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Bart Starr
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
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Posted - 2012.10.12 06:35:00 -
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Now, this isn't a complaint. I want PLEX to be as expensive as possible because I don't think 'perse auki' scrubs should be able to fly for free.
That said, PLEX price surges are easy to explain.
A PLEX is simply a 'gift certificate' for game time. A player pays currency and gets a PLEX.
The PLEX represents a promise from CCP provide 30 days of server resources (or AURUM) to the bearer.
Destruction of PLEX is the equivalent of tearing up these 'gift certificates' - or flushing them down the toilet.
This makes CCP happy because they collected $$$ without having to provide a service. The gift certificate, though paid for, never will be redeemed.
So,
-CCP can create or remove ISK from the game at will. (We know this because of negative ISK accounts reported for RMTers.)
-PLEX are available on the open market for ISK, and CCP can create or destroy alts at will.
CCP simply creates ISK out of thin air, then buys them off the market (injecting ISK into the game), and then trashes them.
Result? PLEX prices go up.
CCP then invites players to buy more PLEX - for those players to sell on the market for ever higher amounts of ISK.
Of course, ISK inflation results as CCP pumps ISK into the system via PLEX buys.
But why would they care? They are earning cash without having to provide valuable 'server resources' for that cash.
All they have to do is provide ISK which is 'free'.....even though it erodes the buying power of everyone 'honestly' playing the game.
Simple. Corrupt. Profitable. And CCP is easily capable of it.
(Remember, this is the same company that quietly provided T2 Blueprints to favored Alliances. Then....BANNED Kugu for discovering the cancer and going public with it.) |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
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Posted - 2012.10.12 06:41:00 -
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They might do that, but I think they're smart enough to know that doing it at anything but a very slow, controlled pace would be pretty dangerous. Still, if they can make a few tens of thousands dollars extra per year, they would. Anyone would.
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Kehro Urgus
Ab Obice Saevior
439
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Posted - 2012.10.12 06:42:00 -
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Someone's going to disappear...
I don't always troll, but when I do I do it on EVE Online forums.
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Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE
Initiative Mercenaries
146
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Posted - 2012.10.12 06:44:00 -
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When I logged in yesterday, there was an advertisement cashing in on the huge rise in plex prices. CCP are loving it. |
Tech3ZH
Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2012.10.12 06:47:00 -
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Note to self; check rye bread for mold. One can never be too careful. |
Mara Rinn
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
1912
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Posted - 2012.10.12 06:47:00 -
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That is a pretty serious allegation.
Let us look at alternative explanations.
First: Open Tournament 2012. Entry can be bought at the auction next weekend, average bid for the closed Alliance Tournament was 34 PLEX. The Open Tournament has $10k on the table, so expect much more interest in entering. Expect PLEX demand to be slightly higher than normal.
Second: People are blitzing FW complexes to make billions of ISK a week. These people are of that level of mental competency that they will shove a half dozen PLEX in the cargo hold of a hurricane flown by a faction militia pilot, and undock with faction targets present.
So we have two extraordinary causes for demand. Then we have the usual market speculators who will buy out PLEX and relist at higher values in the hope that they sell at the higher price.
Now given the above, why does CCP need to engage in any surreptitious market action to acquire PLEX for the sake of destroying them? A few thousand PLEX have been destroyed due to pilots undocking with PLEX in the cargo hold. A few hundreds more PLEX will be destroyed as part of the Open Tournament bidding. Pilots are stock piling PLEX for the usual reasons (non-liquid capital, just-in-case-I-become-unemployed).
Of course your story sounds a whole lot more exciting. But I suspect the Truth is quite mundane.
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Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
335
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Posted - 2012.10.12 06:48:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:When I logged in yesterday, there was an advertisement cashing in on the huge rise in plex prices. CCP are loving it.
The reality of the REAL market behind Eve.
I think a great man once wrote.
Greed is good.
I lost countless ships and millions of isk on gank attempts.
I did not blame CCP, Concord or the miner.
I blamed me for bothering.
I made more money.......... mining.
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Bart Starr
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
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Posted - 2012.10.12 06:52:00 -
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Personally, I think its brilliant.
Completely legal. Probably sustainable....to a point.
All logs that could prove anything are 'in-house', so, short of hacking, its completely invisible to the player base.
And if someone did manage to hack into 'the logs' - that person would be banned and their name forever censored in the forums.
So congrats CCP, as long as you keep inflating ISK levels within the game, you have a license to keep printing 'real currency'.
Just want to make sure the gaming public understands what is happening here. Public service, you understand.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1095
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Posted - 2012.10.12 06:59:00 -
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Tomorrow I'm going to wake up with a little bit of blood on my pillow at ear level. Your post, and your character are going to be completely gone, and I'm going to wonder what the cryptic message I left on a sticky note taped to the back of my monitor means.
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Bart Starr
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
117
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Posted - 2012.10.12 07:02:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:That is a pretty serious allegation.
Let us look at alternative explanations.
First: Open Tournament 2012. Entry can be bought at the auction next weekend, average bid for the closed Alliance Tournament was 34 PLEX. The Open Tournament has $10k on the table, so expect much more interest in entering. Expect PLEX demand to be slightly higher than normal.
Second: People are blitzing FW complexes to make billions of ISK a week. These people are of that level of mental competency that they will shove a half dozen PLEX in the cargo hold of a hurricane flown by a faction militia pilot, and undock with faction targets present.
So we have two extraordinary causes for demand. Then we have the usual market speculators who will buy out PLEX and relist at higher values in the hope that they sell at the higher price.
Now given the above, why does CCP need to engage in any surreptitious market action to acquire PLEX for the sake of destroying them? A few thousand PLEX have been destroyed due to pilots undocking with PLEX in the cargo hold. A few hundreds more PLEX will be destroyed as part of the Open Tournament bidding. Pilots are stock piling PLEX for the usual reasons (non-liquid capital, just-in-case-I-become-unemployed).
Of course your story sounds a whole lot more exciting. But I suspect the Truth is quite mundane.
Allegation? There is no crime here. They have the power to do everything I've described - and do it invisibly.
Its their game, their ISK, their market - we are but the puppets.
Only a few years back, a 90-day GTC was 300M ISK. (3.3M ISK per day)
Today, 600M ISK buys you 30 days of gametime. (20M ISK per day)
Thats some pretty serious inflating right there.
For the naysayers, instead of just trolling, show me where 'they can't' do what I've described - and I'll retract.
"They wouldn't do that" isn't an argument, its naivety - CCP wants to inflate their bottom line, and if they can make 'hard currency' by conjuring up more ISK, they will, in a heartbeat.
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Tinja Soikutsu
Orbital Horizons University
102
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Posted - 2012.10.12 07:02:00 -
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There is not enough tinfoil in the world for this thread... |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
4883
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Posted - 2012.10.12 07:07:00 -
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So your arguments reduce to "they could and I would therefore I have proved they are".
MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Bart Starr
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
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Posted - 2012.10.12 07:16:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:So your arguments reduce to "they could and I would therefore I have proved they are".
Ooookay, perhaps you can demonstrate how....
A) CCP is incapable of doing this?
B) one could prove it without becoming a CCP employee, or hacking (and getting banned)?
C) this does not generate $$$ for CCP. (through reducing server loads by tearing up PLEX, and encouraging more purchases?
D) how CCP isn't motivated by $$$? |
Alice Saki
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Posted - 2012.10.12 07:17:00 -
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White Coats are coming ^_^
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Kehro Urgus
Ab Obice Saevior
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Posted - 2012.10.12 07:18:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:White Coats are coming ^_^
Put him in a straightjacket and give him an enema.
I don't always troll, but when I do I do it on EVE Online forums.
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Heian Galanodel
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.10.12 07:26:00 -
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"Two by two... hands of blue..."
"I've seen things you wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die."-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á -From Blade Runner- |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
347
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Posted - 2012.10.12 07:27:00 -
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Nice, accusing CCP of fraud on their own website with zero proof. This will end well for you. |
Bart Starr
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
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Posted - 2012.10.12 07:29:00 -
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Sure, I understand this doesn't portray CCP in a flattering light.
But thats not my responsibility. I'm not here to kiss-ass, or censor myself because it might make CCP look bad. (We have ISDs for that, right? )
I'm just trying to point out something which has been pretty evident to me for quite some time.
I don't want my fellow pod pilots to dwell in ignorance.
CCP could confiscate every single Titan in the game tomorrow if they wanted.
CCP Soundwave has stated he could flip a switch and make it impossible to target other players in highsec, if he wanted.
Its their universe.
They wouldn't do these things because it would be too visible and many subscriptions would be cancelled.
But if they can get away with something that earns them hard cash, without the player base easily noticing (because they aren't given the tools)....well, why not inflate the ISK economy?
Its called 'plucking the goose with a minimum of hissing'. Do it right and he won't even realize it.
How do you enjoy being naked, silly gooses?
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Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
335
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Posted - 2012.10.12 07:30:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:Nice, accusing CCP of fraud on their own website with zero proof. This will end well for you.
He did admit to being a dickhead in another post earlier.
I thought he was joking.
I lost countless ships and millions of isk on gank attempts.
I did not blame CCP, Concord or the miner.
I blamed me for bothering.
I made more money.......... mining.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1803
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Posted - 2012.10.12 07:33:00 -
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Came to this thread expecting to read about another Kestrel full of PLEX being popped in Jita....
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bufnitza calatoare
Snap Crackle Pop.
AAA Citizens
3
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Posted - 2012.10.12 07:34:00 -
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Bart Starr wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:That is a pretty serious allegation.
Let us look at alternative explanations.
First: Open Tournament 2012. Entry can be bought at the auction next weekend, average bid for the closed Alliance Tournament was 34 PLEX. The Open Tournament has $10k on the table, so expect much more interest in entering. Expect PLEX demand to be slightly higher than normal.
Second: People are blitzing FW complexes to make billions of ISK a week. These people are of that level of mental competency that they will shove a half dozen PLEX in the cargo hold of a hurricane flown by a faction militia pilot, and undock with faction targets present.
So we have two extraordinary causes for demand. Then we have the usual market speculators who will buy out PLEX and relist at higher values in the hope that they sell at the higher price.
Now given the above, why does CCP need to engage in any surreptitious market action to acquire PLEX for the sake of destroying them? A few thousand PLEX have been destroyed due to pilots undocking with PLEX in the cargo hold. A few hundreds more PLEX will be destroyed as part of the Open Tournament bidding. Pilots are stock piling PLEX for the usual reasons (non-liquid capital, just-in-case-I-become-unemployed).
Of course your story sounds a whole lot more exciting. But I suspect the Truth is quite mundane. Allegation? There is no crime here. They have the power to do everything I've described - and do it invisibly. Its their game, their ISK, their market - we are but the puppets. Only a few years back, a 90-day GTC was 300M ISK. (3.3M ISK per day)
Today, 600M ISK buys you 30 days of gametime. (20M ISK per day)
Thats some pretty serious inflating right there.
For the naysayers, instead of just trolling, show me where 'they can't' do what I've described - and I'll retract. "They wouldn't do that" isn't an argument, its naivety - CCP wants to inflate their bottom line, and if they can make 'hard currency' by conjuring up more ISK, they will, in a heartbeat.
erm try 90m for 30 days and 270m for 90 days... those were the days to be playing for free. |
Bart Starr
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
117
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Posted - 2012.10.12 07:36:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:Nice, accusing CCP of fraud on their own website with zero proof. This will end well for you.
Never accused them of 'fraud'.
Its hardly illegal for CCP to
1. Create ISK
2. Buy PLEX
3. Trash PLEX.
Perhaps a bit morally corrupt....but certainly no laws were broken.
I also stated that
A) I can't prove anything because I don't have access to those kinds of records.
B) if I did manage to prove it, I'd be banned for illegally gaining access to company databases. Convenient for CCP, yes? |
Kinis Deren
EVE University
Ivy League
68
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Posted - 2012.10.12 07:40:00 -
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OP's suggestion is not impossible, but I regard it as highly unlikely. OP assumes that players will keep spending RL cash or spend increasing amounts of time grinding ISK to obtain PLEX. The more likely outcome is that players will let subscriptions lapse on their additional accounts and thus reduce CCP revenue in the long term.
I believe Mara's post above is much more likely to explain the current situation with PLEX. |
coolzero
The Replicators
Li3 Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.10.12 07:53:00 -
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Bart Starr wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:Nice, accusing CCP of fraud on their own website with zero proof. This will end well for you. Never accused them of 'fraud'. Its hardly illegal for CCP to 1. Create ISK 2. Buy PLEX 3. Trash PLEX. Perhaps a bit morally corrupt....but certainly no laws were broken. I also stated that A) I can't prove anything because I don't have access to those kinds of records. B) if I did manage to prove it, I'd be banned for illegally gaining access to company databases. Convenient for CCP, yes?
the FED does this all the time
1. create money from thin air
2. bailout the banks/bad depts/AAA junk
3 trash the economy
legal..maby, morally right...no
given ccp is from iceland they learned the hard way not to do this :)
so no i dont think CCP is doing this, it more that CCP left some holes open to long whereby people could amass a looot of isk and people buying plex for it becuase once you get all the isk you ever want plex is a good investment(like gold in RL)
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9859
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Posted - 2012.10.12 08:01:00 -
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Insane troll logic or Poe's law? Hard to tellGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Fatal Ascension
1534
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Posted - 2012.10.12 08:03:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Insane troll logic or Poe's law? Hard to tellGǪ
It's not paranoia if they're really out to get you(r money). 
He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller.
-Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Soon Shin
Caucasian Culture Club
Transmission Lost
162
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Posted - 2012.10.12 08:06:00 -
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Very incriminating, but it can certainly be a possibility. After all, we cannot possibly know what is going behind the doors of CCP.
It would not be ridiculous that suggest this is true and but there is no way to prove it.
I personally think the bigger cause is speculation. PLEXes rose up rapidly with the anticipation of Incarna, after the great disappointment and riots, PLEX prices fell back to normal levels.
CCP has made a tournament that requires 20 PLEX to be selected for a spot, for a measly 6000 dollars at most that must be shared with the team.
The tournament is a driving factor of speculation that causes sellers to drive up PLEX prices.
The hysteria that comes from the rapid increasing of PLEX prices encourages a further increasing of prices.
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tib0
korpa pYco
The Garden of Eden Creation KIt
2
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Posted - 2012.10.12 08:13:00 -
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interesting idea....can be done, but i dont think so....it would be counter-productive for CCP because expensive PLEX --> too expensive for new players to get --> no new players --> dead eve... |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
159
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Posted - 2012.10.12 08:14:00 -
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Well it is pretty clear that CCP is running the Mother of all Scams for quite a while, isn-¦t it? |
Soon Shin
Caucasian Culture Club
Transmission Lost
162
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Posted - 2012.10.12 08:15:00 -
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tib0 wrote:interesting idea....can be done, but i dont think so....it would be counter-productive for CCP because expensive PLEX --> too expensive for new players to get --> no new players --> dead eve...
I believe this is only temporary if it were the case, the PLEX bubble will pop and prices will come crashing back down as it comes to the point where people will simply go inactive rather than buy plex. |
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