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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2012.10.10 19:27:00 -
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The double bubble interdictor (an interdictor, typically Heretic or Sabre, fit with two interdiction sphere launchers) is an integral part of the small gang null-sec scene. It serves as a way to quickly temporarily "shut down" a jump gate by bubbling it on both sides. This can be done for escape, trapping, or simply forcing a fight. Thus, in small gangs a single interdictor could do this. Of course, it has its drawbacks, as the interdictor becomes far less tanky, and unable to do damage. Larger fleets can simply use multiple interdictors to circumvent this loss.
Under current mechanics, this is possible because launching a bubble does not count as aggression. An interdictor can bubble up, then jump and activate its other bubble. This can be countered by a present enemy by trying to warp off, which aggresses the dictor. This sort of balancing mechanic requires input and reaction time from both sides, and is fine as is.
Under the proposed Crimewatch changes, launching a bubble causes a weapons flag. This means the interdictor cannot jump for 60 seconds.
This change nerfs the ability of small gangs to control gates, the chokepoints to 0.0 PvP, and is an effective nod from CCP to blobs who can afford to have two interdictor pilots.
tl;dr: Yet another nerf to small gang PvP. No biggie.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2012.10.10 19:30:00 -
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Bubbling was always meant to cause aggression for the interdictor.
Edit: also you are really reaching to try and claim this fix hurts small gang pvp exclusively.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
1254
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Posted - 2012.10.10 19:31:00 -
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one for a small gang. two only for blobs. is that right? |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
358
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Posted - 2012.10.10 19:31:00 -
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Um... I thought they already changed this mechanic such that launching a bubble causes aggression. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2678
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Posted - 2012.10.10 19:32:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Bubbling was always meant to cause aggression for the interdictor.
Draws very much aggression when the interdictor panics and drops the bubble around it's own fleet "A genius throws a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that he's going to die choking in a maze of smoke and flame. A hero drinks a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that if he does a split in midair, he can hit twice as many zombies per kick. Drunk hero wins again, wusses." ~Cracked.com |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
175
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Posted - 2012.10.10 19:33:00 -
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Double bubblers were meant to drop one bubble to catch them on jump in...then the dictor would burn out to the ship and drop another bubble to catch the pod who managed to get outside the bubble. Keeping light dictors in the fight as it should be +1 CCP. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1780
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Posted - 2012.10.10 19:33:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Bubbling was always meant to cause aggression for the interdictor.. Is there some source on this or is this another "interesting emergent mechanic" that is being removed for being too interesting, like ejecting from T3s? Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
346
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Posted - 2012.10.10 19:33:00 -
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Bubble + jump was fixed like 3 years ago and through some bug was reenabled. So they are fixing it again. I believe CCPs position is that a ship not in system should not be tackling enemies. Double bubble is still useful on dictors since it is so easy to mwd out of bubbles.
Speaking of dictors I would really like some new bubbles for dictors to play with. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
723
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Posted - 2012.10.10 19:41:00 -
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Quote: Double Bubble Interdictors Almost Shakespearean... Almost... Nothing Found |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1780
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Posted - 2012.10.10 19:41:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Um... I thought they already changed this mechanic such that launching a bubble causes aggression. Someone trying to warp while in a bubble causes aggression. The actual act of launching it does not. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
234
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Posted - 2012.10.10 19:43:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Um... I thought they already changed this mechanic such that launching a bubble causes aggression.
Yep, it happened last year.
No idea wtf the OP is on about frankly. |
Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
234
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Posted - 2012.10.10 19:44:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Um... I thought they already changed this mechanic such that launching a bubble causes aggression. Someone trying to warp while in a bubble causes aggression. The actual act of launching it does not.
Nope. Launching the bubble causes gate aggression and has done since last year. Edit - if it currently doesn't then that is not by design, its a bug. |
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9 Quantum Cafe
104
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Posted - 2012.10.10 19:53:00 -
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How is this a nerf. All values are the same, it is just the consequences that are different Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
927
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Posted - 2012.10.10 20:08:00 -
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It was only recently that dictors were allowed to jump immediately after launching a bubble. I think this is frankly a dumb mechanic. If you want to bubble both sides, get two dictors. That really shouldn't be difficult. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Varesk
Origin. Black Legion.
172
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Posted - 2012.10.10 20:16:00 -
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I am all for this change. Launching a Bubble should give the pilot aggression. Its not a nerf to small gang PVP. Its fixing a broken game mechanic that should have never been "unfixed' to begin with. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
652
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Posted - 2012.10.10 20:45:00 -
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Bring a second interdictor. Problem solved. |
Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
315
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Posted - 2012.10.10 20:48:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Quote: Double Bubble Interdictors Almost Shakespearean... Almost... In OZ, a Double Bubble is Highway Patrol.
Does he want Concord in 0.0? I lost countless ships and millions of isk on gank attempts. I did not blame CCP, Concord or the miner. I blamed me for bothering. I made more money.......... mining.
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Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
644
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Posted - 2012.10.10 21:04:00 -
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This was meant to be introduced several patches ago but CCP didnt do it properly, now theyre fixing it. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
615
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Posted - 2012.10.10 21:14:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Bubbling was always meant to cause aggression for the interdictor.. Is there some source on this or is this another "interesting emergent mechanic" that is being removed for being too interesting, like ejecting from T3s?
Ejecting from a ship is happening to prevent Saving your ship by scooping it into an Orca/Carrier SMA to save it. A Drawback is the can't eject from t3's.... which is not really a drawback since the skill-loss of t3's was intended all along.
Source:
CCP Masterplan wrote: This is not just oddly intentional, it is very intentional. If we didn't want to penalise T3 death, we simply wouldn't have the skillpoint-loss mechanic in the first place
The changes to dictors are sad, but according to CCP, dropping a bubble was always meant to cause aggression.
Source:
CCP Masterplan wrote:Absocold wrote:Giving light interdictors a 'W' flag just for activating an interdiction sphere launcher will make them unable to jump through a gate after doing so. Dics are supposed to be able to jump after launching a bubble as long as no one tries to warp in it, this was broken for a while and was only recently fixed, you're about to break it again. Nope. It was always intended to work this way, but never did. Then it got fixed so that it would prevent you from jumping after launching. Then it got broken again recently.
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Andrea Skye
JORP Co.
5
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Posted - 2012.10.10 21:27:00 -
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Not such a big deal. I live for small gang pvp, but this change doesnt seem to bad.
You get aggression from pointing someone, so why not aqgression for bubbling them? its basically the same thing. |
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usrevenge
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2012.10.10 23:36:00 -
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anchor a bubble on one side if you are that desperate. |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
160
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Posted - 2012.10.11 00:04:00 -
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Double bubble was never meant to be profitable. |
Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
347
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Posted - 2012.10.11 00:08:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:one for a small gang. two only for blobs. is that right?
Well, I've never seen more than one in any gang anyway, so he's got credibility. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1782
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Posted - 2012.10.11 00:18:00 -
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It has always been my opinion that a bubble SHOULD cause aggression for the dictor that dropped it. It has always been an irritation to me that a ship is able to perform it's function in a fleet and then become completely immune to PVP by simply warping away and staying out of the fight. Same goes for fleet boosters. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
359
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Posted - 2012.10.11 00:21:00 -
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Don't real men just fly triple bubble flycatchers anyways? |
Cede Forster
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
112
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Posted - 2012.10.11 04:25:00 -
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Oh, i am sorry to hear about this. Let me tell you about my new foundation "Support for people who care about small gang PVP and whine about their hardship on GD".
Unfortunately we can not provide comfort to you for the time being, since you are not a certified donor. If you are actually looking for help and comfort in this matter, feel free to make a small contribution to this worthy cause (500 million upwards). Of course you can always try to receive some comfort by posting on GD, however recent study shows that the 9 out of 10 people who whine on GD about their hardship are not happy with the result.
Alternatively, you could just ... you know - get over it already or something |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1800
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Posted - 2012.10.11 05:06:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Double bubblers were meant to drop one bubble to catch them on jump in...then the dictor would burn out to the ship and drop another bubble to catch the pod who managed to get outside the bubble. Keeping light dictors in the fight as it should be +1 CCP.
Yeah this "defensive" role as described for dictors as the OP puts it strikes me as a little fishy.
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2012.10.11 05:52:00 -
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CCP Masterplan wrote:This is not just oddly intentional, it is very intentional. If we didn't want to penalise T3 death, we simply wouldn't have the skillpoint-loss mechanic in the first place And I though it was meant to make it more realistic to get T3 as a trophy. After all, it was meant to be cutting-edge tech, makes sense if someone wants to take it intact (not to mention typically expencive fittings)
OT: I think moving to a WH will allow you to circumvent this inconvenience |
EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
281
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Posted - 2012.10.11 06:16:00 -
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This is actually a blobby large fleet PvP nerf and OP should be thankful |
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