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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1575
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Posted - 2012.10.13 13:22:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Lord Zim wrote:If you actually, unironically, think these changes won't make hisec safer, then I don't know what to tell you. You don't have to, lets wait a couple months and see who's right? Edit: the obvious risk averse players were the same before and will be the same after. Don't worry, if it accidentally makes this worse, it clearly "wasn't intended" and a fix will be promptly forthcoming. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
808
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Posted - 2012.10.13 13:26:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Lord Zim wrote:If you actually, unironically, think these changes won't make hisec safer, then I don't know what to tell you. You don't have to, lets wait a couple months and see who's right? Edit: the obvious risk averse players were the same before and will be the same after. Don't worry, if it accidentally makes this worse, it clearly "wasn't intended" and a fix will be promptly forthcoming.
How much players do you think low sec will win and how many high sec alts actually are going to unsub?
I think low numbers for the first and a lot for the second, after all risk averse alts will always be risk averse and they rather rage quit than adapt. brb |
Lord Zim
1688
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Posted - 2012.10.13 13:27:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Lord Zim wrote:If you actually, unironically, think these changes won't make hisec safer, then I don't know what to tell you. You don't have to, lets wait a couple months and see who's right? What'll happen is that either hisec PVP will quieten down to a level where hisec pubbies are actually safe again, or CCP will continue to tighten the screws. The bit in the bounty devblog about "well we'll see about earmarking a bounty or a killright to a specific person, but it won't happen this release"? Yeah, they'll never get to doing that part, which means bountyhunting is not a dedicated profession anymore, and everyone who has killrights on them which are made public, will be getting rid of that killright without losing anything.
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Edit: the obvious risk averse players were the same before and will be the same after. Yep. Hisec pubbies who've whined up a storm time and time and time again until CCP tightens the screw, time and time again. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
Lord Zim
1688
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Posted - 2012.10.13 13:33:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:after all risk averse alts will always be risk averse and they rather rage quit than adapt. I doubt your preciously risk averse hisec pubbies will rage quit with these changes, since these changes make hisec safer, not more dangerous. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
197
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Posted - 2012.10.13 13:33:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:The message you're sending is clear. The message you're sending is....wait, say that again...
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1575
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Posted - 2012.10.13 13:36:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Edit: the obvious risk averse players were the same before and will be the same after. Yep. Hisec pubbies who've whined up a storm time and time and time again until CCP tightens the screw, time and time again. Another good question to consider is: is the "CCP that tightens the screw, time and time again" the same CCP that gives in to the whining highsec pubbies time and time again before and after... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Doc Mulder
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.10.13 13:39:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:after all risk averse alts will always be risk averse and they rather rage quit than adapt. I doubt your preciously risk averse hisec pubbies will rage quit with these changes, since these changes make hisec safer, not more dangerous. These days I live mostly in Hi-Sec. I would love it if Hi-Sec was more dangerous and less boring. I remember getting ganked in Jita once. I lost a Badger with 1.6 Billion worth of stuff. The first thing that happened it startled the crap out of me. Once I realized waht happened I laughed my ass off. I realized it was this most fun I'd had in Hi-Sec in a long time... |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1575
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Posted - 2012.10.13 13:41:00 -
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Doc Mulder wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:after all risk averse alts will always be risk averse and they rather rage quit than adapt. I doubt your preciously risk averse hisec pubbies will rage quit with these changes, since these changes make hisec safer, not more dangerous. These days I live mostly in Hi-Sec. I would love it if Hi-Sec was more dangerous and less boring. I remember getting ganked in Jita once. I lost a Badger with 1.6 Billion worth of stuff. The first thing that happened it startled the crap out of me. Once I realized waht happened I laughed my ass off. I realized it was this most fun I'd had in Hi-Sec in a long time... You are not the kind of player being discussed, then.
Hope you're having fun in EVE, whatever form that might take for you. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
809
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Posted - 2012.10.13 13:44:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Yep. Hisec pubbies who've whined up a storm time and time and time again until CCP tightens the screw, time and time again.
There's a very good solution for players not liking high sec: don't stay there, don't go there, never log there, biomass all alts and alt corporations there, get assets out of there, go to low, go to null, go live in WH's.
Easy. brb |
Lord Zim
1688
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Posted - 2012.10.13 13:46:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:There's a very good solution for players not liking high sec: don't stay there, don't go there, never log there, biomass all alts and alt corporations there, get assets out of there, go to low, go to null, go live in WH's. There you go again, dictating where I can and can't go. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1575
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Posted - 2012.10.13 13:48:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Yep. Hisec pubbies who've whined up a storm time and time and time again until CCP tightens the screw, time and time again. There's a very good solution for players not liking high sec: don't stay there, don't go there, never log there, biomass all alts and alt corporations there, get assets out of there, go to low, go to null, go live in WH's. Easy. It doesn't have to do with highsec, you're not noticing the subject(s) of the statement. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Bane Necran
520
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Posted - 2012.10.13 13:49:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Another good question to consider is: is the "CCP that tightens the screw, time and time again" the same CCP that gives in to the whining highsec pubbies time and time again before and after...
If it happens time and time again it should be easy for you to give a single example of it.
Difficulty: example has to be based in reality. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham
Totally quitting this time for sure, maybe. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
1336
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Posted - 2012.10.13 13:50:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Can you provide the proof or you sayings? -no you can't, and I believe this will bring a better pvp quality to high sec. Steal cargo? Everyone can attack you. Direct nerf to stealing from cans, and a direct attempt at nerfing hisec ganking for profit. It's not a nerf, it's a buff. Concord safety for being a criminal is a nonsense.
It is a nerf, the safety of hisec carebears has been nerfed, that's why Zim and these others are crying. CONCORD nerf, it no longer protects a criminal in hisec from other players, which hurts their carebear activities. I mean, that's why they are in hisec in the first place, they can't be ganked because CONCORD will pamper their soft little pubbie butts.
They will stop harassing other carebears, because it will involve a risk in the future. As risk-averse carebears, they go to the forums and cry in the hopes that CCP would change the game so that they are safe again, instead of adapting.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
809
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Posted - 2012.10.13 13:52:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:There's a very good solution for players not liking high sec: don't stay there, don't go there, never log there, biomass all alts and alt corporations there, get assets out of there, go to low, go to null, go live in WH's. There you go again, dictating where I can and can't go.
No way I will ever dictate where you should go. But I will obviously shoot at you if you act like a criminal and I don't get Conkorden because Concord actually protects you and your criminal actions from me.
I'm the paladin I'm the incarnated light of truth and you, infidel, will taste my divine justice if you ever dare to be and act like an orc !
brb |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
179
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Posted - 2012.10.13 13:55:00 -
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These bounty changes are the BEST THING EVER!
Griefers moaning about the loss of their easy mode - PRICELESS! How about you go shoot things in the designated PvP areas? Oh wait, don't they tend to shoot back there?
I'm going to be slapping bounties on a crap-load of people that have wronged me in the past. |
Lord Zim
1688
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Posted - 2012.10.13 13:57:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Another good question to consider is: is the "CCP that tightens the screw, time and time again" the same CCP that gives in to the whining highsec pubbies time and time again before and after... If it happens time and time again it should be easy for you to give a single example of it. Difficulty: example has to be based in reality. I'm certain I'm missing tons of nerfs, but the ones I can think of offhand are Concord buff. Yet another concord buff. Insurance nerf. Mining barge buff
And now, canflip nerf and ganker nerf, and even "point a pod" nerf. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
Lord Zim
1688
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Posted - 2012.10.13 14:01:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:There's a very good solution for players not liking high sec: don't stay there, don't go there, never log there, biomass all alts and alt corporations there, get assets out of there, go to low, go to null, go live in WH's. There you go again, dictating where I can and can't go. No way I will ever dictate where you should go. Yet you persist in telling me that "if you don't like hisec, don't go there".
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:But I will obviously shoot at you if you act like a criminal and I don't get Conkorden because Concord actually protects you and your criminal actions from me. If I did a criminal act towards you, you and your corp can shoot me. If I do too much criminal activity (i.e. my sec status dips too low), everyone can shoot me. If you want to, you can gank me just as easily as I can gank someone else. Which part of concord is protecting me from you?
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:I'm the paladin I'm the incarnated light of truth and you, infidel, will taste my divine justice if you ever dare to be and act like an orc ! There's nothing in the mechanics today which stops this from happening as it is. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
Lord Zim
1688
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Posted - 2012.10.13 14:03:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote:These bounty changes are the BEST THING EVER! Gameable, but whatevs, we've come to expect this from CCP nowadays. vOv
Xen Solarus wrote:Griefers moaning about the loss of their easy mode - PRICELESS! Tell us where we're moaning about the "loss of their easy mode".
Xen Solarus wrote:How about you go shoot things in the designated PvP areas? Oh wait, don't they tend to shoot back there? Are you implying hisec is supposed to be a PVP-free area? Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1575
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Posted - 2012.10.13 14:17:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Another good question to consider is: is the "CCP that tightens the screw, time and time again" the same CCP that gives in to the whining highsec pubbies time and time again before and after... If it happens time and time again it should be easy for you to give a single example of it. Difficulty: example has to be based in reality. I'm certain I'm missing tons of nerfs, but the ones I can think of offhand are Concord buff. Yet another concord buff. Insurance nerf. Mining barge buff And now, canflip nerf and ganker nerf, and even "point a pod" nerf. And now they'll list reasons why those weren't nerfs or came with buffs, and thus...wait for it...
shooting people in highsec still needs to be nerfed more. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1575
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Posted - 2012.10.13 14:18:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Xen Solarus wrote:How about you go shoot things in the designated PvP areas? Oh wait, don't they tend to shoot back there? Are you implying hisec is supposed to be a PVP-free area? Just not an area where you shoot people. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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Bane Necran
521
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Posted - 2012.10.13 14:19:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:I'm certain I'm missing tons of nerfs, but the ones I can think of offhand are Concord buff. Yet another concord buff. Insurance nerf. Mining barge buff
And now, canflip nerf and ganker nerf, and even "point a pod" nerf.
All fairly recent, and only ways that make it harder to exploit hisec players, while they've worked overtime to nerf everything else about hisec, in response to the begging and crying of people in 0.0. For 90% of EVEs existence hisec players have just been getting nerf after nerf, while more and more isk is dropped in the lap of nullbears.
People in hisec have asked for lots of nerfs to 0.0 over the years, but CCP always ignores them. On the other hand, nearly all the nerfs 0.0 players have asked for hisec have eventually happened. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham
Totally quitting this time for sure, maybe. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
811
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Posted - 2012.10.13 14:23:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:I'm the paladin I'm the incarnated light of truth and you, infidel, will taste my divine justice if you ever dare to be and act like an orc ! There's nothing in the mechanics today which stops this from happening as it is.
There is.
You can flip some guy you're flagged to him and his corp not to me, and if I get involved and shoot at you I get Concorded. So this change is very much appreciated by those who actually don't care/will never get in to pvp and by those searching for targets.
And on top of it you can dock and bounce in between safes so I don't catch you while Concord buff would actually jam/scram you and simply blow you up. You have a chance to fight, take it.
brb |
Lord Zim
1688
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Posted - 2012.10.13 14:27:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:while they've worked overtime to nerf everything else about hisec Which nerfs are you talking about? From my vantage point, hisec is the best place to make a lot of money, in perfect safety. And now the safety'll be even more perfect.
Bane Necran wrote:People in hisec have asked for lots of nerfs to 0.0 over the years, but CCP always ignores them. Which nerfs have people in hisec proposed, but has been ignored?
Bane Necran wrote:On the other hand, nearly all the nerfs 0.0 players have asked for hisec have eventually happened. Which nerfs have been implemented? Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
EglantinFinfleur
Pointy Teeth Society Ishukone Drug and Research Utilization Group
15
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Posted - 2012.10.13 14:36:00 -
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How about quitting EvE and jumping to Darkfall 2.0? it should come out around the time Retribution rolls out.
I'm sure we can have some meaningful PvP there! |
Lord Zim
1688
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Posted - 2012.10.13 14:37:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:There is.
You can flip some guy you're flagged to him and his corp not to me Yes, and?
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:and if I get involved and shoot at you I get Concorded. Oh, so the problem isn't that you can't be a vigilante, the problem is that concord of today doesn't appreciate people being vigilantes and getting involved in things which have nothing to do with them?
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:So this change is very much appreciated by those who actually don't care/will never get in to pvp i.e. those who thinks hisec should be hello kitty online.
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:and by those searching for targets. Yes, I'm sure hisec will be filled to the brim with hisec pubbies who suddenly discover that they do, in fact, have a lust for blood, and they will certainly not keep treating hisec as the hello kitty online which CCP is rapidly turning it into.
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:And on top of it you can dock and bounce in between safes so I don't catch you while Concord buff would actually jam/scram you and simply blow you up. You have a chance to fight, take it. Conversely, those who get canflipped today have the ability to bring the whole corp to bear on the guy who did the canflipping. Are you saying that this isn't enough? You need more safety? Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
Bane Necran
521
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Posted - 2012.10.13 14:38:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Which nerfs are you talking about? From my vantage point, hisec is the best place to make a lot of money, in perfect safety. And now the safety'll be even more perfect.
Whenever i hear someone talk about how safe and profitable hisec is, i know they haven't spent much time there.
Just off the top of my head, moving level 5 missions to lowsec and nerfing mission loot several times would be the kind of nerfs i'm talking about. All of which were things 0.0 players rallied for.
Lord Zim wrote:Which nerfs have people in hisec proposed, but has been ignored?
A large variety of suggestions that would make it harder for large alliances to hold empty systems they never use, the removal of local in 0.0, and everything in between.
I know they're planning on bringing in a mechanic that allows fleets to disable local in 0.0 systems, but it will no doubt give the defender a couple days to get a blob together to fend off the attackers, and will be pointless. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham
Totally quitting this time for sure, maybe. |
Lord Zim
1688
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Posted - 2012.10.13 14:39:00 -
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Look at you being utterly and completely wrong.
EglantinFinfleur wrote:How about quitting EvE and jumping to Darkfall 2.0? it should come out around the time Retribution rolls out.
I'm sure we can have some meaningful PvP there! At which point have I talked about "some meaningful PVP"? Point out any post of mine where I've said "we must have more meaningful PVP". Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
811
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Posted - 2012.10.13 14:39:00 -
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EglantinFinfleur wrote:How about quitting EvE and jumping to Darkfall 2.0? it should come out around the time Retribution rolls out. I'm sure we can have some meaningful PvP there!
There's no fake high sec in that game, Zim will not play it. brb |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1575
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Posted - 2012.10.13 14:41:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:So this change is very much appreciated by those who actually don't care/will never get in to pvp i.e. those who thinks hisec should be hello kitty online. Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:and by those searching for targets. Yes, I'm sure hisec will be filled to the brim with hisec pubbies who suddenly discover that they do, in fact, have a lust for blood, and they will certainly not keep treating hisec as the hello kitty online which CCP is rapidly turning it into. Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:And on top of it you can dock and bounce in between safes so I don't catch you while Concord buff would actually jam/scram you and simply blow you up. You have a chance to fight, take it. Conversely, those who get canflipped today have the ability to bring the whole corp to bear on the guy who did the canflipping. Are you saying that this isn't enough? You need more safety? Seriously, hello kitty online is ...
You should try it, it has to be experienced to be believed. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
811
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Posted - 2012.10.13 14:45:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Rabble rabble rabble
So, are you going to stop crying because high sec will no longer be your kitty online Concord protection and adapt?
Your themepark gaming zone is over, man up Zim !! You worth better than that, cmon...
brb |
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