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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.10.11 20:25:00 -
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Just out of interest, where do you get the 30 day thing from ?
We got the impression that once the kill-right has been achieved, then it's satisfied for everyone and goes away ? ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.10.11 20:33:00 -
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Or he could undock in a shuttle and get it done with ?
Don't get me wrong, as a player I can see issues combining this with front loading kill rights and all that; but I don't think this particular part is as bad as you're saying. Again that's just my player opinion.
I kind of agree with Surfin's; Piracy potential is *awesome* ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.10.11 20:37:00 -
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Not at all, I'm saying that if it only takes one shot to get a kill right against me, I can make sure I get plenty of fights in hubs. ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.10.11 20:44:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: edit: Arguing with ISDs is pointless. They are literally hired to act as CCP heralds. We can get a full-fledged pvp flag tomorrow, and they'll go off about how they have so many more pvp opportunities.
If you want a debate then be civil, my position in ISD is entirely unrelated to my opinion as a 2003 player.
ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.10.11 20:47:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:ISD Suvetar wrote:Not at all, I'm saying that if it only takes one shot to get a kill right against me, I can make sure I get plenty of fights in hubs. It's not a fight when you have a suspect flag. Let me know how many kills you get in Jita while being a suspect. All of them
Every time I see those shades I just want to say:
YEAAAAAHHHHHH ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.10.11 20:50:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: It's not a fight when you have a suspect flag. Let me know how many kills you get in Jita while being a suspect.
Are you saying that you lose every fight where you get shot first ? ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.10.11 23:20:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:ISD Suvetar wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: edit: Arguing with ISDs is pointless. They are literally hired to act as CCP heralds. We can get a full-fledged pvp flag tomorrow, and they'll go off about how they have so many more pvp opportunities.
If you want a debate then be civil, my position in ISD is entirely unrelated to my opinion as a 2003 player. Then perhaps you should behave like a professional and stop posting with an ISD character. Oh wait I forgot you guys aren't professionals.
If you have an issue with the way that the ISD are doing things, please feel free to report or petition what they have said. Thank you. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Lt. Commander Community Communication Liasions (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.10.11 23:53:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:That's just asking for a ban, you know rookie systems are like wildlife reserves, and rookies are a protected species, no hunting allowed. They shot first. I was just passing through on my way to being a good EVE citizen in Motsu.
All absolute seriousness, I urge you not to test the GMs on this point ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.10.12 00:32:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote: Doesn't matter. We have an official rep from CCP (unpaid but still) basically implying we can't shoot noobs if we're engaged by them in high-sec rookie systems.
So I want to know, legitimately, do we file a petition instead of shooting back or what?
It's interesting you ask; this is a point it that I will raise with my seniors at CCP.
In the meantime, this article states at the bottom :
Evelopedia rookie systems wrote: Warning: Attempting to trick new players in to situations where you can fire on them freely, such as can flipping them, in these systems is prohibited.
If you've got one of these new Kill Right on you, then I don't know how the GMs will interpret this. I will ask about this and feedback whatever I can.
I'll give you my gut feeling however, just to be absolutely clear *this is not a statement of policy and I may be completely wrong*; If you go to a rookie system and act in a way that looks like you're baiting new players to the GMs, you may get in trouble.
This is why I said not to test the GMs on this point. The correct action is to ask about this edge-case in the official comments thread.
I hope this helps.
If or when this change occurs and it's not been clarified by then, ask a GM via the petition system. They would rather help you to avoid breaking the rules, rather than punishing you for doing it accidentally. Likewise, CCL don't wish for anyone to get into trouble, hence my reason for posting that comment in the first place.
Lastly, I just want to re-clarify something here; this change is not live and it's still subject to change in any or all aspects. Don't get bent up in shape about it, use the official thread to make your comments and concerns apparent. I can assure you that someone at CCP will read your comment if it's posted there. ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.10.12 21:30:00 -
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Right, I have cleaned this thread of a lot of troll, flame and personal attack posts. Clearly this subject is of great interest to people, and seeing decent discussions going on is always a great thing.
What isn't great is when people have to resort to insults, foul language and personal attacks aimed both at other players and members of staff. This kind of behaviour won't be tolerated, it is against the forum rules and serves no purpose other than to derail and destroy good conversation. So please, in future, post sensibly - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.15 10:48:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:ISD Suvetar wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:That's just asking for a ban, you know rookie systems are like wildlife reserves, and rookies are a protected species, no hunting allowed. They shot first. I was just passing through on my way to being a good EVE citizen in Motsu. All absolute seriousness, I urge you not to test the GMs on this point So in other words if you pass through a rookie system and get engaged by noobs, petition it and don't shoot back? I'm just looking for clarification, here. Not to sound mean, but between the changes and the enforcement of said changes, they don't really know what they're doing. I can construct these tactics in such a manner that they'll have to invent a reason to punish me for something entirely arbitrary. Which is in fact what I'm doing right now.
I know I am very late to the party here, but I read this bit of conversation and I am going to clarify.
If you are attacked you can fight back, of course.
BUT, if you try and game the system to trick rookies into attacking you first (by, for example, having your alt activate the kill right on you right when you happen to sit at the undock of a rookie station(and yes, we can see that sort of thing) ) you are being the type of person that we give free vacations to. In all seriousness, do NOT try and game the system to go after rookies. We do not care how well you argue or how well your internet lawyering skills are. We do NOT allow this and the spirit of this principle trumps any and all other rules about game play we have. If you do this and your argument is "but this rule or this mechanic states..." then stop right there and do not bother; we WILL hammer down on that. No exceptions. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.15 15:20:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:BUT, if you try and game the system to trick rookies into attacking you first (by, for example, having your alt activate the kill right on you right when you happen to sit at the undock of a rookie station(and yes, we can see that sort of thing) ) you are being the type of person that we give free vacations to. In all seriousness, do NOT try and game the system to go after rookies. We do not care how well you argue or how well your internet lawyering skills are. We do NOT allow this and the spirit of this principle trumps any and all other rules about game play we have. If you do this and your argument is "but this rule or this mechanic states..." then stop right there and do not bother; we WILL hammer down on that. No exceptions. Thx for this clarification GM Homonoia. Seems some people around are by far more interested on how to abuse rules to engage rookies than actually profit from this new awesome system you guys work on to actually get more pvp. Would like your confirmation on my readings, you are actually creating more pvp opportunities and making high sec less safer. Am I right?
That is something you would have to ask a game designer as game masters do not determine what will be put into the game or why. As another GM put it; if game design wants to add rusty bikes to the game we will support it, as long as we get logs stating how much rust is on the bike at any point in time and whose pants it manages to stain. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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