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Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.13 23:01:00 -
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Anyone who thinks so is a communist
Quote: Liberation of Yestadan complete From: CONCORD Sent: 2012.10.13 13:57
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Yestadan has been freed from the invading Sansha forces. Your efforts in this matter have not gone unnoticed and we are awarding you loyalty points. More details can be found in the Journal.
In addition, we wish to honor the following pilots, whose individual contribution exceeded everyone else:
1 Tim fromaccounting 315915 2 Miyoko Asukai 315915 3 Robaeus Invictus 299831 4 BaT21 255360 5 FiercelessTiger 250292 6 Mischka C 234272 7 Staples Optima 223518 8 Katarina Musana 215180 9 jugshot 203839
CONCORD
Now for some math. It's amazing how people cringe and get defensive when you have math to back up your claims.
Lets assume for the sake of argument that "Tim fromaccounting" was present at all the incursion fleets that happened in this constellation. He would have gotten about 8400 LP per incursion (TVP attempts to go for consistency by running the same sites as much as possible) so we can figure he did about 37 incursions.
Thanks to TVP's efficiency and standardization he probably made about 31m isk per incursion so he made 1.1 BILLION isk from this particular incursion set.
Now it takes an average of 39 people to run an incursion in TVP, so we can multiply that by 39 and discover that 45.5 BILLION isk was injected into the butt cheeks of the EVE economy from THIS ONE SET OF INCURSIONS!
I believe there is no evidence that incursions are inflationary for LP and ISK |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
233
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Posted - 2012.10.13 23:03:00 -
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
849
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Posted - 2012.10.13 23:24:00 -
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Communism is the best form of government. If only humans were capable of running it properly. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1329
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Posted - 2012.10.13 23:27:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Communism is the best form of government. If only humans were capable of running it properly. Yeah... in fact, humans seem to be responsible for most of the "bad" governments rather than the government type.
Maybe we should give in now and just let the cats rule. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
1921
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Posted - 2012.10.13 23:45:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Anyone who thinks so is a communist GǪ Lets assume for the sake of argument that "Tim fromaccounting" was present at all the incursion fleets that happened in this constellation. He would have gotten about 8400 LP per incursion (TVP attempts to go for consistency by running the same sites as much as possible) so we can figure he did about 37 incursions. Thanks to TVP's efficiency and standardization he probably made about 31m isk per incursion so he made 1.1 BILLION isk from this particular incursion set.
How long did it take to run each site?
How much downtime was there waiting for new pilots as people went to bed, got disconnected or otherwise interrupted the fleet?
From the time he started looking for a fleet to the time he finished for that session, what was his average ISK/hr?
How much of the ISK earned in incursions is going to be burned up by purchasing items from LP stores?
How much time do these people spend waiting for a fleet?
Come back to us when you have the answers to these questions and perhaps you will be able to figure out for yourself that incursions are no longer the ISK flood they were back when spamming 2-minute OTAs all day was the highest ISK/hr occupation for spaceship pilots.
Now contrast this income that requires large organised groups to the income from running havens and sanctums in a fighter assisted tengu, in the perfect safety of a nullsec blue shield.
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University Minmatar Republic
335
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Posted - 2012.10.13 23:47:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Anyone who thinks so is a communist GǪ Lets assume for the sake of argument that "Tim fromaccounting" was present at all the incursion fleets that happened in this constellation. He would have gotten about 8400 LP per incursion (TVP attempts to go for consistency by running the same sites as much as possible) so we can figure he did about 37 incursions. Thanks to TVP's efficiency and standardization he probably made about 31m isk per incursion so he made 1.1 BILLION isk from this particular incursion set. How long did it take to run each site? How much downtime was there waiting for new pilots as people went to bed, got disconnected or otherwise interrupted the fleet? From the time he started looking for a fleet to the time he finished for that session, what was his average ISK/hr? How much of the ISK earned in incursions is going to be burned up by purchasing items from LP stores? How much time do these people spend waiting for a fleet? Come back to us when you have the answers to these questions and perhaps you will be able to figure out for yourself that incursions are no longer the ISK flood they were back when spamming 2-minute OTAs all day was the highest ISK/hr occupation for spaceship pilots. Now contrast this income that requires large organised groups to the income from running havens and sanctums in a fighter assisted tengu, in the perfect safety of a nullsec blue shield.
Pffft, I was there. It took at most 20 minutes per site and that most was because the FC botched the targeting order and made something spawn too soon. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1016
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Posted - 2012.10.13 23:53:00 -
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wait till timfromaccounting discovers FW a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
adopt
No Ducks Allowed Disaster Strikes
443
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Posted - 2012.10.14 00:12:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Anyone who thinks so is a communist GǪ Lets assume for the sake of argument that "Tim fromaccounting" was present at all the incursion fleets that happened in this constellation. He would have gotten about 8400 LP per incursion (TVP attempts to go for consistency by running the same sites as much as possible) so we can figure he did about 37 incursions. Thanks to TVP's efficiency and standardization he probably made about 31m isk per incursion so he made 1.1 BILLION isk from this particular incursion set. How long did it take to run each site? How much downtime was there waiting for new pilots as people went to bed, got disconnected or otherwise interrupted the fleet? From the time he started looking for a fleet to the time he finished for that session, what was his average ISK/hr? How much of the ISK earned in incursions is going to be burned up by purchasing items from LP stores? How much time do these people spend waiting for a fleet? Come back to us when you have the answers to these questions and perhaps you will be able to figure out for yourself that incursions are no longer the ISK flood they were back when spamming 2-minute OTAs all day was the highest ISK/hr occupation for spaceship pilots. Now contrast this income that requires large organised groups to the income from running havens and sanctums in a fighter assisted tengu, in the perfect safety of a nullsec blue shield. Pffft, I was there. It took at most 20 minutes per site and that most was because the FC botched the targeting order and made something spawn too soon. Oh yeah I only waited for a fleet of 10 minutes.
I remember back in my day, we did those in 15 minutes flat, your ISK/Hour is nothing bro~ Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled.
FREE XOLVE ~ THE HERO TEST NEEDS |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
384
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Posted - 2012.10.14 00:41:00 -
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Now lets take the stats from CCP Diagoras on payouts from last Febuary & compare them to the presentday payouts per month & what do we get? CCP Soundwave admitting CCP broke Incursions It'll be interesting to see3 what Dr E says about the popularity & success of Incursions pre & post Escalation next fanfest Nostalgie ist die Faehigkeit, darueber zu trauern, dass es nicht mehr so ist, wie es frueher nicht gewesen ist. -- Manfred Rommel-á |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5144
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Posted - 2012.10.14 01:10:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Now contrast this income that requires large organised groups to the income from running havens and sanctums in a fighter assisted tengu, in the perfect safety of a nullsec blue shield.
maybe you should come to nullsec and run havens and sanctums in a fighter assisted tengu in the "perfect safety" of the nullsec "blue shield"
lol This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5144
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Posted - 2012.10.14 01:11:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Incursions now inject maybe 1.5 trillion per month in payouts WormHole blue loot is still upwards of 9 trillion ISK per month Bounties probably close to 38-40 trillion per month.
unlike incursions there is actual risk in wormholes and 'bounties' includes everything from shooting frigate rats in newbie missions to killing battleship rats in nullsec
hth This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
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Toshiroma McDiesel
Lupus Draconis Dragehund
43
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Posted - 2012.10.14 01:25:00 -
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Andski wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Incursions now inject maybe 1.5 trillion per month in payouts WormHole blue loot is still upwards of 9 trillion ISK per month Bounties probably close to 38-40 trillion per month. unlike incursions there is actual risk in wormholes and 'bounties' includes everything from shooting frigate rats in newbie missions to killing battleship rats in nullsec hth
But that would be off topic (yeah, troll thread, but still off topic) as in that risk has nothing to do with ISK inflation.
I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service. |
Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
57
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Posted - 2012.10.14 01:49:00 -
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SOMEONE has to PvE to pay all those ISK sinks. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
167
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Posted - 2012.10.14 02:28:00 -
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Posting in hidden incursions advertisement for noobs thread.
P. S. There are ~ 100 people farming incursions at any given moment of time(40 ppl fleet of TVP + smaller fleets in ISN, GIP, TDF, DIN) who getting ~ 50mil ISK per hour. That's ridiculous compared to thousands of people involved into null-sec ratting @ 50-90mil / hour in bounties. |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
719
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Posted - 2012.10.14 02:39:00 -
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I don't know WH or Incursions, But I thought that stuff was lp and salvage. My understanding is lp and salvage can be exchanged for stuff that can be sold for ISk. Injecting ISK would be bounties from rats and missions, right? Wait what's the point of this thread. I'm out. Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient. Nerf it cause I can't fly it. I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1575
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Posted - 2012.10.14 02:42:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Posting in hidden incursions advertisement for noobs thread.
P. S. There are ~ 100 people farming incursions at any given moment of time(40 ppl fleet of TVP + smaller fleets in ISN, GIP, TDF, DIN) who getting ~ 50mil ISK per hour. That's ridiculous compared to thousands of people involved into null-sec ratting @ 50-90mil / hour in bounties. and still far nothing compared to the more ridiculous thousands of people involved in hi-sec mission running.... "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
456
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Posted - 2012.10.14 02:51:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:Lipbite wrote:Posting in hidden incursions advertisement for noobs thread.
P. S. There are ~ 100 people farming incursions at any given moment of time(40 ppl fleet of TVP + smaller fleets in ISN, GIP, TDF, DIN) who getting ~ 50mil ISK per hour. That's ridiculous compared to thousands of people involved into null-sec ratting @ 50-90mil / hour in bounties. and still far nothing compared to the more ridiculous thousands of people involved in hi-sec mission running....
of course the high sec mission runners are making much less than 50M isk/h on average.
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Michael1995
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
35
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Posted - 2012.10.14 02:56:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: EDIT: Yes that was sarcasm. Incursions are terrifyingly efficient at destroying the economy.
Oh good, I thought you were serious for a moment there. One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
384
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Posted - 2012.10.14 02:59:00 -
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Michael1995 wrote:Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote: EDIT: Yes that was sarcasm. Incursions are terrifyingly efficient at destroying the economy.
Oh good, I thought you were serious for a moment there.
You want to see something that is "terrifyingly efficient at destroying" a market just look at FACTION WARFARE & THE IMPLANTS MARKET Especially the attribute 'plant deflation & the reduced ISK sinks per item of this inelastic demand. Nostalgie ist die Faehigkeit, darueber zu trauern, dass es nicht mehr so ist, wie es frueher nicht gewesen ist. -- Manfred Rommel-á |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
1922
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Posted - 2012.10.14 03:13:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Pffft, I was there. It took at most 20 minutes per site GǪ
Oh yeah I only waited for a fleet of 10 minutes.
You need to recalibrate your clock. Use an actual clock next time, not your innate sense of the passing of time.
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Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1575
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Posted - 2012.10.14 03:21:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote:Lipbite wrote:Posting in hidden incursions advertisement for noobs thread.
P. S. There are ~ 100 people farming incursions at any given moment of time(40 ppl fleet of TVP + smaller fleets in ISN, GIP, TDF, DIN) who getting ~ 50mil ISK per hour. That's ridiculous compared to thousands of people involved into null-sec ratting @ 50-90mil / hour in bounties. and still far nothing compared to the more ridiculous thousands of people involved in hi-sec mission running.... of course the high sec mission runners are making much less than 50M isk/h on average. oh and you think the average nullsec ratter doesn't? and what sort of average we talking about here? all people doing hisec missions including L1-L3s? last but not least, people do get blown up from time to time ratting, and that doesn't happen rarely. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |
Opertone
Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
130
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Posted - 2012.10.14 04:10:00 -
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ISK needs to be created along with real items.
You know all that monetary mass injected can be offset if a carrier/mother ship or something worth 20 bill isk drops from the incursions.
Only problem - possibly not all LP is converted in real items. ISKs are printed items do not follow at the same pace.
It is easy to balance out, just make high and medium value items more accessible. As if foreseeing the excessive monetary inflation empire sets up extra NPC ship assembly lines and starts rewarding with prebuilt Navy Ships.
(Inflation in Incursion may only happen because incursion pilots are focused on combat and have trouble generating enough material stuff)
If CCP can notice this, they can simplify item acquisition in incursions. Which may balance out ISK/material rate.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
1923
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Posted - 2012.10.14 04:37:00 -
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Opertone wrote:If CCP can notice this, they can simplify item acquisition in incursions. Which may balance out ISK/material rate.
So you want CCP to counter the ISK inflation by reintroducing mining with guns?
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
936
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Posted - 2012.10.14 12:35:00 -
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PvE activities all across eve should be reworked to give out less ISK and more 'stuff '. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
814
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Posted - 2012.10.14 12:49:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Anyone who thinks so is a communist Quote: Liberation of Yestadan complete From: CONCORD Sent: 2012.10.13 13:57
[REDACTED]
Yestadan has been freed from the invading Sansha forces. Your efforts in this matter have not gone unnoticed and we are awarding you loyalty points. More details can be found in the Journal.
In addition, we wish to honor the following pilots, whose individual contribution exceeded everyone else:
1 Tim fromaccounting 315915 2 Miyoko Asukai 315915 3 Robaeus Invictus 299831 4 BaT21 255360 5 FiercelessTiger 250292 6 Mischka C 234272 7 Staples Optima 223518 8 Katarina Musana 215180 9 jugshot 203839
CONCORD
Now for some math. It's amazing how people cringe and get defensive when you have math to back up your claims. Lets assume for the sake of argument that "Tim fromaccounting" was present at all the incursion fleets that happened in this constellation. He would have gotten about 8400 LP per incursion (TVP attempts to go for consistency by running the same sites as much as possible) so we can figure he did about 37 incursions. Thanks to TVP's efficiency and standardization he probably made about 31m isk per incursion so he made 1.1 BILLION isk from this particular incursion set. Now it takes an average of 39 people to run an incursion in TVP, so we can multiply that by 39 and discover that 45.5 BILLION isk was injected into the butt cheeks of the EVE economy from THIS ONE SET OF INCURSIONS! I believe there is no evidence that incursions are inflationary for LP and ISK EDIT: Yes that was sarcasm. Incursions are terrifyingly efficient at destroying the economy.
How much harmful for the game are player activities than in game fake bad manipulated economics? -nothing because one injects and brings to "some" prosperity and the other is just a subversion and manipulating tool.
Play a dam game and have fun or get mad at pixels and numbers because you have nothing else. Take your pick. brb |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1813
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Posted - 2012.10.14 13:45:00 -
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If we just had ways to deal with these people ...
I oh so much wished there was a way to make people lose ships, or make them dock up and hide so they can't do what they do ...
Why can't this game be an open world combat game, where people have ways to shoot each other and make the life of others miserable ... Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
55
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Posted - 2012.10.14 13:45:00 -
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CONCORD should stop printing money.
By the way, where are ISKs from aur taxes?!
Seriously, why they didn't move all incursions to Null and low sec? It makes more sense to invade low security systems. Red Maiden: People actually play with WiS off? Why? It's really well done, and adds an excellent layer of immersion in the game. Plus, my character's ass is out of this world and I like looking at it. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
814
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Posted - 2012.10.14 13:50:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:CONCORD should stop printing money. By the way, where are ISKs from aur taxes?! Seriously, why they didn't move all incursions to Null and low sec? It makes more sense to invade low security systems.
Concord should start taxing station sitting trading alts, this would be good for the game and get a god bunch of isk out of the game
brb |
Kinis Deren
EVE University Ivy League
70
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Posted - 2012.10.14 13:59:00 -
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Well, as CCP Recurve pointed out herehttp://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9115 the ISK from all bounties was ~ x3 as high as that paid from incursions (the interesting figure in this whole argument would be the proportional split, by sec status, of bounty payments - I have also seen the following quotes: CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" CCP Recurve "However, Incursions are not the biggest ISK faucet, bounties are" but I'm afraid I don't have the primary sources)
In terms of inflation, don't you think CCP Recurve's Velocity of Money is still the underlying factor, especially when driven by FW LP farming? |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
384
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Posted - 2012.10.14 15:28:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:Well, as CCP Recurve pointed out here the ISK from all bounties was ~ x3 as high as that paid from incursions ?
THAT WAS THE PRE-ESCALATION PAYOUTS!!! Now post escalation bounties are paying out x25 as high. (Incursions ~1.5 trillion a month, Bounties between 38-42 trillion a month , & Worm hole blue loot is still around 9 trillion a month ) Nostalgie ist die Faehigkeit, darueber zu trauern, dass es nicht mehr so ist, wie es frueher nicht gewesen ist. -- Manfred Rommel-á |
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