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Atomyc'al
BACKFIRE Squad
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:24:00 -
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Story: Hello, I am an old eve player, I have 3 accounts... and less and less time to play due to work. I do love the game, I have never paid with real money because the work that i do hardly brings enough money to survive / pay bills.
Problem: PLEX prices went mad.
1'st possibility: PLEX prices remain the same. CCP gains lots of $ in a short time. Game gets frustrating; less and less appealing to others like me. Players start quitting EVE. Only those with too much time and too much money remain in game. At one point they will not be enough to populate the huge world of New Eden. Game will become less appealing to them too. (don't have actual statistics but I have noticed that the number of players has already decreased from what I have been used to)
2'nd possibility: CCP develops a strategy to counteract 1'st possibility. Makes the game fun to play again. Rekindles the spark that makes us log in every time. The first step to do so would be to drop the PLEX prices. But they shouldn't stop there. The game still needs improvements if it is to survive a market with games like World of Tanks and what not...
Conclusion. I realy hope something will be done, as I will soon run out of ISK and time, and I will probably join my other friends (that have already left the world of EVE for the one in WoT). This is MY view of things. Don't know if it's from the right angle or not, but i do feel that others are exactly in my situation.
PLEASE SAVE EVE. |
Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:26:00 -
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3rd possibility: Should've bought a bunch of PLEX when they were low, so you wouldn't have to care for price movements for the next few years. It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
MinerBumping.com |
Kehro Urgus
Ab Obice Saevior
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:26:00 -
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Eve needs communism. I don't always troll, but when I do I do it on EVE Online forums.
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
119
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:27:00 -
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Oh noes, Eve is dying! I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Atomyc'al
BACKFIRE Squad
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:29:00 -
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3'rd possibility is not available anymore. But boy I miss the days when i was searching all over for a PLEX at 320 when they were 330, and that was too high for me. |
Ronix Aideron
OSIRIS-REx
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:30:00 -
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I am stepping way out on a limb with this comment, but here is my two cents.
Why would CCP want to taylor toward players that do not spend real money? You are basically asking for market manipulation so you can continue to play for free. If you can't afford PLEX with ISK then save up ISK or focus on your priorities in real life. As a new player $10 a month for EVE is about the least expensive entertainment I have access to.
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Renton Brax
Crimson Cell
10
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:34:00 -
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Yes lets make PLEX cheaper so we can all continue to play for free, I mean, like, CCP doesn't have overheads right? EVE is a charity right? |
Ignatius Leopardi
The CodeX Alliance Executive Holdings Corporation The CodeX Alliance
10
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:35:00 -
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I am relatively new to EVE and have seen several threads like this, and so naturally I am curious.
Some of the general themes I've seen about the economy, include:
(and of course the no-economic litany, High Sec=bad, Carebears=limp-wristed pond scum., yadda, yadda, yadda)
Has there been a broad evaluation of the IG economy, and if so, what does it look like? If ISK is easy to get, and I guess I'd have to agree that at this early stage it is skills and not ISK that keeps me from flying what I'd like, then what difference does it make that costs have gone up?
These are honest questions, and I'd be glad to learn folks' thoughts on them. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:37:00 -
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Renton Brax wrote:Yes lets make PLEX cheaper so we can all continue to play for free, I mean, like, CCP doesn't have overheads right? EVE is a charity right? Someone paid real money to put that PLEX on the market. CCP got paid.
Dual Pane idea: Click!
CCP Please Implement |
Atomyc'al
BACKFIRE Squad
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:40:00 -
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Ronix Aideron wrote:I am stepping way out on a limb with this comment, but here is my two cents.
Why would CCP want to taylor toward players that do not spend real money? You are basically asking for market manipulation so you can continue to play for free. If you can't afford PLEX with ISK then save up ISK or focus on your priorities in real life. As a new player $10 a month for EVE is about the least expensive entertainment I have access to.
Why would CCP help players that don't spend money? Because they are the ones you go out and want to kill. Because they are working hard for their isk so they can pay their PLEX, well... mainly because THEY ARE PLAYING. If all those that won't pay, quit... what will you do when you search 3-4 low-sec's and you find no one to kill ? |
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BobFenner
Black Hole Runners
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:43:00 -
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OK. If ISK is easy to get how can PLEX'es be too expensive? My missus thinks of EvE as 'the other woman'. :) |
Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
148
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:43:00 -
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Well the whole game is about causing as much destruction as possible. If there were some way to destroy the whole of EvE, I'd probably find that quite exciting. I fully support any movement that leads to the absolute death of EvE. Hopefully it will be a very bloody and glorious death, not a boring 'old age, natural causes' death like other MMOs. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
119
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:44:00 -
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Ignatius Leopardi wrote: Has there been a broad evaluation of the IG economy, and if so, what does it look like? If ISK is easy to get, and I guess I'd have to agree that at this early stage it is skills and not ISK that keeps me from flying what I'd like, then what difference does it make that costs have gone up?
These are honest questions, and I'd be glad to learn folks' thoughts on them.
All those threads are from same breed as threads about "solo pvp is dead", "I got ganked and will unsub all my 188 accounts", etc. Basically much noise from least qualified to have a say about anything.
PLEX price didn't change, year ago I paid 17.95 euro for it, and it still costs same today. Of course you can get more pixels for it right now but RL price didn't change. And anybody who goes postal about how many pixels he has to shoot with other pixels to afford having more pixels... Well, it is a game - you should stop play it when you have no fun out of it. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:44:00 -
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CCP don't control the market price of plex. |
Atomyc'al
BACKFIRE Squad
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:46:00 -
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BobFenner wrote:OK. If ISK is easy to get how can PLEX'es be too expensive?
he is probably referring to the fact that people in highly organised corporations, make tons of isk in areas where a beginner or a single player won't stand a chance. |
Myrkala
Royal Robot Ponies Happy Cartel
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:46:00 -
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BobFenner wrote:OK. If ISK is easy to get how can PLEX'es be too expensive?
Its because the numbers are higher than they used to be! |
Aziesta
Sathainn Braithrean Cartel Apocalypse Now.
64
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:50:00 -
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Atomyc'al wrote:Hello, I am an old eve player, I have 3 accounts... and less and less time to play due to work. I do love the game, I have never paid with real money because the work that i do hardly brings enough money to survive / pay bills. Option 3: You downgrade to the number of accounts you can afford. |
Atomyc'al
BACKFIRE Squad
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:55:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:CCP don't control the market price of plex.
oh but they do, see:
-plex offers -account offers (where you pay 3 plexes and get 90 days for free on a new account, The power of two) -major tournaments which require 20+ PLEXes to enter. |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
618
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Posted - 2012.10.12 12:00:00 -
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Ronix Aideron wrote:I am stepping way out on a limb with this comment, but here is my two cents.
Why would CCP want to taylor toward players that do not spend real money? You are basically asking for market manipulation so you can continue to play for free. If you can't afford PLEX with ISK then save up ISK or focus on your priorities in real life. As a new player $10 a month for EVE is about the least expensive entertainment I have access to.
doesn't matter , someone else paid for that month of gametime with real money ,
but yes plex prices are completely out of control , and i really feel sorry for the people who use them to extend their gametime
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Ronix Aideron
OSIRIS-REx
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Posted - 2012.10.12 12:01:00 -
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Atomyc'al wrote: Why would CCP help players that don't spend money? Because they are the ones you go out and want to kill. Because they are working hard for their isk so they can pay their PLEX, well... mainly because THEY ARE PLAYING. If all those that won't pay, quit... what will you do when you search 3-4 low-sec's and you find no one to kill ?
This logic makes no sense. All players of EVE play the game not just the people who can afford to buy PLEX via ISK.
I am not advocating having all of the players within EVE quit. I was just saying that your options seem to suggest that CCP should manipulate the market so it is easier to purchase PLEX with ISK. There are plenty of free MMO's that will allow you to play without having to subscribe or put money into the game.
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Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2012.10.12 12:04:00 -
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I don't always post on the EVE forums, but when I do it's in a whiny 'EVE is dieing' thread.
Dude, just get a RL job if you can't afford plex. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
1045
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Posted - 2012.10.12 12:04:00 -
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@OP:
There comes a time where paying $15 a month is worth more than the time you'd invest grinding for a PLEX.
You need to decide when that time is instead of coming here to complain on the forums.
If you cannot afford $15 a month to play EVE, you should re-address your life and probably shouldn't be playing it in the first place. Dual Pane idea: Click!
CCP Please Implement |
Josef Djugashvilis
679
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Posted - 2012.10.12 12:15:00 -
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Kehro Urgus wrote:Eve needs communism.
I agree, especially my brand of Communism. This is not a signature. |
AndromacheDarkstar
Fiscal Fisting Inc. Imperial Protectorate
120
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Posted - 2012.10.12 12:16:00 -
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Ronix Aideron wrote:I am stepping way out on a limb with this comment, but here is my two cents.
Why would CCP want to taylor toward players that do not spend real money? You are basically asking for market manipulation so you can continue to play for free. If you can't afford PLEX with ISK then save up ISK or focus on your priorities in real life. As a new player $10 a month for EVE is about the least expensive entertainment I have access to.
Common sense speaks again, PLEX is not a right. Really you should be paying -ú10 a month to play and if you can afford a plex go for it. Your not entitled to them and they are part of the joy of a player run economy, one of the things that makes eve so special Fiscal Fisting, Amarr Militia Corp Recruiting Now - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161199&find=unread-á |
Robert De'Arneth
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Posted - 2012.10.12 12:22:00 -
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*plays a small violin for the op* waaaaa waaaaaa waaaaa, ccp should not ever stop the player run economy, to even suggest such a thing would force real paying customers to quit. The kind of customers who buy plex so your no paying ass can play. Deal with the prices or move on. You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |
zzlep Alduin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.10.12 12:24:00 -
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Atomyc'al wrote:Story: Hello, I am an old eve player, I have 3 accounts... and less and less time to play due to work. I do love the game, I have never paid with real money because the work that i do hardly brings enough money to survive / pay bills.
Problem: PLEX prices went mad.
1'st possibility: PLEX prices remain the same. CCP gains lots of $ in a short time. Game gets frustrating; less and less appealing to others like me. Players start quitting EVE. Only those with too much time and too much money remain in game. At one point they will not be enough to populate the huge world of New Eden. Game will become less appealing to them too. (don't have actual statistics but I have noticed that the number of players has already decreased from what I have been used to)
2'nd possibility: CCP develops a strategy to counteract 1'st possibility. Makes the game fun to play again. Rekindles the spark that makes us log in every time. The first step to do so would be to drop the PLEX prices. But they shouldn't stop there. The game still needs improvements if it is to survive a market with games like World of Tanks and what not...
Conclusion. I realy hope something will be done, as I will soon run out of ISK and time, and I will probably join my other friends (that have already left the world of EVE for the one in WoT). This is MY view of things. Don't know if it's from the right angle or not, but i do feel that others are exactly in my situation.
PLEASE SAVE EVE.
LOL dude - As much as plex is hurting me at the moment there comes a time when its not just the right thing to do and buy a plex - its expected of you if you LOVE THE GAME that much... |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
263
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Posted - 2012.10.12 12:29:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Renton Brax wrote:Yes lets make PLEX cheaper so we can all continue to play for free, I mean, like, CCP doesn't have overheads right? EVE is a charity right? Someone paid real money to put that PLEX on the market. CCP got paid. But if CCP magically lowered the in game value for PLEX it would also reduce the incentive for that 'Someone' to splash out cash for more PLEX to put on the market.
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Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1573
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Posted - 2012.10.12 12:32:00 -
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BobFenner wrote:OK. If ISK is easy to get how can PLEX'es be too expensive? It's because of ISK is easy to get that the PLEX prices goes through the roof. Higher prices won't hold unless people can actually afford to buy them and that doesn't mean 'everyone'. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |
BobFenner
Black Hole Runners
34
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Posted - 2012.10.12 12:41:00 -
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I really think its a pointless post. If you can't afford to run three accounts with real life money then don't. If you haven't got the time to grind ISK for PLEX for three accounts then don't.
Unsub a couple of accounts, save yourself some money and or grinding time and ENJOY the damn GAME for god sake!! My missus thinks of EvE as 'the other woman'. :) |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
823
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Posted - 2012.10.12 12:46:00 -
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Either get a job so you can afford all of your interests, or stop paying for adult sites. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
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