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Ares Desideratus
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.10.19 22:49:00 -
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people make mistakes
crucifying the dude that did this will just be another one |
Sebastian LaFleur
Galactic Shipyards Inc SONS of BANE
32
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Posted - 2012.10.20 12:58:00 -
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Ares Desideratus wrote:people make mistakes
crucifying the dude that did this will just be another one
I'm not sure which dude you're talking about (the one who did the extortion with the pictures or the one who got fired because of the comments he made regarding the issue), but in either case the actions go beyond just being mistakes because both show forethough (then again, lot's of people post garbage to internet without even proof reading what they wrote...) in addition to lack of decency or empathy.
Mistake is something you do by accident without intent. Still, some mistakes are serious enough to require punishment.
The X-Instinct expands life. The X-Instinct expands consciousness. The X-Instinct is vital to space travel. Travel without moving.-á |
Caldari Citizen20090217
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.10.20 14:57:00 -
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Kehro Urgus wrote:Caldari Citizen20090217 wrote:Kehro Urgus wrote: People who disagree with this person's termination are clinging to the right to free speech mantra but when someone posts "It's about time this b*tch died" on a memorial page, that isn't voicing an opinion. It is just looking to offend people. Sucks for him he pi$$ed off the wrong person.
The right to free speech is an absolute one. You either have it or you don't. You cannot have the right to free speech so long as noone is offended, because someone is always offended. Disclaimer: I agree the guy posting the offensive comment was a douche. Costing him his income and/or giving him a criminal record is a bit excessive however. His employer terminated him for violating the company's code of ethics. The same result would have occurred if his employer discovered his comment on their own. This does not impinge on his right to free speech as he and others remain free to say what they like however this right can be limited. In Canada, the guarantee of freedom of expression and other rights under the the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms are not absolute and can be limited under certain situations. As far as I know he hasn't been charged with anything.
His employer terminated his income for expressing an opinion (however unsavoury). Therefore your statement "This does not impinge on his right to free speech" seems a little hard to justify.
Private companies enforcing their own codes of ethics on people with no accountability is not a good direction to go in. |
Kehro Urgus
Ab Obice Saevior
472
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Posted - 2012.10.20 15:51:00 -
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[quote=Caldari Citizen20090217 His employer terminated his income for expressing an opinion (however unsavoury). Therefore your statement "This does not impinge on his right to free speech" seems a little hard to justify.
Private companies enforcing their own codes of ethics on people with no accountability is not a good direction to go in.[/quote]
I don't always troll, but when I do I do it on EVE Online forums.
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Elias Greyhand
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.10.20 17:30:00 -
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The one thing that makes me genuinely angry is seeing stories in the newspaper about another teenager - ususally a girl - who has commited suicide because of bullying of any kind. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2944
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Posted - 2012.10.20 18:18:00 -
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Caldari Citizen20090217 wrote:Kehro Urgus wrote:Caldari Citizen20090217 wrote:Kehro Urgus wrote: People who disagree with this person's termination are clinging to the right to free speech mantra but when someone posts "It's about time this b*tch died" on a memorial page, that isn't voicing an opinion. It is just looking to offend people. Sucks for him he pi$$ed off the wrong person.
The right to free speech is an absolute one. You either have it or you don't. You cannot have the right to free speech so long as noone is offended, because someone is always offended. Disclaimer: I agree the guy posting the offensive comment was a douche. Costing him his income and/or giving him a criminal record is a bit excessive however. His employer terminated him for violating the company's code of ethics. The same result would have occurred if his employer discovered his comment on their own. This does not impinge on his right to free speech as he and others remain free to say what they like however this right can be limited. In Canada, the guarantee of freedom of expression and other rights under the the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms are not absolute and can be limited under certain situations. As far as I know he hasn't been charged with anything. His employer terminated his income for expressing an opinion (however unsavoury). Therefore your statement "This does not impinge on his right to free speech" seems a little hard to justify. Private companies enforcing their own codes of ethics on people with no accountability is not a good direction to go in.
You're free to say whatever you want, just be prepared to pay for whatever you say
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Ares Desideratus
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.10.20 20:57:00 -
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Sebastian LaFleur wrote:Ares Desideratus wrote:people make mistakes
crucifying the dude that did this will just be another one I'm not sure which dude you're talking about (the one who did the extortion with the pictures or the one who got fired because of the comments he made regarding the issue), but in either case the actions go beyond just being mistakes because both show forethough (then again, lot's of people post garbage to internet without even proof reading what they wrote...) in addition to lack of decency or empathy. Mistake is something you do by accident without intent. Still, some mistakes are serious enough to require punishment. I think an accident is something you do by accident
Mistake can be purposely done by someone who did not know better / wasn't fully informed and they can regret it later, just cause it's done on purpose doesnt mean it isnt a mistake - just means it wasnt an accident
TBH, I was talking about the dude who extorted her, but that was before I read the full article. Supposedly he checks out child **** sites and **** like that. Is there any kind of punishment he would get just for spreading those pictures around? Like forget everything else, is it illegal to blackmail her with those nude photos she sent him or whatever?
This dude is ****** either way, he really messed up, what he did wasn't as bad as molesting a kid or something but since she actually killed herself.... yeah, probably gonna get a pretty severe punishment. |
Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
77
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:16:00 -
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Seeing this reminded me of a story from well over a year ago where someone living next door to a teenage girl did the following:
Set up a social networking profile as a young lad (same age as her neighbour).
Started "net-dating yo" the teenage girl next door, whilst pretending to be the young lad.
Split up with the young girl "as the young lad"
Then the middle aged woman sat on her porch knitting or w/e whilst the teenager ran out of the house next door crying her eyes out.
Saying that though, the middle aged woman that sat there like that, carrying on like that until the teenage girl took her own life, went a bit further than being an internet troll asking for money for pictures.
Gotta be honest though, didn't see if that woman got prosecuted as it was one of the first times that something like that was reported on (outside of people lending imaginary swords to their friends while they went on holiday, coming back off holiday to find the friend sold it and going round "equipped" )
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Ares Desideratus
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.10.20 22:09:00 -
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Borascus wrote:Seeing this reminded me of a story from well over a year ago where someone living next door to a teenage girl did the following:
Set up a social networking profile as a young lad (same age as her neighbour).
Started "net-dating yo" the teenage girl next door, whilst pretending to be the young lad.
Split up with the young girl "as the young lad"
Then the middle aged woman sat on her porch knitting or w/e whilst the teenager ran out of the house next door crying her eyes out.
Saying that though, the middle aged woman that sat there like that, carrying on like that until the teenage girl took her own life, went a bit further than being an internet troll asking for money for pictures.
Gotta be honest though, didn't see if that woman got prosecuted as it was one of the first times that something like that was reported on (outside of people lending imaginary swords to their friends while they went on holiday, coming back off holiday to find the friend sold it and going round "equipped" )
I had to read that a few times to understand the story. She committed suicide because a random stranger E-dated and broke up with her? Or was the old lady pretending to be the girl's actual boyfriend? Either way I don't understand how 1. Older lady kept it up or 2. Young girl committed suicide. This story is really really weird. |
Evelyn Meiyi
Meiyi Family Holdings
56
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:43:00 -
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Caldari Citizen20090217 wrote:Kehro Urgus wrote:Caldari Citizen20090217 wrote:Kehro Urgus wrote: People who disagree with this person's termination are clinging to the right to free speech mantra but when someone posts "It's about time this b*tch died" on a memorial page, that isn't voicing an opinion. It is just looking to offend people. Sucks for him he pi$$ed off the wrong person.
The right to free speech is an absolute one. You either have it or you don't. You cannot have the right to free speech so long as noone is offended, because someone is always offended. Disclaimer: I agree the guy posting the offensive comment was a douche. Costing him his income and/or giving him a criminal record is a bit excessive however. His employer terminated him for violating the company's code of ethics. The same result would have occurred if his employer discovered his comment on their own. This does not impinge on his right to free speech as he and others remain free to say what they like however this right can be limited. In Canada, the guarantee of freedom of expression and other rights under the the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms are not absolute and can be limited under certain situations. As far as I know he hasn't been charged with anything. His employer terminated his income for expressing an opinion (however unsavoury). Therefore your statement "This does not impinge on his right to free speech" seems a little hard to justify. Private companies enforcing their own codes of ethics on people with no accountability is not a good direction to go in.
He was an employee of said company. He was accountable to his employers for his conduct under their banner, and his 'right to free speech' ended when his company adivsed him beforehand that behavior such as he displayed was not permitted.
The company has shown plenty of accountability -- that's why they fired him. You can't spit gum on a teacher without going to the office, can you? At the very least, it would be common assault if the teacher pressed charges. |
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