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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
959
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Posted - 2012.10.11 21:26:00 -
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Go suspect in the starter system. Collect lulz?
Torn from grace, gotta find your faith or the devils gonna claim your soul
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1797
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Posted - 2012.10.11 21:30:00 -
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Hey Destiny, can't we not simply teach the cowards how to live with being FFA ? I mean, it's not THAT hard to live with that if you know what you're doing ...
It's basically the easy form of being an outlaw, which is great fun. ^_^ Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
340
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Posted - 2012.10.11 21:35:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:I wonder what will happen the first time a griefer corp warps 15 pilots to the Jita undock and has all of them go suspect at once.
Let me see if I understand the new system properly. A griefer corp has say, 10 combat ships with maybe 100 logi's, 10 assigned to each combat ship.
They also have ONE alt who has kill rights on all the combat ships. The griefer corp warps the 10 combat and 100 logi's to the Jita undock.
The alt undocks, and activates the kill rights on the 10 combat pilots, making them all Suspects. Now, everyone else on the undock goes mental and starts attacking the combat ships. The combat ships do NOT shoot first, avoiding the Criminal flags, and invoking a Concord response. The logi's all start repping and immediately gain a Suspect flag, and able to be shot. But unless everyone on the undock is organized with neuts and jammers, it is going to be almost impossible to break the tanks of any ship in that griefer corp.
Meantime, anyone who has actually attacked a Suspect combat ship is dragged into a Limited Engagement with the Suspect ship they aggressed. If they stick around, they will all die, unless they get organized within the time it takes for the combat ship to blow them out of the sky.
Do I have the mechanics understood properly? |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1797
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Posted - 2012.10.11 21:40:00 -
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Jim Era wrote:so wait hold on... OP is afraid of a bunch of carebears blowing up their ships?
Really?
I thought everyone was for the whole, lets make eve harder thing. Jim, you either fail to understand or you deliberately talk crap.
The consequence-based changes don't make EvE harder ever, because if that was true, *everybody* would have a harder time, which isn't the case at all.
Instead, why aren't any changes coming that make the life for most highseccers harder ? Why, oh why, i wonder ....... Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
306
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Posted - 2012.10.11 21:51:00 -
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Actually you showed me nothing so far that makes me dislike the system OP.
It's all based on a simple premise. Don't break the law. They will also have warning systems in place for these precious noobs you speak of. It's not really going to be possible for a noob to screw up his character using the bounty system.
It is truly looking like this will weed out the criminals from the mechanics sploiters. Criminals are actually going to have to lay low and skulk like criminals. Play their character like a common thug, hiding in the shadows. I might even consider it as a career |
stg slate
We're Kind of a Big Deal
3
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Posted - 2012.10.11 21:52:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: I guess if bounty hunters go after their targets, and the targets turn out to be a bit more than they can handle, they invite random passerby on the action. I get this mental image of Boba Fett, after being knocked on his ass by a local hardman, yelling "well what you all standing 'round for, can't you see this guy means business?" while wiping the blood from under his helmet. The Cantina Band springs to action immediately, and the lovable munchkins clobber the perp with their adorable musical instruments.
I imagine its more like pointing a finger and saying 'Hey, that guy's head with worth 150mil!'. And then yes, the cantina band would be beating the guy to death with thier Omniboxes because, hey, 150mil right?
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1797
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Posted - 2012.10.11 22:01:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Actually you showed me nothing so far that makes me dislike the system OP. It's all based on a simple premise. Don't break the law. They will also have warning systems in place for these precious noobs you speak of. It's not really going to be possible for a noob to screw up his character using the bounty system. It is truly looking like this will weed out the criminals from the mechanics sploiters. Criminals are actually going to have to lay low and skulk like criminals. Play their character like a common thug, hiding in the shadows. I might even consider it as a career No, that's not true at all.
All these changes don't affect *me* in any way and i fly around freely in every highsec system i want, all day long, shooting whatever i want, all day long. What these changes basically do is making "everybody" a potential Solstice Project, with the problem that most people don't want to play the way i do.
This will probably lead to a reduction of crimes in general, which equals a reduction of realism of the sandbox. That, or simply way more people using worthless alts to have fun, knowing that they'll just have to park them in station for 30 days, once ***** starts to get too bad for them to do anything.
The most ironic thing is that, if more people would play the way i do, they would shrug these changes off ... ... laughing and thanking CCP for removing the criminal competition. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
624
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Posted - 2012.10.11 22:12:00 -
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The changes to killrights are pure genius.... And CCP has my full support in implementing them....
The changes to bounties are excellent too!!!!
At OP.... if you don't want to be insta-suspected when you're not ready for it, don't suicide gank in highsec, and don't shoot pods in lowsec....
Finally, this system can easily be circumvented for those tooo that can't handle it when people have killrights on them...
Get in a frigate with your main... bring alt.... have alt activate your suspect flag (which cost money that will go to your previous victim) and then blow up your main. Wallah... no more killrights... and your previous victim got paid an amount they decided...
This is pure genius!!!! |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
306
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Posted - 2012.10.11 22:15:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Skydell wrote:Actually you showed me nothing so far that makes me dislike the system OP. It's all based on a simple premise. Don't break the law. They will also have warning systems in place for these precious noobs you speak of. It's not really going to be possible for a noob to screw up his character using the bounty system. It is truly looking like this will weed out the criminals from the mechanics sploiters. Criminals are actually going to have to lay low and skulk like criminals. Play their character like a common thug, hiding in the shadows. I might even consider it as a career No, that's not true at all. All these changes don't affect *me* in any way and i fly around freely in every highsec system i want, all day long, shooting whatever i want, all day long. What these changes basically do is making every potential criminal a potential Solstice Project, with the problem that most people don't want to play the way i do. This will probably lead to a reduction of crimes in general, which equals a reduction of realism of the sandbox. That, or simply way more people using worthless alts to have fun, knowing that they'll just have to park them in station for 30 days, once ***** starts to get too bad for them to do anything. The most ironic thing is that, if more people would play the way i do, they would shrug these changes off ... ... laughing and thanking CCP for removing the criminal competition.
I don't speak for everyone, only myself but I can say I never had an issue with "your kind of people" in EVE. You say you are a true criminal in the game. I support your right to be that. I do like that CCP is calling out the chickenshits though. You could say the same in the other direction too. Everyone wants to play Captain America but we will see if they can hold up to the standards when backed in to a corner. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2696
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Posted - 2012.10.11 22:18:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Skydell wrote:Actually you showed me nothing so far that makes me dislike the system OP. It's all based on a simple premise. Don't break the law. They will also have warning systems in place for these precious noobs you speak of. It's not really going to be possible for a noob to screw up his character using the bounty system. It is truly looking like this will weed out the criminals from the mechanics sploiters. Criminals are actually going to have to lay low and skulk like criminals. Play their character like a common thug, hiding in the shadows. I might even consider it as a career No, that's not true at all. All these changes don't affect *me* in any way and i fly around freely in every highsec system i want, all day long, shooting whatever i want, all day long. What these changes basically do is making every potential criminal a potential Solstice Project, with the problem that most people don't want to play the way i do. This will probably lead to a reduction of crimes in general, which equals a reduction of realism of the sandbox. That, or simply way more people using worthless alts to have fun, knowing that they'll just have to park them in station for 30 days, once ***** starts to get too bad for them to do anything. The most ironic thing is that, if more people would play the way i do, they would shrug these changes off ... ... laughing and thanking CCP for removing the criminal competition. I don't speak for everyone, only myself but I can say I never had an issue with "your kind of people" in EVE. You say you are a true criminal in the game. I support your right to be that. I do like that CCP is calling out the chickenshits though. You could say the same in the other direction too. Everyone wants to play Captain America but we will see if they can hold up to the standards when backed in to a corner.
Eve prefers captain planet! http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/46268_395384383863143_1638645003_n.jpg "A genius throws a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that he's going to die choking in a maze of smoke and flame. A hero drinks a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that if he does a split in midair, he can hit twice as many zombies per kick. Drunk hero wins again, wusses." ~Cracked.com |
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Karrl Tian
Star-Trackers
4
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Posted - 2012.10.11 22:25:00 -
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They just buffed ninjaing. |
Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
330
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Posted - 2012.10.11 22:56:00 -
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I did read somewhere here about errr... risk v reward, no, consequences v actions, errr. no, good v bad, errr.... PvP...
PvP!! THAT's the one I was looking for.
OK. Firstly, can we combine this with removing by exhumer buff? I want to be ganked.
'Cos then I finally get me some payback. I lost countless ships and millions of isk on gank attempts. I did not blame CCP, Concord or the miner. I blamed me for bothering. I made more money.......... mining.
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Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
306
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Posted - 2012.10.11 22:58:00 -
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Karrl Tian wrote:They just buffed ninjaing.
That's the unfortunate side of computer games. In RL if you rob a bank there is that outside chance you will get a way with it. This system pretty much pegs you the nano second you commit the crime. Due to the nature of absolutes in code though, you are either certain to be pegged or certain to get away with it assuming you know what you are doing. Up until now, people were certain to get away with it. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
824
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Posted - 2012.10.11 23:02:00 -
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ISD Suvetar wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: edit: Arguing with ISDs is pointless. They are literally hired to act as CCP heralds. We can get a full-fledged pvp flag tomorrow, and they'll go off about how they have so many more pvp opportunities.
If you want a debate then be civil, my position in ISD is entirely unrelated to my opinion as a 2003 player. Then perhaps you should behave like a professional and stop posting with an ISD character. Oh wait I forgot you guys aren't professionals. |
Sorlac
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.10.11 23:14:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:I wonder what will happen the first time a griefer corp warps 15 pilots to the Jita undock and has all of them go suspect at once. Let me see if I understand the new system properly. A griefer corp has say, 10 combat ships with maybe 100 logi's, 10 assigned to each combat ship. They also have ONE alt who has kill rights on all the combat ships. The griefer corp warps the 10 combat and 100 logi's to the Jita undock. The alt undocks, and activates the kill rights on the 10 combat pilots, making them all Suspects. Now, everyone else on the undock goes mental and starts attacking the combat ships. The combat ships do NOT shoot first, avoiding the Criminal flags, and invoking a Concord response. The logi's all start repping and immediately gain a Suspect flag, and able to be shot. But unless everyone on the undock is organized with neuts and jammers, it is going to be almost impossible to break the tanks of any ship in that griefer corp. Meantime, anyone who has actually attacked a Suspect combat ship is dragged into a Limited Engagement with the Suspect ship they aggressed. If they stick around, they will all die, unless they get organized within the time it takes for the combat ship to blow them out of the sky. Do I have the mechanics understood properly?
If that's the way it works I might actually have to make a trip to Jita. |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
267
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Posted - 2012.10.11 23:19:00 -
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Sounds cool, can't wait for the changes. After years if can flippers saying its a game mechanic deal with it. We can now say, its a game mechanic deal with it oh the joy
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
702
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Posted - 2012.10.11 23:20:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:ISD Suvetar wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: edit: Arguing with ISDs is pointless. They are literally hired to act as CCP heralds. We can get a full-fledged pvp flag tomorrow, and they'll go off about how they have so many more pvp opportunities.
If you want a debate then be civil, my position in ISD is entirely unrelated to my opinion as a 2003 player. Then perhaps you should behave like a professional and stop posting with an ISD character. Oh wait I forgot you guys aren't professionals.
If you have an issue with the way that the ISD are doing things, please feel free to report or petition what they have said. Thank you. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Lt. Commander Community Communication Liasions (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Jim Era
4596
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Posted - 2012.10.11 23:23:00 -
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*harvests tears and runs away. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1602
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Posted - 2012.10.11 23:31:00 -
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Jim Era wrote:*harvests tears and runs away.
*Steals Jims collection and does a Linford Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1063
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Posted - 2012.10.11 23:41:00 -
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ISD Suvetar wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: It's not a fight when you have a suspect flag. Let me know how many kills you get in Jita while being a suspect.
Are you saying that you lose every fight where you get shot first ? I am saying that I lose every fight where I get shot by everyone.
Jim Era wrote:so wait hold on... OP is afraid of a bunch of carebears blowing up their ships?
Really?
I thought everyone was for the whole, lets make eve harder thing. I'm not afraid of anything. I am pointing out the flaws in the system. Like I said before, I very rarely suicide-gank nowadays, so kill rights don't affect me all that much.
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Let me see if I understand the new system properly. A griefer corp has say, 10 combat ships with maybe 100 logi's, 10 assigned to each combat ship.
They also have ONE alt who has kill rights on all the combat ships. The griefer corp warps the 10 combat and 100 logi's to the Jita undock.
The alt undocks, and activates the kill rights on the 10 combat pilots, making them all Suspects. Now, everyone else on the undock goes mental and starts attacking the combat ships. The combat ships do NOT shoot first, avoiding the Criminal flags, and invoking a Concord response. The logi's all start repping and immediately gain a Suspect flag, and able to be shot. But unless everyone on the undock is organized with neuts and jammers, it is going to be almost impossible to break the tanks of any ship in that griefer corp.
Meantime, anyone who has actually attacked a Suspect combat ship is dragged into a Limited Engagement with the Suspect ship they aggressed. If they stick around, they will all die, unless they get organized within the time it takes for the combat ship to blow them out of the sky.
Do I have the mechanics understood properly? Exactly. Like I said in my earlier posts about the suspect flag and can theft in general, the only people who will utilize the new mechanics are those who can field massive logistics blobs to deter anyone who dares to interfere. After the first few weeks where players get adjusted to the changes, this type of gameplay will quickly settle into well-defined cliques, and no one else will have a chance.
Skydell wrote:Actually you showed me nothing so far that makes me dislike the system OP. It's all based on a simple premise. Don't break the law. They will also have warning systems in place for these precious noobs you speak of. It's not really going to be possible for a noob to screw up his character using the bounty system. It is truly looking like this will weed out the criminals from the mechanics sploiters. Criminals are actually going to have to lay low and skulk like criminals. Play their character like a common thug, hiding in the shadows. I might even consider it as a career Yeah, man, totally. Finally EVE will be a safe, lawful place for all hardworking, morally well-adjusted players. Victory for the common man!
I have a feeling that I'll be banned within the first week of when this goes live. While I was gone, I figured out two ways to severely abuse this system, and I'll be taking them directly to the rookie systems at launch. Hey, they shot first. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1602
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Posted - 2012.10.11 23:44:00 -
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That's just asking for a ban, you know rookie systems are like wildlife reserves, and rookies are a protected species, no hunting allowed. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1063
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Posted - 2012.10.11 23:48:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:That's just asking for a ban, you know rookie systems are like wildlife reserves, and rookies are a protected species, no hunting allowed. They shot first. I was just passing through on my way to being a good EVE citizen in Motsu. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
262
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Posted - 2012.10.11 23:53:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:That's just asking for a ban, you know rookie systems are like wildlife reserves, and rookies are a protected species, no hunting allowed. They shot first. I was just passing through on my way to being a good EVE citizen in Motsu.
All absolute seriousness, I urge you not to test the GMs on this point ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1064
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Posted - 2012.10.11 23:55:00 -
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ISD Suvetar wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:That's just asking for a ban, you know rookie systems are like wildlife reserves, and rookies are a protected species, no hunting allowed. They shot first. I was just passing through on my way to being a good EVE citizen in Motsu. All absolute seriousness, I urge you not to test the GMs on this point I don't have all that much to lose. At this point, it's either deathmatch in 0.0, or training for a barge. Other games do deathmatch better, but I'll consider your advice if I'm in the market for a monotony simulator. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1501
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Posted - 2012.10.11 23:56:00 -
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ISD Suvetar wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:That's just asking for a ban, you know rookie systems are like wildlife reserves, and rookies are a protected species, no hunting allowed. They shot first. I was just passing through on my way to being a good EVE citizen in Motsu. All absolute seriousness, I urge you not to test the GMs on this point So in other words if you pass through a rookie system and get engaged by noobs, petition it and don't shoot back?
I'm just looking for clarification, here. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
942
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Posted - 2012.10.11 23:57:00 -
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ISD Suvetar wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: edit: Arguing with ISDs is pointless. They are literally hired to act as CCP heralds. We can get a full-fledged pvp flag tomorrow, and they'll go off about how they have so many more pvp opportunities.
If you want a debate then be civil, my position in ISD is entirely unrelated to my opinion as a 2003 player. Then post with your 2003 char. We're not interested in opinions from ISD. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1064
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Posted - 2012.10.11 23:58:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:ISD Suvetar wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:That's just asking for a ban, you know rookie systems are like wildlife reserves, and rookies are a protected species, no hunting allowed. They shot first. I was just passing through on my way to being a good EVE citizen in Motsu. All absolute seriousness, I urge you not to test the GMs on this point So in other words if you pass through a rookie system and get engaged by noobs, petition it and don't shoot back? I'm just looking for clarification, here. Not to sound mean, but between the changes and the enforcement of said changes, they don't really know what they're doing. I can construct these tactics in such a manner that they'll have to invent a reason to punish me for something entirely arbitrary. Which is in fact what I'm doing right now. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1501
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Posted - 2012.10.12 00:00:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:ISD Suvetar wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:That's just asking for a ban, you know rookie systems are like wildlife reserves, and rookies are a protected species, no hunting allowed. They shot first. I was just passing through on my way to being a good EVE citizen in Motsu. All absolute seriousness, I urge you not to test the GMs on this point So in other words if you pass through a rookie system and get engaged by noobs, petition it and don't shoot back? I'm just looking for clarification, here. Not to sound mean, but between the changes and the enforcement of said changes, they don't really know what they're doing. I can construct these tactics in such a manner that they'll have to invent a reason to punish me for something entirely arbitrary. Which is in fact what I'm doing right now. Doesn't matter. We have an official rep from CCP (unpaid but still) basically implying we can't shoot noobs if we're engaged by them in high-sec rookie systems.
So I want to know, legitimately, do we file a petition instead of shooting back or what? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1785
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Posted - 2012.10.12 00:02:00 -
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I can't believe anybody has a problem with this new bounty system. Its...stupid to complain about it. Look...here is how I see it. You kill someone or attack someone in High Sec then you just flat out stated that you want to fight in High Sec. You just lost your right to ***** like a little priss when other people come after you for a fight. Simple as that. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
stoicfaux
1704
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Posted - 2012.10.12 00:03:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: Firing on someone in high-sec, despite the outcome, will now result in what is essentially a 30-day free-for-all flag on the dirty scumbag. That is, it will result in a month-long prison sentence. Leave the prison, and anyone can shoot you, anywhere, with no warning. Not even a message or a short timer to get ready. Not even a break between collection attempts. They can't even exhaust a finite amount of attempts on the target. All they have to do is accept the kill right, and possibly pay a fee (and I don't imagine too many people will charge fees, considering what this system implies).
Are you really complaining that after having the upper hand in deciding where and when your high-sec victim will die, you don't like it now that the victim has the upper hand in deciding where and when you die?
Karma is a *****. No, strike that. Karma is a virgin, because a ***** is too easy. You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head. Feature Request: -áDamnation Ship Codpiece-áfor the NeX store.
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