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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.13 23:34:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Lord Zim wrote:I just had a thought, and this makes it even more hilarious.
If the wording in the devblog means what I think it means, then if I were to get ganked, I could then spend the next 30 days just dogging the ganker and activating the killright whenever I wanted to. Barring that, if the money people would spend on activating the killright would go to the owner of the killright, all I would have to do to grief the everliving **** out of someone is make an alt, give that alt 1b or so, stalk the ganker, activate the killright whenever it is convenient and transfer that 1b back to the alt, ready to reactivate the killright again at a later date.
Or, of course, the ganker can pay me 1b to gank his own shuttle, I guess. In medieval Europe there was a form of literature which was quite popular in its time. I believe it may be making a comeback in an online, virtual form. This literary form is known as the "Farce." Mmmm, wonder if this'll go through then people who use it in ways unexpected to CCP get in trouble for exploiting obviously unintended bugs.
I mean, it involves shooting people in highsec, that's serious stuff. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Lord Zim
1720
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Posted - 2012.10.13 23:35:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Yeah, essentially. By making the kill right too expensive for normal people to buy, you can give the ganker a suspect flag that either lasts 30 days or until he dies.
However, the ganker could use an alt to kill himself when you activate the kill right, making the system exploitable both ways. This is certainly true, since having a suspect flag doesn't stop you from docking up and swapping out to an inexpensive ship, but the right timing should make it a bit trickier to do.
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Seriously, it's a completely useless system. That it is, but it's as close as Stoffer can get to removing hisec aggression or griefing without actually making a lie out of the comment where he said "we would never completely remove hisec aggression". In short, wordlawyering to the highest degree. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
844
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Posted - 2012.10.13 23:43:00 -
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I think you're vastly underestimating CCP if you think this is as close as they can get to removing aggression from highsec. |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
134
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Posted - 2012.10.13 23:44:00 -
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I do suppose kill right prices will have a function related to the bounty on the head of the kill target. If the target has a huge bounty on his head I do not see a player selling a kill right very cheap. The bounty paid out is up to 20% of the total bounty if the value of the kill is worth that much. So I see kill rights being set at about that 20% level of that bounty assuming there is a bounty. Unless someone wants to scam the system that is.
Also all current bounties will be erased and they start from scratch on the day of the winter update. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet" |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1574
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Posted - 2012.10.13 23:47:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Yeah, essentially. By making the kill right too expensive for normal people to buy, you can give the ganker a suspect flag that either lasts 30 days or until he dies.
However, the ganker could use an alt to kill himself when you activate the kill right, making the system exploitable both ways. This is certainly true, since having a suspect flag doesn't stop you from docking up and swapping out to an inexpensive ship, but the right timing should make it a bit trickier to do. Destiny Corrupted wrote:Seriously, it's a completely useless system. That it is, but it's as close as Stoffer can get to removing hisec aggression or griefing without actually making a lie out of the comment where he said "we would never completely remove hisec aggression". In short, wordlawyering to the highest degree. Except. it doesn't. It hurts rookies. Here's why.
My alt is a part-time pirate. I grind his sec enough to keep him travel-safe in high-sec. I can be front-loaded for pointing a pod, collect a ransom and get a kill right, dock up and wait my 15.
While I'm waiting off my 15 minute aggression, I open up the market and elect to perform some arbitage of civilian equipment in high-sec. Arbitage is good for the economy, so this is acceptable gameplay.
I undock after my 15, go to high-sec, pick up a bunch of civvy mods and bring them to a rookie system for sale.
When I get there I go AFK for a beverage while undocked 15km off the station. That's because I'm autopiloting.
When I come back I'm being buzzed by rookie ships. Oh noes!
I activate my medium smartbombs. I might even get a few "innocents." Probably not though.
The result? Through normal gameplay rookies die. This is broke because you can't encourage rookie players to be the arbiters of something they know nothing about. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1194
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Posted - 2012.10.13 23:49:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:I do suppose kill right prices will have a function related to the bounty on the head of the kill target. If the target has a huge bounty on his head I do not see a player selling a kill right very cheap. The bounty paid out is up to 20% of the total bounty if the value of the kill is worth that much. So I see kill rights being set at about that 20% level of that bounty assuming there is a bounty. Unless someone wants to scam the system that is.
Also all current bounties will be erased and they start from scratch on the day of the winter update. The bounty will be 20% of the value of the destroyed ship or pod, not 20% of the total bounty pool. That means that if anything, kill right prices will be related to the target's ship preferences.
It will also mean that if someone sets an expensive price on my kill right and I don't want to pay for it myself to remove it, I'd just get into something enticing like a buffered hauler, and then switch over to a shuttle to kill myself with an alt once someone drops the money to have a go at me. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Lord Zim
1721
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Posted - 2012.10.13 23:52:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:I think you're vastly underestimating CCP if you think this is as close as they can get to removing aggression from highsec. Without actually physically disallowing it? I'd l ike to see them try.
However, due to this, I'm unironically starting the training of a hisec gank the instant one of my accounts is done with its current training regime. I intend to be locked and loaded come the day CCP unironically tries to turn hisec into hello kitty online, just to spite Stoffer. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
134
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Posted - 2012.10.13 23:55:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:I do suppose kill right prices will have a function related to the bounty on the head of the kill target. If the target has a huge bounty on his head I do not see a player selling a kill right very cheap. The bounty paid out is up to 20% of the total bounty if the value of the kill is worth that much. So I see kill rights being set at about that 20% level of that bounty assuming there is a bounty. Unless someone wants to scam the system that is.
Also all current bounties will be erased and they start from scratch on the day of the winter update. The bounty will be 20% of the value of the destroyed ship or pod, not 20% of the total bounty pool. That means that if anything, kill right prices will be related to the target's ship preferences. It will also mean that if someone sets an expensive price on my kill right and I don't want to pay for it myself to remove it, I'd just get into something enticing like a buffered hauler, and then switch over to a shuttle to kill myself with an alt once someone drops the money to have a go at me.
"The bounty paid out is up to 20% of the total bounty if the value of the kill is worth that much."
Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet" |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1194
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Posted - 2012.10.13 23:57:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:I do suppose kill right prices will have a function related to the bounty on the head of the kill target. If the target has a huge bounty on his head I do not see a player selling a kill right very cheap. The bounty paid out is up to 20% of the total bounty if the value of the kill is worth that much. So I see kill rights being set at about that 20% level of that bounty assuming there is a bounty. Unless someone wants to scam the system that is.
Also all current bounties will be erased and they start from scratch on the day of the winter update. The bounty will be 20% of the value of the destroyed ship or pod, not 20% of the total bounty pool. That means that if anything, kill right prices will be related to the target's ship preferences. It will also mean that if someone sets an expensive price on my kill right and I don't want to pay for it myself to remove it, I'd just get into something enticing like a buffered hauler, and then switch over to a shuttle to kill myself with an alt once someone drops the money to have a go at me. "The bounty paid out is up to 20% of the total bounty if the value of the kill is worth that much." Straight from the dev blog:
"The bounty payout is based on a percentage of the Total Loss, so the bounty received will always be considerably less than the actual Total Loss value. The base number weGÇÖre going for right now is 20%. This means that if you blow something up worth 100 million, then 20 million is paid out in bounty (or whatever is left in the bounty pool if less than 20 million)."
What this means is, if my bounty is a billion, but I only fly T1 frigates, the person who kills me would be getting a tiny payout, and wouldn't pay a hundred million for the kill right just because my bounty is a billion. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
134
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Posted - 2012.10.14 00:00:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:I do suppose kill right prices will have a function related to the bounty on the head of the kill target. If the target has a huge bounty on his head I do not see a player selling a kill right very cheap. The bounty paid out is up to 20% of the total bounty if the value of the kill is worth that much. So I see kill rights being set at about that 20% level of that bounty assuming there is a bounty. Unless someone wants to scam the system that is.
Also all current bounties will be erased and they start from scratch on the day of the winter update. The bounty will be 20% of the value of the destroyed ship or pod, not 20% of the total bounty pool. That means that if anything, kill right prices will be related to the target's ship preferences. It will also mean that if someone sets an expensive price on my kill right and I don't want to pay for it myself to remove it, I'd just get into something enticing like a buffered hauler, and then switch over to a shuttle to kill myself with an alt once someone drops the money to have a go at me. "The bounty paid out is up to 20% of the total bounty if the value of the kill is worth that much." Straight from the dev blog: "The bounty payout is based on a percentage of the Total Loss, so the bounty received will always be considerably less than the actual Total Loss value. The base number weGÇÖre going for right now is 20%. This means that if you blow something up worth 100 million, then 20 million is paid out in bounty (or whatever is left in the bounty pool if less than 20 million)."
And that is exactly what I said. If the value of the kill is worth 20% of the bounty pool. IE that much. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet" |
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Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1574
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Posted - 2012.10.14 00:03:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:I do suppose kill right prices will have a function related to the bounty on the head of the kill target. If the target has a huge bounty on his head I do not see a player selling a kill right very cheap. The bounty paid out is up to 20% of the total bounty if the value of the kill is worth that much. So I see kill rights being set at about that 20% level of that bounty assuming there is a bounty. Unless someone wants to scam the system that is.
Also all current bounties will be erased and they start from scratch on the day of the winter update. The bounty will be 20% of the value of the destroyed ship or pod, not 20% of the total bounty pool. That means that if anything, kill right prices will be related to the target's ship preferences. It will also mean that if someone sets an expensive price on my kill right and I don't want to pay for it myself to remove it, I'd just get into something enticing like a buffered hauler, and then switch over to a shuttle to kill myself with an alt once someone drops the money to have a go at me. "The bounty paid out is up to 20% of the total bounty if the value of the kill is worth that much." Straight from the dev blog: "The bounty payout is based on a percentage of the Total Loss, so the bounty received will always be considerably less than the actual Total Loss value. The base number weGÇÖre going for right now is 20%. This means that if you blow something up worth 100 million, then 20 million is paid out in bounty (or whatever is left in the bounty pool if less than 20 million)." And that is exactly what I said. If the value of the kill is worth 20% of the bounty pool. IE that much. Not to be nitpicky but to me it looks like an amount comes out of the bounty pool equal to about 20% of the kill value. If that's the way it works, this could go on for a very, very long time. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
GetSirrus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.10.14 00:10:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: Bounty-hunters don't want random people interfering in their work.
neither does anybody else, but this is Eve?! single shard universe. Or did a specific profession suddenly get a free-pass? |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1195
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Posted - 2012.10.14 00:13:00 -
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GetSirrus wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: Bounty-hunters don't want random people interfering in their work.
neither does anybody else, but this is Eve?! single shard universe. Or did a specific profession suddenly get a free-pass? Do you understand what it actually means to be a bounty hunter? (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1575
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Posted - 2012.10.14 00:26:00 -
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GetSirrus wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: Bounty-hunters don't want random people interfering in their work.
neither does anybody else, but this is Eve?! single shard universe. Or did a specific profession suddenly get a free-pass? Miners recently did, yes. But this thread isn't about that.
On-topic, though:
I like how instead of collecting our own bounties with alts, now we'll be collecting our own kill rights with alts instead.
Capitalism! Whoever's got the most ISK wins! He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
162
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Posted - 2012.10.14 00:33:00 -
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Holy ****, how hard is it for people to understand that no one is crying about omg imma get flagged to a bunch of people. Limited intellects with their go pvp outside of high sec and htfu griefer...
The whole point is that CCP chose such an inelegant way to implement this system and ruining potentially awesome kill rights mechanic before it even goes live.
There. Get it? It's just one sentence. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
624
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Posted - 2012.10.14 00:42:00 -
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Ludi Burek wrote:The whole point is that CCP chose such an inelegant way to implement this system and ruining potentially awesome kill rights mechanic before it even goes live. There. Get it? It's just one sentence. No, they don't.
They think that people who fly in high sec at -10 are going to suddenly be afraid because everyone can shoot them now....
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1197
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Posted - 2012.10.14 00:55:00 -
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It's the standard carebear attitude. To a carebear, a player who fights other players, no matter for what purpose, is a coward.
It's a very bitter irony. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
135
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Posted - 2012.10.14 00:56:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:The whole point is that CCP chose such an inelegant way to implement this system and ruining potentially awesome kill rights mechanic before it even goes live. There. Get it? It's just one sentence. No, they don't. They think that people who fly in high sec at -10 are going to suddenly be afraid because everyone can shoot them now....
LOL But that is pretty close to the truth. Closer than you think. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet" |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1197
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Posted - 2012.10.14 00:57:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:The whole point is that CCP chose such an inelegant way to implement this system and ruining potentially awesome kill rights mechanic before it even goes live. There. Get it? It's just one sentence. No, they don't. They think that people who fly in high sec at -10 are going to suddenly be afraid because everyone can shoot them now.... LOL But that is pretty close to the truth. Closer than you think. But how does that even make sense? (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5143
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Posted - 2012.10.14 01:04:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:The whole point is that CCP chose such an inelegant way to implement this system and ruining potentially awesome kill rights mechanic before it even goes live. There. Get it? It's just one sentence. No, they don't. They think that people who fly in high sec at -10 are going to suddenly be afraid because everyone can shoot them now....
everyone can already shoot you in hisec, including your pod, if you're -10 This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
627
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Posted - 2012.10.14 01:06:00 -
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Andski wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:The whole point is that CCP chose such an inelegant way to implement this system and ruining potentially awesome kill rights mechanic before it even goes live. There. Get it? It's just one sentence. No, they don't. They think that people who fly in high sec at -10 are going to suddenly be afraid because everyone can shoot them now.... everyone can already shoot you in hisec, including your pod, if you're -10
ummmmmmmmm.......
Not to put *too fine a point on it* that WAS my point...
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1588
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Posted - 2012.10.14 01:36:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:However, due to this, I'm unironically starting the training of a hisec gank the instant one of my accounts is done with its current training regime. I intend to be locked and loaded come the day CCP unironically tries to turn hisec into hello kitty online, just to spite Stoffer. I think CCP will try and disarm you even more then.
Soon ganking will go from "never intended to be profitable" to "never intended to be feasible". Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1576
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Posted - 2012.10.14 01:41:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Lord Zim wrote:However, due to this, I'm unironically starting the training of a hisec gank the instant one of my accounts is done with its current training regime. I intend to be locked and loaded come the day CCP unironically tries to turn hisec into hello kitty online, just to spite Stoffer. I think CCP will try and disarm you even more then. Soon ganking will go from "never intended to be profitable" to "never intended to be feasible". You mean like Ghost Training, right? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
304
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Posted - 2012.10.14 01:57:00 -
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This is quite the oposite of hello kitty online.
It will create pvp were there currently is none. How is that a bad thing exactly?
If you're a pvper, and you're out pvping in high sec, you should want people to pvp with. That's exactly what CCP did.
Having to assign killright contracts to specific individuals would be firgging tedious. The public open sounds like a public contract that is created when you set the killright to public. Not everyone is going to accept the killright.
I think you guys are overestimating the number of people that are actually going to take advantage of this stuff. You might end up with a few more people to shoot at, your'e not going to get bombarded by players who flocked to the system just to kill you.
It's pretty much nothing more than a concensual pvp switch. The carebears get to decide if they want to pvp. Holly ****, have you guys never played an MMO that required carebears to willingly pvp? I mean seriously, they're ******* carebears.
Are you scared of a carebear? |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1201
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Posted - 2012.10.14 02:06:00 -
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Natsett, you don't sound like you're familiar with high-sec pvp at all. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
304
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Posted - 2012.10.14 02:08:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Natsett, you don't sound like you're familiar with high-sec pvp at all. How so?
Edit: And what high sec pvp.
This whole change looks like they're trying to create pvp where there is none. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1201
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Posted - 2012.10.14 02:10:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Natsett, you don't sound like you're familiar with high-sec pvp at all. How so? Edit: And what high sec pvp. This whole change looks like they're trying to create pvp where there is none. Are you? I'd rather not type out a lengthly explanation if I could help it. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
304
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Posted - 2012.10.14 02:12:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Natsett, you don't sound like you're familiar with high-sec pvp at all. How so? Edit: And what high sec pvp. This whole change looks like they're trying to create pvp where there is none. Are you? I'd rather not type out a lengthly explanation if I could help it. Yes.
But the only parts that matter are how you get a killright, and who can access that killright. The later part being what people seem to have a problem with. |
Risien Drogonne
Aliastra Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.10.14 03:11:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Risien Drogonne wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Risien Drogonne wrote:Doesn't that just mean you want to be able to pick who can PvP with you? Just like I said? You only want the involuntary PvP to go one-way? How would that be "picking who can PVP with [me]" in any way, shape or form? You're attempting to control who can retaliate against you for your aggression. You want to control the supposedly "involuntary" PVP. If your target has no control, why should you? How would one control who can retaliate against him when he has no bearing on who buys the kill rights? He's controlling that it's just one person. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1588
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Posted - 2012.10.14 03:13:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Lord Zim wrote:However, due to this, I'm unironically starting the training of a hisec gank the instant one of my accounts is done with its current training regime. I intend to be locked and loaded come the day CCP unironically tries to turn hisec into hello kitty online, just to spite Stoffer. I think CCP will try and disarm you even more then. Soon ganking will go from "never intended to be profitable" to "never intended to be feasible". You mean like Ghost Training, right? Yeah, you evil ganker you. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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