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Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.10.11 14:52:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Looks really cool! Very ambitious project, and the ever-vaunted Newtonian physics. I'm very interested to see what a sandbox MMO with a single player mode looks like.
That's either genuine, or a very clever answer in which case you tell everyone you look forward to seeing their progress (but not necessarily success) and their project is very ambitious (read: unrealistic) without saying so.
Either way I don't think it's an EVE killer. We're talking 3 years of production until its on the market, two at the least.
I'm hoping in 2 years time we're paying an MMO with:
- A Low Sec you want to live in and answer to no-one but yourself
- A Null Sec you want to fight in with real "farms and fields" of player empires, where the REAL money but also the real losses in the game are
- A High Sec where the interaction shy and new players can roam safely as long as they don't REALLY annoy someone, but inevitably makes less money then low sec and null.
- A list of ships that where not a single ship is commented on saying "this ship is pointless. Do not fly"
- A fully working bounty and crimewatch system that allows both criminals and those who hunt criminals to do what they want and have fun
- Players being able to walk around space stations, interact meaningfully with each other, then jump in their spaceships together
- Players exploring ruins with each other to find new and exciting materials in space ruins
- Full interaction with the DUST 514 game with EVE players ferrying armies around the galaxy
I'll be honest, all that stuff sounds awesome and I think it would blow every other game out of the water. All this real life physics stuff and massive ships is cool and all, but by the time it's out I'm hoping EVE is the worlds best sci-fi simulator.
If not I'll unsub my 40 accounts and you'll be sorry etc etc |
Astenion
Infinite Potential
167
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Posted - 2012.10.11 16:41:00 -
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Eve isn't a simulator, though. It may be the world's best Sci-Fi MMO (or MMO period), but it's not a simulator and never aspired to be.
The whole attraction to this new MMO is that it WILL be a simulator, a Wing Commander MMO pretty much.
I don't think it will kill Eve per se, I was just being humorous. They're two completely different games with different play styles. If people leave this game for that one then it's because they want a different play style, not because Chris has created a better MMO. |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
857
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Posted - 2012.10.11 17:05:00 -
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Wow, this really looks good. The Privateer and Freelancer games were favorites of mine back in the day. I'll be giving this one a chance. |
Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2012.10.11 18:23:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:I'm very skeptical of any MMO that is F2P or single payment(like GW2). That's B2P (buy to play) which is a big improvement over f2p. EVE is using a quasi-b2p system with PLEX. - I'm assuming there will be quite a bit of off-line play, instancing and micro transactions as they plan to make content updates incremental rather than full expansions at cost. Still... it's a feasible business model, better than the likelihood of a surviving f2p venture as those inevitably fail. Also, this is an indie project, so I won't knock it; I've been saying for years indie is the future of good mmo's for us hardcore players. I've heard about this in past months, good to see they are making progress. Hopefully it'll be very unlike EVE, a companion rather than a competitor. Will be following.
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Something Random
The Barrow Boys
181
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Posted - 2012.10.11 23:00:00 -
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Personally i think Eve has this genre bagged.
I also think any developer looking at the genre knows that too, which kinda explains why they go for twitch/cockpit as its the only '*****' in the eve armor.
Always open to a new space game though - and space 'sims' need a really good twitch with some longevity to its purpose. Perhaps this man is the one to deliver, after all the credentials are awesome.
But i dont think CCP need worry - and it seems they wont. "caught on fire a little bit, just a little." "Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangsn++ all here!" |
Taedrin
Virtues Corporation Yulai Federation
439
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Posted - 2012.10.12 04:53:00 -
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He makes the claim that this is only possible because of Moore's Law.
Unfortunately, the only thing that Moore's Law has done for us is increase the number of execution units on a single CPU die. I sure hope that this guy is great at concurrent and/or parallel programming. |
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
176
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Posted - 2012.10.12 05:28:00 -
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I'm pretty excited. He doesn't even have to try too hard on the graphics, just do what JGE and BP failed to do. |
Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2012.10.12 05:50:00 -
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Astenion wrote:http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/10/wing-commanders-chris-roberts-returns-to-gaming-with-ambitious-mmo/
I doubt it will kill off EVE. It may actually be the first game to make a dent though.
However, newtonian physics, twitch combat AND heavy economy? This is the nichiest of niche games - This is why i don't think it will kill of EVE, since it will be hellishly difficult to get into it. Any twitch based game will lose it's ability to retain new players very quickly over time, whereas a 'slow' MMO like EVE is far less punishing to get into later on. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1802
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Posted - 2012.10.12 07:20:00 -
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Quote:Star Citizen will focus on the dynamic of "citizenship," which has to be earned through civic duty or military service in the game.
Ah the perfect conditioning game for the society that is always on the march.
Quote: Professor Chinard, in his admirable biographical study of John Adams, has called attention to Chevalier's observation that the American people have "the morale of an army on the march." The more one thinks of this, the more clearly one sees how little there is in what our publicists are fond of calling "the American psychology" that it does not exactly account for; and it exactly accounts for the trait that we are considering. An army on the march has no philosophy; it views itself as a creature of the moment. It does not rationalize conduct except in terms of an immediate end. As Tennyson observed, there is a pretty strict official understanding against its doing so; "theirs not to reason why." Emotionalizing conduct is another matter, and the more of it the better; it is encouraged by a whole elaborate paraphernalia of showy etiquette, flags, music, uniforms, decorations, and the careful cultivation of a very special sort of camaraderie. In every relation to "the reason of the thing," however GÇö in the ability and eagerness, as Plato puts it, "to see things as they are" GÇö the mentality of an army on the march is merely so much delayed adolescence; it remains persistently, incorrigibly, and notoriously infantile.
And this MMO will promote that? Yeah I would check and see where his funding comes from, places like the Rand corp and PNAC for starters.
Sorry, I'll stick with the anarchy of EvE online, coming from the only country that arrests banksters and ousts the politicians bought by them.
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Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
147
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:42:00 -
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If it has space combat with proper physics, I am interested. I am tired of all this submarines in water, but in space bullshit :)
Now, EVE is a great game, it has depth and an involvement no other game has, far beyond just combat and grinding and what the standard fantasy MMO boasts about having. It is the only MMO actually focusing on player interaction. You know, what an MMO should do.
If this new game will be something like EVE...? I kind of doubt they will take that risk, but for a one time fee and proper space combat? I am in, at least for a while. Heck, I'd like just a single player game with proper physics for a change. |
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1284
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Posted - 2012.10.12 13:02:00 -
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There's at least one more year until it gets launched, if it does not get delayed, and it's very likely it will be delayed. Then you have at least another year until it gets good enough to really directly compete. So that's 2, probably 3 years before CCP has to ramp up the worry engine.
Still, having SOME degree of possibly serious competition would be a GOOD thing for EVE, and considering I sort of like the whole Wing Commander stuff, especially with a GW-like (pay game, play forever single player, multiplayer as much as servers are up or you're willing to host your own server) kind of model, heck, why not. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T T2 BPO poll: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114789 Buying this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=147098 |
Medarr
ZeroSec Dragon Swarm Dynasty
45
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Posted - 2012.10.12 13:51:00 -
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Akita T wrote:There's at least one more year until it gets launched, if it does not get delayed, and it's very likely it will be delayed. Then you have at least another year until it gets good enough to really directly compete. So that's 2, probably 3 years before CCP has to ramp up the worry engine.
Still, having SOME degree of possibly serious competition would be a GOOD thing for EVE, and considering I sort of like the whole Wing Commander stuff, especially with a GW-like (pay game, play forever single player, multiplayer as much as servers are up or you're willing to host your own server) kind of model, heck, why not.
Eh no.. its going to be a 2 year dev cycle with alpha and beta access for early adopters. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1284
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Posted - 2012.10.12 16:09:00 -
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Medarr wrote:it's going to be a 2 year dev cycle with alpha and beta access for early adopters. Pretty much the same thing, more or less. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T T2 BPO poll: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114789 Buying this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=147098 |
Medarr
ZeroSec Dragon Swarm Dynasty
45
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Posted - 2012.10.12 17:02:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Medarr wrote:it's going to be a 2 year dev cycle with alpha and beta access for early adopters. Pretty much the same thing, more or less, wouldn't you say so ?
Nevermind me... trying to get sober... |
Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2012.10.12 20:42:00 -
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I think the only real problem here that could surface is that this could close the new player spigot down to a trickle for EVE, at least for a time. But then over time, due to that, PLEX may sky rocket higher than it probably will already be at at that point in a couple years (if trends continue). New players now tend to see PLEX as an incentive to start playing, PLEXing later, but with PLEX being maybe 1b+ at that point, it may be seen as too expensive to new players to even consider using at a later time.
I think a number of things could happen at that point on CCP's part. Lower subscription fees? Greater discount on 1yr subs? Or bad, like more big easy ISK spigots to drive the PLEX market (as they seem to be doing already). Or maybe then CCP may just not care about growing EVE while they gear up WoD for launch. heh or maybe all of the above and more. That's if the game doesn't flop, anyway. |
Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.12 22:07:00 -
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There is no "EVE killer." There can be other internet spaceship games, but there will never be another EVE. Nobody else has the brains and guts to do anything like EVE. |
Astenion
Infinite Potential
167
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Posted - 2012.10.14 13:20:00 -
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So you obviously have no idea who Chris Roberts is, then?
I don't think it will replace Eve...no way. Eve will always be so much more complex than other MMOs.
I don't think it's going for that market, either. It's a simulator and an MMO, but it's more of a simulator. It's like MS Flight Simulator on servers with hundreds of thousands of people playing at the same time; it's an MMO only in the strictest sense. The draw isn't that it's an MMO, but rather that it's more like Wing Commander.
It's not going to replace Eve because it's a completely different type of game. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
102
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Posted - 2012.10.14 13:47:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:There is no "EVE killer." There can be other internet spaceship games, but there will never be another EVE. Nobody else has the brains and guts to do anything like EVE.
It doesn't need to be EvE it need to be better than it,and i don't think it isn't possible...in any way shame that there is no real competition to eve out there, we would have better product than we have now.
Because u can develop so much garbage that is useless before the other guy roflstomp you.
"it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again" |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2797
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Posted - 2012.10.14 16:22:00 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:There is no "EVE killer." There can be other internet spaceship games, but there will never be another EVE. Nobody else has the brains and guts to do anything like EVE. It doesn't need to be EvE it need to be better than it,and i don't think it isn't possible...in any way shame that there is no real competition to eve out there, we would have better product than we have now. Because u can develop so much garbage that is useless before the other guy roflstomp you.
You can't really roflstomp an existing MMO with a new one. History has shown us, that reality just doesn't work that way and the reason for that is really simple. Every developer is more or less bound by the same limitations. Meaning you can develop an entirely new type of game or try to alter an existing design. A new type of game can be great, but it isn't the same as the old ones, so it's just another name in a long list of great games. We get these on a constant basis and they don't roflstomp anything. They either suck or shine. Either way things move on without much affect to the existing games.
Altering existing designs runs to the problem, that the same limitations apply to the new game too, that apply to old ones. The developers of existing games aren't fools. They've thinked about these issues, have worked on them for years and have access to the same tech as the new guys. If there was an easy way to better the games without making painful sacrifices, it would have been done already. A new MMO can make meaningful changes to an old formula, but it always comes at a cost in other areas. You just can't improve on everything without making sacrifices elsewhere.
More importantly the nature of MMOs makes them very hard to be taken down by an alteration of the same existing design. The reason for that is, that MMOs are constantly being developed and developing a competative MMO takes a lot of time and resources. It'll take 3-4 years minimum with tens of millions being invested. During that time the existing MMOs will also see constant development and resources being invested in them. The companies making them will also have years of additional actual development and game managing experience under their belt. It's a constantly moving goalpost, that the new guys have to beat, with likely less experienced workers and less resources. Managing to roflstomp an existing MMO maker in their own game is almost an impossible feat to achieve and will be catastrophic for you if you fail at it. Then you've wasted your time making a bad copy of an already existing game, so you'll be the one getting roflstomped.
All that said I think the game can be a great game with a unique mix of gameplay elements, that make it a huge hit. At worst it's propably a good space combat simulator you can play on the side. It's just that all I've heard so far is a pretty laughable sales pitch from an old legend, that shows little, but promises everything in order to get the funding for it's making secured. I think WC was his one big success in gaming and he killed it himself with the god awful film adaptation. His games afterwards have been good to decent, but even in the space combat simulation -genre others have delivered games just as good and even better than he ever did IMO. |
Bane Necran
523
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Posted - 2012.10.14 17:01:00 -
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I don't see anything about griefing or otherwise making it easy to victimize other players, so they aren't direct threats to EVE.
Although those of us who've been wishing EVE was so much more could be lured away. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham
Totally quitting this time for sure, maybe. |
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Brannsy
Sathainn Braithrean Cartel Apocalypse Now.
31
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Posted - 2012.10.15 06:53:00 -
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I really don't see this having much of an impact on EVE, had he been smart he would have talked specifically about how the Crime and Justice system was planned to work, as well as really how much freedom the players were going to have. That was really....sort of off putting as I do not know if it will be as open ended as EVE or if it will be open ended in the sense that you can fly around freely but all the in-game items are sold by NPC with no players doing any real building or driving of the in-game economy. Also, player controlled space and how the PVP system would work. Also they mentioned different classes of ships but if it's a Black Prophecy small ship fest with no player controlled Cruisers/Battleships/Carriers/ect I'm pretty much automatically disinterested.
Also asking for so much money before you have anything to really show for it kind of set off my scam radar but that is another story. (Also could have has something to do with the over grandiose vision/pitch they put out there) |
Astenion
Infinite Potential
167
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Posted - 2012.10.15 22:07:00 -
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A scam? Again, you obviously have no idea who Chris Roberts is. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2758
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Posted - 2012.10.15 23:19:00 -
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Astenion wrote:A scam? Again, you obviously have no idea who Chris Roberts is.
Thanks to google I do now "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
96
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Posted - 2012.10.16 04:37:00 -
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Brannsy wrote:
Also asking for so much money before you have anything to really show for it kind of set off my scam radar but that is another story.
err.. did you not watch the video with him playing the game? Looked good to me... you could even see your character flying the ship.
No, it wasn't vendetta online 2 if that was going to be the reply ;) I think Vendetta has more to fear than EVE does, as Vendetta is more like WC, as this is. |
Brannsy
Sathainn Braithrean Cartel Apocalypse Now.
31
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Posted - 2012.10.16 05:31:00 -
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Astenion wrote:A scam? Again, you obviously have no idea who Chris Roberts is.
I don't care who he is, I know his game are famous but that is about it. I simply did not like how he presented himself in his video. More mannerisms that anything, they simply struck me as odd. That's not to mention they hinged things like community updates on how much cash they brought in during the crowd funding stage, if you really cared about the community you were trying to create regular updates showing off the game and giving regular status updates is simply something you do no matter what.
Quote:err.. did you not watch the video with him playing the game? Looked good to me... you could even see your character flying the ship.
Anyone can whip up a tiny trial area and start asking for cash. |
Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
96
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Posted - 2012.10.16 06:50:00 -
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Brannsy wrote:Anyone can whip up a tiny trial area and start asking for cash. It's a year of development into that engine, you can't just "whip up" a working mmo engine and tailored for space combat + walking around in stations + character cockpits. He's got far more going on there than Incarna had. Look how much time and effort CCP took just to bring us CQ, and this done by a smaller team in just a year. Legit. imo he'll get alpha testing next year like he said. Though that's not hard to do, I've been involved in a number of private alphas, it's the content and polishing that takes time.
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Astenion
Infinite Potential
167
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Posted - 2012.10.18 01:53:00 -
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Yeah, he only produced films like Lord of War and created the biggest spaceship computer game ever. No reason to take him at his word. It's a much better idea to be paranoid of someone because they're talking in front of a blue screen (which was done quite well, tbh). |
digitalwanderer
DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2012.11.10 18:26:00 -
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They're about to hit 3.2 million $ wich will add more content( flyable ships, storyline, more systems, more missions), but really want to hit the 4 million mark by the end of the pledge( in 9 days), so they can also release mod tools for users to create their own content if they want.
Either way, the game is getting made as they easily exceeded the minimum 2 million mark they needed. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
636
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Posted - 2012.11.11 00:17:00 -
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Chris Roberts + Wing Commander + Bigger.
Signed up and bumped him some cash.
/crosses fingers
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |
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