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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1570
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Posted - 2012.10.13 00:10:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:That's a fallacy. High-sec accounts for over two-thirds of the game's entire population, and also has the highest concentration of players in the game. And since null sucks dicks to actually live in (thanks ccp for still not focusing on null you're a dear *mwah*), a large portion of the hisec population is also nullsec alts. Nullsec, let's blob up:ONLINE Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Lord Fudo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.10.13 00:26:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Lord Fudo wrote:I love when people cry about High-Security Space being too High-Security, and/or becoming more secure. If you don't like it, quit the game, or go kill in less secure areas of space. That's why there's less security in Low-Security space and none in Null-Security space. There's also Wormhole space.
There's 3 vast areas of the game where you're practically free to kill as much as you'd like without many consequences. Yet, people whine and complain that it's becoming harder and harder to kill in a highly secure area of the game. That's a fallacy. High-sec accounts for over two-thirds of the game's entire population, and also has the highest concentration of players in the game. The problem with null/low is that there isn't a whole lot to kill there. Wormholes, while highly-interesting, don't provide the amount of activity most people seek. I've done wormhole stuff (and own two of them) since the week they came out, but unfortunately, it's a secondary activity for pvpers. I really appreciate you making the ages-old "high-sec should be for bears" argument and trying to outsource all dangerous elements to other areas of space for your own benefit, but you should really know what you're talking about before you make an attempt at something like this.
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Lord Fudo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.10.13 00:32:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Lord Fudo wrote:I love when people cry about High-Security Space being too High-Security, and/or becoming more secure. If you don't like it, quit the game, or go kill in less secure areas of space. That's why there's less security in Low-Security space and none in Null-Security space. There's also Wormhole space.
There's 3 vast areas of the game where you're practically free to kill as much as you'd like without many consequences. Yet, people whine and complain that it's becoming harder and harder to kill in a highly secure area of the game. That's a fallacy. High-sec accounts for over two-thirds of the game's entire population, and also has the highest concentration of players in the game. The problem with null/low is that there isn't a whole lot to kill there. Wormholes, while highly-interesting, don't provide the amount of activity most people seek. I've done wormhole stuff (and own two of them) since the week they came out, but unfortunately, it's a secondary activity for pvpers. I really appreciate you making the ages-old "high-sec should be for bears" argument and trying to outsource all dangerous elements to other areas of space for your own benefit, but you should really know what you're talking about before you make an attempt at something like this.
I understand. You're just upset that your killboard losses will go up after the change. Those that you kill, who receive a kill-right against you, are going to turn that kill-right lose so that everyone in highsec and gang up on you. I completely understand.
By the way, there's plenty of pvp outside of highsec. You just have to not be so lazy and go out there. Kil2 does it. He goes out there and get plenty of good fights. I dont see him crying about highsec. Be like Kil2, go find fights. Stop crying to CCP to make it easier for you to kill softer targets in highsec space. |
Ohh Yeah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
247
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Posted - 2012.10.13 00:33:00 -
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Andski wrote:These are ~new game enhancements~ don't you know?
OP made Star Wars analogies
I see what you did there
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Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
161
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Posted - 2012.10.13 00:34:00 -
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Having operated as -10 in high sec in the past I'm pretty confident in my abilities to only be available for others to shoot when I choose, so going FFA for the epic crime of stealing (lol) doesn't bother me much. It almost seems interesting. I can tell you now, no one will ever spring a kill rights FFA "lol trap" on me in high sec either. Thanks to loop holes already presented and the fact I won't be herpa derping around in a orca (and without rr alts, yes plural) but what does annoy me immensely is the devaluation of the contract killer/bounty hunter profession.
I was very much looking forward to transferable kill rights in the form of exclusive rights. You buy the kill rights and you have the license to go hunt the dude. Way to go completely ruining a possibly very interesting way to play the game for those who like the whole hunter stalker style. |
Karrl Tian
Star-Trackers
5
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Posted - 2012.10.13 00:39:00 -
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Ludi Burek wrote:Way to go completely ruining a possibly very interesting way to play the game for those who like the whole hunter stalker style.
EVE's hunting design tends to fall more towards the deer stand imo. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1571
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Posted - 2012.10.13 00:42:00 -
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Karrl Tian wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:Way to go completely ruining a possibly very interesting way to play the game for those who like the whole hunter stalker style. EVE's hunting design tends to fall more towards the deer stand imo. Deer can run pretty fast.
Freighters, though... they need some help. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1157
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Posted - 2012.10.13 00:49:00 -
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Lord Fudo wrote:I understand. You're just upset that your killboard losses will go up after the change. Those that you kill, who receive a kill-right against you, are going to turn that kill-right lose so that everyone in highsec and gang up on you. I completely understand. Nothing I do in high-sec will result in the acquisition of kill rights by others. About 80% of my kills are via wars, and the other 20% through aggro flags, such an engaging people who shoot me when I provide RR to someone. So how are my killboard losses going to go up after the change? Please tell me how people I kill will receive kill rights against me. I really want to know. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1157
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Posted - 2012.10.13 00:54:00 -
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Ludi Burek wrote:...but what does annoy me immensely is the devaluation of the contract killer/bounty hunter profession.
I was very much looking forward to transferable kill rights in the form of exclusive rights. You buy the kill rights and you have the license to go hunt the dude. Way to go completely ruining a possibly very interesting way to play the game for those who like the whole hunter stalker style. This is essentially my primary grievance with the new kill rights system and the purpose of this thread. The bears are claiming tears because apparently I am going to get shot by everyone, and they're missing the point entirely. Being shot by everyone isn't the issue. It's the fact that everyone can shoot the kill rights target that's the issue. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1574
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Posted - 2012.10.13 01:35:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:...but what does annoy me immensely is the devaluation of the contract killer/bounty hunter profession.
I was very much looking forward to transferable kill rights in the form of exclusive rights. You buy the kill rights and you have the license to go hunt the dude. Way to go completely ruining a possibly very interesting way to play the game for those who like the whole hunter stalker style. This is essentially my primary grievance with the new kill rights system and the purpose of this thread. The bears are claiming tears because apparently I am going to get shot by everyone, and they're missing the point entirely. Being shot by everyone isn't the issue.* It's the fact that everyone can shoot the kill rights target that's the issue. Edit: *being shot by everyone isn't the issue, but it is stupid as hell. It will simply encourage gankers to use alts exclusively for their work. As it is right now, there are still people who use their mains to gank, with sec grinds in between ganking sprees. Those people will simply roll alts. This system will in fact make things worse, instead of better. Making ganking increase?
Well if that happens I'm sure a "fix" will be quickly forthcoming. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
162
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Posted - 2012.10.13 08:03:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:...but what does annoy me immensely is the devaluation of the contract killer/bounty hunter profession.
I was very much looking forward to transferable kill rights in the form of exclusive rights. You buy the kill rights and you have the license to go hunt the dude. Way to go completely ruining a possibly very interesting way to play the game for those who like the whole hunter stalker style. This is essentially my primary grievance with the new kill rights system and the purpose of this thread. The bears are claiming tears because apparently I am going to get shot by everyone, and they're missing the point entirely. Being shot by everyone isn't the issue.* It's the fact that everyone can shoot the kill rights target that's the issue. Edit: *being shot by everyone isn't the issue, but it is stupid as hell. It will simply encourage gankers to use alts exclusively for their work. As it is right now, there are still people who use their mains to gank, with sec grinds in between ganking sprees. Those people will simply roll alts. This system will in fact make things worse, instead of better. Making ganking increase? Well if that happens I'm sure a "fix" will be quickly forthcoming.
I would laugh tears if they change their system before launch... |
KillerPriest
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.10.13 08:31:00 -
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LOL....Hey Hey Now!!!
Shoutout to all of the "pros" who were claiming yesterday in another thread that EvE is a PvP Game, and not PvE as well.
Hahahaha....looks like you pusswads won't be getting those easy kills anymore without consequence eh?
Seems CCP doesn't share your view that people should be forced to PvP.
Now go sit and cry in your corner....it's gonna be alriiiight... |
Lord Zim
1678
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Posted - 2012.10.13 08:41:00 -
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KillerPriest wrote:LOL....Hey Hey Now!!!
Shoutout to all of the "pros" who were claiming yesterday in another thread that EvE is a PvP Game, and not PvE as well.
Hahahaha....looks like you pusswads won't be getting those easy kills anymore without consequence eh?
Seems CCP doesn't share your view that people should be forced to PvP.
Now go sit and cry in your corner....it's gonna be alriiiight... I absolutely adore it whenever people like this completely misunderstand the argument, and make a strawman insult as a result. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
KillerPriest
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.10.13 08:42:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:You asked high sec to become a cold harsh place, you got it. Activate your kill rights, or someone does this vs you, then it's no man s land and shoot everything shooting you or shoot everything legally with appropriated flag. This couldn't be better to turn high sec in to some place everyone shoots at every one. How the heck can you silly puppies still moan and cry about it?
Because these pussies don't want a FIGHT dude....they NEVER DID in Highsec....they want to GANK and GRIEF in highsec. They want to leave nul and come blow up trial accounts and miners. This confusion you have will go away when you embrace the FACT that these people are simply COWARDS who want use use the excuse of null is boring" to grief. Real PvPers would simply be asking CCP to fix nulsec, not ruin highsec fr carebears.
But again....they don't WANT null fixed....because that would mean they'd have to fight other PVPers....
They. want. to. GRIEF. |
KillerPriest
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.10.13 08:42:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:KillerPriest wrote:LOL....Hey Hey Now!!!
Shoutout to all of the "pros" who were claiming yesterday in another thread that EvE is a PvP Game, and not PvE as well.
Hahahaha....looks like you pusswads won't be getting those easy kills anymore without consequence eh?
Seems CCP doesn't share your view that people should be forced to PvP.
Now go sit and cry in your corner....it's gonna be alriiiight... I absolutely adore it whenever people like this completely misunderstand the argument, and make a strawman insult as a result.
...pretty sure I referenced a completely diff thread.
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Lord Zim
1678
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Posted - 2012.10.13 09:00:00 -
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KillerPriest wrote:Lord Zim wrote:KillerPriest wrote:LOL....Hey Hey Now!!!
Shoutout to all of the "pros" who were claiming yesterday in another thread that EvE is a PvP Game, and not PvE as well.
Hahahaha....looks like you pusswads won't be getting those easy kills anymore without consequence eh?
Seems CCP doesn't share your view that people should be forced to PvP.
Now go sit and cry in your corner....it's gonna be alriiiight... I absolutely adore it whenever people like this completely misunderstand the argument, and make a strawman insult as a result. ...pretty sure I referenced a completely diff thread. Oh, so you were posting in the wrong thread, then? I mean, I thought you were trying to tell us that we were whining in this thread about how these changes meant we weren't getting easy kills without consequence, when that's not even remotely close to what we're arguing for. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
405
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Posted - 2012.10.13 09:04:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Deer can run pretty fast.
Freighters, though... they need some help. Don't worry. I'm predicting the buff for freighters will be here soon.
WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1162
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Posted - 2012.10.13 09:16:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Deer can run pretty fast.
Freighters, though... they need some help. Don't worry. I'm predicting the buff for freighters will be here soon. I've already made a few bets with people that we're going to see hauler EHP buffs not too long after they rework the cruisers. I'm estimating before the end of 2013. I fully expect T1 haulers to have BC-like stats with average base EHP in excess of 20,000.
Oh and of course haulers are going to be divided into nice classes, much like the mining barges (lol). (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
EglantinFinfleur
Pointy Teeth Society Ishukone Drug and Research Utilization Group
15
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Posted - 2012.10.13 09:37:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:being shot by everyone isn't the issue, but it is stupid as hell. It will simply encourage gankers to use alts exclusively for their work. As it is right now, there are still people who use their mains to gank, with sec grinds in between ganking sprees. Those people will simply roll alts. This system will in fact make things worse, instead of better.
So what? That just means they'll consider their accounts as disposable, either because they'll reprocess alts and get banned eventually (since reprocessing to avoid sec status hits is bannable), or because they'll just abandon accounts which have three flashy alts. In both cases, they'll have to buy new accounts, and fund them before the other ones have even expired. More revenue for CCP, working as intended. Not a big deal for the gankees, alts won't be as efficient gankers as veteran characters.
Big e-peen problem though. Are ingame interactions going to be harder for criminals, instead of coddling them? I'm as surprised as you are -but are still going to put a few millions on your head come Retribution, you're just a whiny gankbear-. |
Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
23
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Posted - 2012.10.13 09:40:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Oh and of course haulers are going to be divided into nice classes, much like the mining barges (lol). Oh gosh, I can see it already. A Wreathe that aligns in under 2 seconds. A Hoarder with 100k EHP. A Mammoth with 60k m3 cargo.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1162
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Posted - 2012.10.13 09:44:00 -
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EglantinFinfleur wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:being shot by everyone isn't the issue, but it is stupid as hell. It will simply encourage gankers to use alts exclusively for their work. As it is right now, there are still people who use their mains to gank, with sec grinds in between ganking sprees. Those people will simply roll alts. This system will in fact make things worse, instead of better. So what? That just means they'll consider their accounts as disposable, either because they'll reprocess alts and get banned eventually (since reprocessing to avoid sec status hits is bannable), or because they'll just abandon accounts which have three flashy alts. In both cases, they'll have to buy new accounts, and fund them before the other ones have even expired. More revenue for CCP, working as intended. Not a big deal for the gankees, alts won't be as efficient gankers as veteran characters. That's the thing though, gankers don't need to reprocess alts. Once gank characters hit -10, gankers continue to use them. The Crmiewatch changes aren't going to change this, because as is right now, -10 can be shot anywhere, by anyone, at all times. The suspect flag and kill rights will do nothing to deter -10 ganking characters.
EglantinFinfleur wrote:still going to put a few millions on your head come Retribution, you're just a whiny gankbear-. No, please don't! Please! I beg you! Please, get in touch with me in the game and we'll negotiate some kind of solution in a civilized manner! (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
805
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Posted - 2012.10.13 10:05:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Those are the costs of doing business, you chose to be in that particular line of business and costs just went up. Yes. Apparently it means that for the first time in Eve, if we are aggressed by rookies in a rookie system we don't really have any alternatives. Still waiting to find out about those petitions.
1- what are you doing in rookie systems? -you, the one always moaning about high sec dudes not willing to move low/null blah blah blah, still baiting noobs in rookie systems? -hahaha this is hilarious
2nd what are you doing in high sec? -how much do you care what is going on in high sec when your corporation/alliance business is in null? Don't like it? -don't go there. If you go then you accept high sec rules and deal with them.
Stop complaining about mining barges, noobs, high sec players, aggression mechanics in high sec yada ya. Stay in null and do whatever you're pleased without consequences, I'm sure high sec dudes will not miss you.
brb |
Lord Zim
1680
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Posted - 2012.10.13 10:07:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:2nd what are you doing in high sec? -how much do you care what is going on in high sec when your corporation/alliance business is in null? What business is it of yours where we go? Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
805
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Posted - 2012.10.13 10:09:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Deer can run pretty fast.
Freighters, though... they need some help. Don't worry. I'm predicting the buff for freighters will be here soon.
Doesn't matter how much you buff them, if you gank for profit you will always find juicy targets, it only requires some team work and effort. Brainless gaming hit F1-instant gratification should stay in wow or FPS games, not Eve online. brb |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
805
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Posted - 2012.10.13 10:18:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:2nd what are you doing in high sec? -how much do you care what is going on in high sec when your corporation/alliance business is in null? What business is it of yours where we go?
I do what I want, not what you want, and don't care at all of whoever internet hard feelings. Your inability to realise when you (ganker whiners) shoot on your own foot is just staggering and provides me one of the most entertaining rewards of Eve online: your tears. brb |
Lord Zim
1681
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Posted - 2012.10.13 10:24:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:2nd what are you doing in high sec? -how much do you care what is going on in high sec when your corporation/alliance business is in null? What business is it of yours where we go? I do what I want, not what you want, and don't care at all of whoever internet hard feelings. Your inability to realise when you (ganker whiners) shoot on your own foot is just staggering and provides me one of the most entertaining rewards of Eve online: your tears. So what you're saying is, it's none of your business where I go, yet you're going to try to tell me I shouldn't go to hisec, just because I'm in a nullsec alliance?
Okay, then. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1165
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Posted - 2012.10.13 10:25:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Graic Gabtar wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Deer can run pretty fast.
Freighters, though... they need some help. Don't worry. I'm predicting the buff for freighters will be here soon. Doesn't matter how much you buff them, if you gank for profit you will always find juicy targets, it only requires some team work and effort. Always? Hardly. If they give haulers a hundred thousand EHP and freighters a million, hauler ganking will effectively disappear. While player stupidity might be a constant, wealth isn't. At the EHP values given above, it would take about a billion just to break even on a hauler gank, and ten times that amount for a freighter. There are very few players at that level of wealth, and therefore it would take ages waiting for a target like that to pass through. Other moneymaking methods would be much more efficient, and therefore hauler ganking would become extinct as an activity.
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Brainless gaming hit F1-instant gratification should stay in wow or FPS games, not Eve online. But that's essentially what 0.0 pvp is like so you're kind of contradicting yourself there bud.
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:I do what I want, not what you want, and don't care at all of whoever internet hard feelings. Well, that's very hypocritical of you considering that two posts ago you were telling other people how to play and act.
"Stop complaining about mining barges, noobs, high sec players, aggression mechanics in high sec yada ya. Stay in null and do whatever you're pleased without consequences, I'm sure high sec dudes will not miss you." (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
806
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Posted - 2012.10.13 10:27:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:2nd what are you doing in high sec? -how much do you care what is going on in high sec when your corporation/alliance business is in null? What business is it of yours where we go? I do what I want, not what you want, and don't care at all of whoever internet hard feelings. Your inability to realise when you (ganker whiners) shoot on your own foot is just staggering and provides me one of the most entertaining rewards of Eve online: your tears. So what you're saying is, it's none of your business where I go, yet you're going to try to tell me I shouldn't go to hisec, just because I'm in a nullsec alliance? Okay, then.
No, I'm just asking you what the heck are you doing there when you don't stop complaining high sec crowd shouldn't be there. Give the example and then run your mouth, not the other way around. brb |
Lord Zim
1683
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Posted - 2012.10.13 10:35:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:2nd what are you doing in high sec? -how much do you care what is going on in high sec when your corporation/alliance business is in null? What business is it of yours where we go? I do what I want, not what you want, and don't care at all of whoever internet hard feelings. Your inability to realise when you (ganker whiners) shoot on your own foot is just staggering and provides me one of the most entertaining rewards of Eve online: your tears. So what you're saying is, it's none of your business where I go, yet you're going to try to tell me I shouldn't go to hisec, just because I'm in a nullsec alliance? Okay, then. No, I'm just asking you what the heck are you doing there when you don't stop complaining high sec crowd shouldn't be there. Give the example and then run your mouth, not the other way around. Funny, I thought I were in this thread to complain about a moronic change to the killright transferrence mechanic, and you try to make it into some sort of hisec vs nullsec slapfest? Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1165
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Posted - 2012.10.13 10:36:00 -
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May I answer for him?
As I said in an earlier post, high-sec has over two-thirds of the game's population and the highest concentration of players. It's where most activity happens. It's where most of the potential for interpersonal interaction lies. It's fun. I've played EVE for a long time now, and have done stuff in all areas of space. High-sec is simply the most fun for me, with an exception being made for wormholes due to how different they are and for pre-WTZ low-sec when piracy was both more fun and low-sec was a bit more populated.
If you take the couple hundred/thousand high-sec "griefers" and send them off to null, null won't suddenly become the hotbed of fun, engaging activity that you expect it to be. You'll simply see slightly more generic roaming gangs around, but the fun stuff like baiting, wars, extortion, piracy, ransoming, and assassinations won't materialize out of thin air (or vacuum since we're talking about space). The only types of pvp that happen in null are structure grinds and generic deathmatch small/medium gangs. Sometimes a mega fleet battle with 90% time dilation. Derp. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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