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Kehro Urgus
Ab Obice Saevior
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Posted - 2012.10.16 17:56:00 -
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We've all heard cases of cyberbullying which often end tragically. In this case a young girl committed suicide last week and the outrage against her tormentor(s) that followed has attracted the attention of people that could turn the table on the misfit.
Full story here
This disgusting little coward hid behind the anonymity of the internet and basically tormented a troubled girl into taking her life. Now he's no longer "anonymous".
I don't always troll, but when I do I do it on EVE Online forums.
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Jim Era
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Posted - 2012.10.16 17:58:00 -
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maybe she shouldn't have been searching for acceptance on the internet |
Bane Necran
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Posted - 2012.10.16 18:07:00 -
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I don't think all the blame is his. He may have been the sociopath who kept manipulating people and turning them against her, but the people who he manipulated are just as bad if not worse for allowing themselves to be used like that. People like him would be powerless if other people weren't so goddamned stupid and easily led.
I'm glad he's getting some comeuppance, but i just know he'll become the scapegoat and everyone else will be let off the hook. Whole thing just makes me sick.
In a way, he's a bit like Charles Manson. Just sitting back and getting other people to do his evil bidding. And look at how we all (kind of) pity the people he manipulated, and treat him like the most evil person ever, when he didn't actually do anything himself. There needs to be more accountability for those who go along with such things, instead of letting them just blame the person who put the idea in their head. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Kehro Urgus
Ab Obice Saevior
468
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Posted - 2012.10.16 18:16:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:I don't think all the blame is his. He may have been the sociopath who kept manipulating people and turning them against her, but the people who he manipulated are just as bad if not worse for allowing themselves to be used like that. People like him would be powerless if other people weren't so goddamned stupid and easily led.
I'm glad he's getting some comeuppance, but i just know he'll become the scapegoat and everyone else will be let off the hook. Whole thing just makes me sick.
The RCMP are pursuing charges against numerous people. There was this other douche who set up a Facebook page just to troll the issue and later complained to the media during in interview that in essence he's the victim after recieving threats. Free speech for sure but that doesn't mean you don't deserve the response it gets. I don't always troll, but when I do I do it on EVE Online forums.
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Bane Necran
528
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Posted - 2012.10.16 18:32:00 -
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Kehro Urgus wrote:The RCMP are pursuing charges against numerous people. There was this other douche who set up a Facebook page just to troll the issue and later complained to the media during in interview that in essence he's the victim after recieving threats.
And that attitude will actually work, sadly. "He was just a good kid who got mixed up with some bad people, and has already suffered enough, your honor."
There will be no charges or formal punishment for anyone but the lead guy. Mark my words. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.16 19:11:00 -
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That defense attorney needs 10 minutes on a stairmaster
Also that fat loud woman (i think it's a woman)
Also lol at living out loud on internet and not seeing that train barreling down on you "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Telegram Sam
Shoot 2 Thrill
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Posted - 2012.10.16 20:25:00 -
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Good job Anonymous. But as the legal system guy said, it's kind of dangerous to have hackers acting as as investigator, judge, jury, and publicist. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.16 20:31:00 -
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Telegram Sam wrote:Good job Anonymous. But as the legal system guy said, it's kind of dangerous to have hackers acting as as investigator, judge, jury, and publicist.
Meh, our justice system sucks anyway "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Just Lilly
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Posted - 2012.10.17 03:24:00 -
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They sure have access to alot of logs...and clearly, logs show everything May 15 2012 |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.17 04:27:00 -
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Just Lilly wrote:They sure have access to alot of logs...and clearly, logs show everything
Not the Eve logs... those logs show nothing because no one ever looks at them "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
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Evelyn Meiyi
Meiyi Family Holdings
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Posted - 2012.10.17 07:59:00 -
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Kehro Urgus wrote:We've all heard cases of cyberbullying which often end tragically. In this case a young girl committed suicide last week and the outrage against her tormentor(s) that followed has attracted the attention of people that could turn the table on the misfit. Full story hereThis disgusting little coward hid behind the anonymity of the internet and basically tormented a troubled girl into taking her life. Now he's no longer "anonymous".
Up here (I live in the Vancouver, BC area), Amanda Todd's death is a very sensitive issue. This is just the latest in what's being called a country-wide 'epidemic' in the local press.
Cyberbullying. Ten years ago, I'd never even heard the term, and now it's everywhere. Bullies don't even have to have a face-to-face confrontation with their victim anymore -- they can make someone's life an unlivable hell from the comfort of their own living room.
I know that many of you are parents -- talk to your children. Tell them about Amanda, help them understand that this didn't have to happen, and it doesn't have to happen again.
Rest well, Amanda. May your time in the Summerlands bring you the peace that you weren't able to find in life. |
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
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Posted - 2012.10.17 08:37:00 -
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Hey look, the internet finally did something that wasn't conceited. I don't trust a bunch of kids and neckbeards to have the logic to determine guilt accurately, but that doesn't mean they're always wrong. If they have proof, which I assume they would, then **** da police, give him hell. Actually, they should devote more time to dealing with people like this, and not in their characteristic "we don't like politics so let's burn everything, we're right somehow." |
Sebastian LaFleur
Galactic Shipyards Inc SONS of BANE
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Posted - 2012.10.17 11:44:00 -
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Jim Era wrote:maybe she shouldn't have been searching for acceptance on the internet
After that revelation, I'm sure you will dispense that advice to people who can still benefit from it.
The X-Instinct expands life. The X-Instinct expands consciousness. The X-Instinct is vital to space travel. Travel without moving.-á |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.17 12:44:00 -
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Sebastian LaFleur wrote:Jim Era wrote:maybe she shouldn't have been searching for acceptance on the internet After that revelation, I'm sure you will dispense that advice to people who can still benefit from it.
Like anyone here listens to anyone "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2012.10.17 13:17:00 -
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Kehro Urgus wrote:We've all heard cases of cyberbullying which often end tragically. In this case a young girl committed suicide last week and the outrage against her tormentor(s) that followed has attracted the attention of people that could turn the table on the misfit. Full story hereThis disgusting little coward hid behind the anonymity of the internet and basically tormented a troubled girl into taking her life. Now he's no longer "anonymous".
If he is guilty he should get whats coming for him. Abusing a minor over the internet is abuse nonetheless. As a 32 year old man he SHOULD have known better. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Telegram Sam
Shoot 2 Thrill
399
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Posted - 2012.10.17 17:28:00 -
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Brujo Loco wrote:Kehro Urgus wrote:We've all heard cases of cyberbullying which often end tragically. In this case a young girl committed suicide last week and the outrage against her tormentor(s) that followed has attracted the attention of people that could turn the table on the misfit. Full story hereThis disgusting little coward hid behind the anonymity of the internet and basically tormented a troubled girl into taking her life. Now he's no longer "anonymous". If he is guilty he should get whats coming for him. Abusing a minor over the internet is abuse nonetheless. As a 32 year old man he SHOULD have known better. Yep. And especially since kids are so easily intimidated by older people. It's hard for them to stand up to an adult, or report what's going on to their parents. (My sister is a child abuse social worker... I hear the bad stories). Any adult who takes advantage of that and intimidates a kid deserves the worst. |
Kehro Urgus
Ab Obice Saevior
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Posted - 2012.10.17 17:49:00 -
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Update: Another useless douche made a really disgusting comment on Twitter about this girl. A woman in Alberta found out who he was and contacted his employer and they fired him. I don't always troll, but when I do I do it on EVE Online forums.
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Bane Necran
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Posted - 2012.10.17 18:08:00 -
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Kehro Urgus wrote:Update: Another useless douche made a really disgusting comment on Twitter about this girl. A woman in Alberta found out who he was and contacted his employer and they fired him.
Into the sun?
"It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Kehro Urgus
Ab Obice Saevior
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Posted - 2012.10.17 19:09:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Kehro Urgus wrote:Update: Another useless douche made a really disgusting comment on Twitter about this girl. A woman in Alberta found out who he was and contacted his employer and they fired him. Into the sun?
Even worse. Into the streets cold hard streets of Toronto.
I don't always troll, but when I do I do it on EVE Online forums.
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Bane Necran
539
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Posted - 2012.10.17 19:15:00 -
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Kehro Urgus wrote:Even worse. Into the streets cold hard streets of Toronto.
That seems a little excessive. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.17 19:37:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Kehro Urgus wrote:Even worse. Into the streets cold hard streets of Toronto. That seems a little excessive.
Could've been worse... Could've exiled him to Quebec "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Evelyn Meiyi
Meiyi Family Holdings
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Posted - 2012.10.18 01:31:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Kehro Urgus wrote:Even worse. Into the streets cold hard streets of Toronto. That seems a little excessive.
I disagree -- as an employee of Big and Tall, he violated company policy, and did so in a way that could do damage to the company's reputation. If I'd done something so egregious during my employment with T-Mobile, they would have fired me on the spot. |
Kehro Urgus
Ab Obice Saevior
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Posted - 2012.10.18 01:41:00 -
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Evelyn Meiyi wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Kehro Urgus wrote:Even worse. Into the streets cold hard streets of Toronto. That seems a little excessive. I disagree -- as an employee of Big and Tall, he violated company policy, and did so in a way that could do damage to the company's reputation. If I'd done something so egregious during my employment with T-Mobile, they would have fired me on the spot.
That is correct. I've known several people who were let go for misconduct outside of the workplace. Some of them were unionized and even their union wouldn't even help them.
People who disagree with this person's termination are clinging to the right to free speech mantra but when someone posts "It's about time this b*tch died" on a memorial page, that isn't voicing an opinion. It is just looking to offend people. Sucks for him he pi$$ed off the wrong person. I don't always troll, but when I do I do it on EVE Online forums.
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Brock Nelson
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Posted - 2012.10.18 05:29:00 -
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*sigh*
OP should've waited...RCMP already called bullshit
Try not to start another witch hunt until you get all of your facts together mmmaky? Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.18 23:20:00 -
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Brock Nelson wrote:*sigh* OP should've waited... RCMP already called bullshitTry not to start another witch hunt until you get all of your facts together mmmaky?
That's not the way we do things around these parts
Also those damn Canadians are lying again "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Evelyn Meiyi
Meiyi Family Holdings
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Posted - 2012.10.19 04:59:00 -
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Brock Nelson wrote:*sigh* OP should've waited... RCMP already called bullshitTry not to start another witch hunt until you get all of your facts together mmmaky?
Witht he amount of people calling for vigilante justice, I'm not surprised they'd say that. |
Kehro Urgus
Ab Obice Saevior
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Posted - 2012.10.19 07:30:00 -
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Evelyn Meiyi wrote:Brock Nelson wrote:*sigh* OP should've waited... RCMP already called bullshitTry not to start another witch hunt until you get all of your facts together mmmaky? Witht he amount of people calling for vigilante justice, I'm not surprised they'd say that.
They didn't come right out and say it either way. He was recently in court on unrelated charges relating to some sort of sexual misconduct with a minor which had nothing to do with the girl who committed suicide.
The main reason I created this thread is since I've been a player in Eve, I've witnessed a very hotly debated instance of 'cyberbullying' just within the community (Mittanigate) and the trolling that occurred on the various Vile Rat memorial threads which drew some fiery responses even from CCP staff.
I saw some resonance and decided to throw it out there for debate. In hindsight I could've worded my opening post differently. It wasn't meant to start a 'witchhunt' .
I don't always troll, but when I do I do it on EVE Online forums.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2012.10.19 07:46:00 -
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Telegram Sam wrote:Good job Anonymous. But as the legal system guy said, it's kind of dangerous to have hackers acting as as investigator, judge, jury, and publicist.
The way the media and lapdog journalists are failing, hackers may be the only thing left towards any truth in the world.
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Caldari Citizen20090217
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.10.19 15:04:00 -
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Kehro Urgus wrote: People who disagree with this person's termination are clinging to the right to free speech mantra but when someone posts "It's about time this b*tch died" on a memorial page, that isn't voicing an opinion. It is just looking to offend people. Sucks for him he pi$$ed off the wrong person.
The right to free speech is an absolute one. You either have it or you don't. You cannot have the right to free speech so long as noone is offended, because someone is always offended.
Disclaimer: I agree the guy posting the offensive comment was a douche. Costing him his income and/or giving him a criminal record is a bit excessive however. |
Kehro Urgus
Ab Obice Saevior
472
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Posted - 2012.10.19 21:24:00 -
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Caldari Citizen20090217 wrote:Kehro Urgus wrote: People who disagree with this person's termination are clinging to the right to free speech mantra but when someone posts "It's about time this b*tch died" on a memorial page, that isn't voicing an opinion. It is just looking to offend people. Sucks for him he pi$$ed off the wrong person.
The right to free speech is an absolute one. You either have it or you don't. You cannot have the right to free speech so long as noone is offended, because someone is always offended. Disclaimer: I agree the guy posting the offensive comment was a douche. Costing him his income and/or giving him a criminal record is a bit excessive however.
His employer terminated him for violating the company's code of ethics. The same result would have occurred if his employer discovered his comment on their own. This does not impinge on his right to free speech as he and others remain free to say what they like however this right can be limited. In Canada, the guarantee of freedom of expression and other rights under the the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms are not absolute and can be limited under certain situations.
As far as I know he hasn't been charged with anything.
I don't always troll, but when I do I do it on EVE Online forums.
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