica
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Posted - 2005.03.18 01:16:00 -
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with the issues of empire wars becoming blatant in the last few weeks and the proposed changes to the 0.0 structure it seems that the goal is to destroy IGA. there seems no good reason to maintain a formal IGA when we can get the same functionality out of a playerbased informal structure that doesn't cost money or cause undue vulnerability.
i would like to hear others thoughts on this issue.
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Al Haquis
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Posted - 2005.03.18 01:17:00 -
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War i tell yah , Yarrr
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s4mp3r0r
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Posted - 2005.03.18 01:18:00 -
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Edited by: s4mp3r0r on 18/03/2005 01:18:27 best thing for xetic to do to make a stand is regroup in xetic space and DISBAND the allaince.
The alliance format in game has nothing to offer them, it also ends the empire ganking.
Problem solved.
Edit : spelling.
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s4mp3r0r
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Posted - 2005.03.18 01:19:00 -
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cant believe im saying this but people in b0b had vision. Bjorn Borg : Underwear is futile ! |
hitech redneck
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Posted - 2005.03.18 01:21:00 -
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Can someone give me the isk to declare war on xitec it seems to be the thing to do now days
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Dark Worker
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Posted - 2005.03.18 01:25:00 -
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i agree there mochica
if an aliance wants an empire war they will need to declair war on about 100 corparations and that cost too much money, you will see that the fun in empire will go down and we will have more fun in 0.0 space were the wars need to be
dark worker
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.03.18 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: s4mp3r0r cant believe im saying this but people in b0b had vision.
No, they didn't. The current state of BoB should explain why.
For a MILITARY group, the current Alliance format works. For a CAREBEAR group, no, it dosn't.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
s4mp3r0r
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Posted - 2005.03.18 01:39:00 -
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then why arent b0b an alliance ? Bjorn Borg : Underwear is futile ! |
Luarvique Luarvique
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Posted - 2005.03.18 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
For a MILITARY group, the current Alliance format works. For a CAREBEAR group, no, it dosn't.
When only military groups will be left in game, it will die.
Proper game entity should have both, and the current situation is tilted against it. It's not a problem, it's just the way it is.
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.03.18 03:21:00 -
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OMG! i get some sleep and miss the biggest spamming of these boards in a long time.
anyways i do tend to agree with Cyvok about the alliance system and the complete screwup with how they implemented it. what should have been done was to make sure there was full services in the stations in all 0.0 regions and that the POS crap should not be dependent on empire space at all except maybe for blueprints for building stuff for it. the way i see it is that CCP has finally managed to **** off 10% of the paying customers and if they decide to just cancel and walk out then this game has lost even more.
CCP cannot expect everyone in this game to be a hardcore pvp player as that is not possible with the lay up of the game. hardcore pvp players dont like to mine 24/7 like industrialists do, heck i know i get bored and wanna quit if i only see a mining barge. the problem as Cyvok said is that CCP is trying to push people out to 0.0 but without full services somehow out there it wont work.
i suggest that CLS go claim Curse region or something or even stain region and keep one region for themselves. or that all of xetic does a cancel all accounts and see if CCP will listen then when 10% of the income dissapears overnight. this game would not be the same without those 10% and the only loosers would be the other 90% and CCP.
Originally by: Graelyn
"We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!"
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HostageTaker
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Posted - 2005.03.18 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: s4mp3r0r cant believe im saying this but people in b0b had vision.
No, they didn't. The current state of BoB should explain why.
For a MILITARY group, the current Alliance format works. For a CAREBEAR group, no, it dosn't.
/walks up and rips Maya's BNC name tag off...
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Denz0
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Posted - 2005.03.18 05:09:00 -
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As many have pointed out, current POS is, shall I say, not very well thought out by CCP. I can venture few guesses as to why... However, I do have an imperfect solution. Supposedly, Xetic is rich but militarily weak. (This is true, in the same amount of time, if I concentrated on mining/industry/trade and you on combat, then you combat skilll will be higher and in PVP encounter statistically you will tend to beat me.) But I digress.. Here is part one of the solution: Allow an alliance to "influence" legislation in an empire to declare individuals or corporation or even alliances as "terrorists" or any othe PC moniker. The resources needed to exercise this influence should be very considerable, so that only a large alliance would be able to afford it, and even then infrequently. If this idea comes to pass, wars would be ejected into mostly low sec space, where they belong and leave traders and n00bs in empire space alone. Part two of the solution is for Empire security personel to treat unconsentual hostilities in empire space as violation, with either a sizable fine on transgressor (ship destroyed), to "finance the insurance corporation" and/or to make the law enforcment to try to apprehend/punish the said transgressor.
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2005.03.18 05:19:00 -
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Edited by: Primer Xenius on 18/03/2005 05:20:57 War should always be there but it should be in the right places.
Think honestly about it.
Why are pirates not in 0.0-0.4 like in the old day in the systems where there is supposed to be risk and where players know CONCORD is not there to protect them? I have not been held up and robbed for over a year now when the good old Space Invaders calmly trapped me ship and let me go for a ransom.
Why are pirates instead declaring legal wars in empire against large industrial bases?
Why don't these pirate come out to 0.0 where they should be?
The alliance system is totally borked. It allows CONCORD sanction piracy in empire space at very low cost.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2005.03.18 06:00:00 -
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Edited by: Steel Rage on 18/03/2005 06:09:43 Edited by: Steel Rage on 18/03/2005 06:08:32 The new world order will destroy all major corps and alliances or cripple them harshly it is the new world Chaos. CCP handed 13 year olds a bunch of guns and allowed sold them hunting passes on their entire alliance player base. Not only are alliances locked out of empire we are dragged into wars by battle alt ganker corps we can not fight back against. Making an alt Carebear corp just ruins the organization we all worked so hard to maintain.
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Wendat Huron
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Posted - 2005.03.18 07:18:00 -
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Keep to the regions you claim then.
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Bazza
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Posted - 2005.03.18 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron Keep to the regions you claim then.
Good point except for a few small things,
No Insurance ū How often do you fly around in un-insured ship? Especially when you have wars? No LabĘs Slots ū How are we supposed to research? No Agents ū How are we supposed to get the good stuff?
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Mochica
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Posted - 2005.03.18 10:22:00 -
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keeping to claimed regions is not the answer, it is an ideal for many but not where we are headed. the proposed gate changes/ short cuts to 0.0 as well as the POS dependance on empire ensures that.
the point of the post here was to point out that many of the recently added features work against the formal in game alliance system. perhaps i'm blind but it seems there are so many detractors that having an IGA is like asking to be kicked in the head, many have realized this and compartmentalized themselves into specific task corps.
i predict that if the current trend goes unchecked we will see the fall of every large alliance not because the alliance itself failed but because the game mechanics could lead nowhere else. once Xetic has fallen/disbanded/reverted to pre-exodus alliance system Stain will start to feel the pressure more... and so on down the line.
the current alliance system is a nice idea however it leaves little room to grow as most corps add new players that will naturally be in empire space durring their early stages. these players and the people that help support the POS's are easy targets for these alliance wars and it is unrealistic to have a fleet to support every players early exploration in the world of eve. it can also not be expected that these new players move to 0.0 space where they can accomplish little to nothing solo or in a support role.
please continue to add constructive posts, i did not mean this thread to be a place for flames to spill over onto.
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Sybylle
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Posted - 2005.03.18 11:09:00 -
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Problems :
-->Alliance claiming doesn't work --> controlling space and defining it is almost impossible due to lack of tools --> 0.0 is too limited, due to partial POS implementation --> empire upgrades tend to make 0.0 only usefull for rare minerals and some big spawns (I say big, not valuable...Missioning for lvl4 is valuable)
What worries me and others is :
Pre-exodus : everything tends to make people move to 0.0, and POS were suppose to give 0.0 a boost in order to make Alliances/Corporations more independent and self-sufficient
Post-exodus : you can see POS everywhere in empire also, wars that previously use to be part of the fun in 0.0 have moved to empire......
Humm...What happened? Did the old dev team has been podded without clone to change everything and lead to this situation? What about the new clones?
Facts are : --> POS cost a lot, have some utility but aren't completed --> War declaration are borked, or we aren't using it as the dev were thinking --> Common tasks cannot be formed in 0.0 (research, insurance, missioning)
Frankly I don't know how they will get us out of there... War are a part of the game as alliances are. I don't care being in war. What I want to know is :
What's the point in using a long-awaited-system of alliance implemented recently, wich should have given us some independance, if the alliance system has as only purpose the ability to be declared war on all its members at once?
For me it means :
-Form an alliance -Try to build what the devs are giving us -Be declare war by any corporation at anytime -Be shoot from everywhere for any reason (even just for fun) -Having no possibility to defend your memeber in Empire, unless leaving all activity in 0.0
So my suggestion :
Throw 0.0 and call it empire... (\_/) (O.o) (> <)=Oveur (proof) "Jumping 50 systems I can like, have sex 150 times during that period" |
Ja'kar
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Posted - 2005.03.18 11:51:00 -
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War should always be there but it should be in the right places.
Think honestly about it.
Why are pirates not in 0.0-0.4 like in the old day in the systems where there is supposed to be risk and where players know CONCORD is not there to protect them? I have not been held up and robbed for over a year now when the good old Space Invaders calmly trapped me ship and let me go for a ransom.
Why are pirates instead declaring legal wars in empire against large industrial bases?
Why don't these pirate come out to 0.0 where they should be?
The alliance system is totally borked. It allows CONCORD sanction piracy in empire space at very low cost.
Pirates (or whatever label u wish to apply) hunt for isk- u claim a huge part of eve says itĘs urs and we all have to live with it- well this game is pvp- u wanna quit go- u donĘt wanna fight stay in npc corp. and mine all day- u wanna steal large parts of eve- defend them and stop crying about itą
U know I donĘt care if u choose to play eve by forming big alliances, it makes for good reading, and sometimes fun in game, but cĘmon u canĘt blame ppl for robbing, ransoming or just killing u.
And who says pirates should be in 0.0 where does it say thatą
JAK
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