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Kane the Black
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2012.10.23 11:20:00 -
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Approving this thread for tear generation. Bye bye ****** Warfare: victory by warping out. Yarr!! |
Azami Nevinyrall
Homeworld Republic Intrepid Crossing
467
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Posted - 2012.10.23 11:28:00 -
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Evelgrivion wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Well, they "fixed" the farming problem. Kinda sucks that the ninja fix fucks over everyone in some shape and/or form... For limited definitions of everyone; in this case, those running faction warfare for ISK. On the other hand, mission runners are going to be less hosed with unmatchable LP store prices, and the markets for toys are likely to become more competitive again. All I hope for is that FW will be about the pew pew and not FarmVille 2.0. But, that might not be for a while. Then it'll be bittervet vs. bittervet for another few years...
I'm just happy I've gotten outta this clusterfuck. Just ignore the fact that I did 2 days before this with a complete cash out... Apperently I'm on twitter now... @AzamiNevinyrall |
Zheketri
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.23 11:36:00 -
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Commissar Veldt wrote: The majority of the other Gallente systems are already plexed soooo far into vulnerable by all the farmers that they will struggle to de-contest them before we can work our way from system to system busting bunkers.
There is a small problem with this, however, the vulnerability cap goes into place as well. Once the patch is in all those "deeply vulnerable" systems will be able to be put into "contested" with only a handful of plexes. If these systems are not flipped soon, that is what will happen by paid defensive plexers, no? |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
89
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Posted - 2012.10.23 11:44:00 -
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Zheketri wrote:There is a small problem with this, however, the vulnerability cap goes into place as well. Once the patch is in all those "deeply vulnerable" systems will be able to be put into "contested" with only a handful of plexes. If these systems are not flipped soon, that is what will happen by paid defensive plexers, no?
There is nothing indicating there would a "cap" on how deeply the system can be vulnerable, only that no LP will be gained. However, if CCP does implement system like that it should show witout shadow of a doubt their bias for gallente/minmatar that not only they rob Amarr/Caldari their chance for LP dump, they will also definetely cement them for eternal dominance of FW since they wil continue to attract all farmers due to ease of defensive plexing lp.
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Zheketri
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.23 11:53:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote:Zheketri wrote:There is a small problem with this, however, the vulnerability cap goes into place as well. Once the patch is in all those "deeply vulnerable" systems will be able to be put into "contested" with only a handful of plexes. If these systems are not flipped soon, that is what will happen by paid defensive plexers, no? There is nothing indicating there would a "cap" on how deeply the system can be vulnerable, only that no LP will be gained. However, if CCP does implement system like that it should show witout shadow of a doubt their bias for gallente/minmatar that not only they rob Amarr/Caldari their chance for LP dump, they will also definetely cement them for eternal dominance of FW since they wil continue to attract all farmers due to ease of defensive plexing lp.
CCP Ytterbium wrote:WINTER ITERATIONS
* Attacking complexes don't pay anything in vulnerable systems: currently it is possibly to still gain LPs and VPs in vulnerable systems, not only allowing you to farm the system instead of taking the I-hub, but also give you a huge VP buffer as they keep piling up indefinitely. Plan is to stop attackers from getting LPs and VPs when system is vulnerable - we would still leave a small VP buffer for attackers, but nothing bigger than 100-200 VPs.
Unless I've misunderstood the last sentence there (in bold,) the VP cap does do exactly this.
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Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
89
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Posted - 2012.10.23 12:01:00 -
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Zheketri wrote:Unless I've misunderstood the last sentence there (in bold,) the VP cap does do exactly this.
So it seems CCP decided to screw Amarr/Caldari over completely in the pooch by not only preventing them from doing lp dump, staging a potential comeback but they also decided to give the "white hats" ownershisp of all systems in the warzone until end of time.
I quess Hans must have a massive e.ection now as he boasted in militia chat how "he fixed everything for minmatar militia and FW". The "fix" is there for everyone to see. I assume most people will now quit FW in disgust.
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Destru Kaneda
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
106
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Posted - 2012.10.23 12:31:00 -
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wat Music for robots, geeks, hackers, and nerds. Nerdiest homepage on the internet? |
Dread Pirate Pete
Tribal Core Defiant Legacy
84
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Posted - 2012.10.23 12:33:00 -
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Now we will all have to cash out at the same price as all other LP stores in the game! Woe is us! Reduced from the ranks of the filthy rich to the wastelands of the merely wealthy! Now how will we be able to form fleets of faction ships without thinking twice about cost?! Alas! Alas! |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
142
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Posted - 2012.10.23 12:57:00 -
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I think the fast-forward is a very clever move of CCP. |
Hidden Snake
Genco Fatal Ascension
153
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Posted - 2012.10.23 13:18:00 -
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does it mean ... i will find vulnerable backroads system ... have 2 alts ... 1 gal + 1 caldari.
run plex to drop it vulnerable. defend it to get it back to contested .... repeat so many times u get bored. Killing rats ... no biggie I can shoot them with my main (even the caldari one as my standing is massively high).
Is it going to work or am I missing something?
IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM! |
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Megos Adriano
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
23
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Posted - 2012.10.23 13:19:00 -
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Is Mjolnir Gost a Domar Rocarion alt? And boom goes the dynamite. |
Hidden Snake
Genco Fatal Ascension
153
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Posted - 2012.10.23 13:19:00 -
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Meditril wrote:I think the fast-forward is a very clever move of CCP.
CCP FW guys are very clever Frog/Slave lovers ... IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM! |
David Campbell
Barricade.
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Posted - 2012.10.23 13:22:00 -
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Zheketri wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:WINTER ITERATIONS
* Attacking complexes don't pay anything in vulnerable systems: currently it is possibly to still gain LPs and VPs in vulnerable systems, not only allowing you to farm the system instead of taking the I-hub, but also give you a huge VP buffer as they keep piling up indefinitely. Plan is to stop attackers from getting LPs and VPs when system is vulnerable - we would still leave a small VP buffer for attackers, but nothing bigger than 100-200 VPs. Unless I've misunderstood the last sentence there (in bold,) the VP cap does do exactly this.
Winter iteration is not the same as Oct. 23. Nowhere in yesterday's devblog is it said that they moved this feature early and if you guys can't bust a few bunkers before Dec. 4 then I don't know what to say to you. |
Dread Pirate Pete
Tribal Core Defiant Legacy
84
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Posted - 2012.10.23 13:23:00 -
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Hidden Snake wrote:does it mean ... i will find vulnerable backroads system ... have 2 alts ... 1 gal + 1 caldari.
run plex to drop it vulnerable. defend it to get it back to contested .... repeat so many times u get bored. Killing rats ... no biggie I can shoot them with my main (even the caldari one as my standing is massively high).
Is it going to work or am I missing something?
You now have to be able to kill the rats, so no more gunless speed tanking merlins. So yes, you can. But you will have to bring something big enough to kill the bigger rats in the mediums/majors reasonably fast, or the rats'll blob you. And if you bring something big enough running away will get harder ;) |
Zheketri
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.23 13:36:00 -
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David Campbell wrote:Zheketri wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:WINTER ITERATIONS
* Attacking complexes don't pay anything in vulnerable systems: currently it is possibly to still gain LPs and VPs in vulnerable systems, not only allowing you to farm the system instead of taking the I-hub, but also give you a huge VP buffer as they keep piling up indefinitely. Plan is to stop attackers from getting LPs and VPs when system is vulnerable - we would still leave a small VP buffer for attackers, but nothing bigger than 100-200 VPs. Unless I've misunderstood the last sentence there (in bold,) the VP cap does do exactly this. Winter iteration is not the same as Oct. 23. Nowhere in yesterday's devblog is it said that they moved this feature early and if you guys can't bust a few bunkers before Dec. 4 then I don't know what to say to you.
Considering that the relevant post by CCP Ytterbium ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1865085#post1865085 ) is referenced in CCP Fozzie's DevBlog ( http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73491 ) as the FW iterations that will be fast-forwarded to Oct. 23 it seems part and parcel of the patch.
If it is omitted from the patch then that would be interesting as Ytterbium has it bundled so neatly with the other changes.
I suppose some poor fellow is going to have to defensive plex a "deep system" to verify the matter. |
David Campbell
Barricade.
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Posted - 2012.10.23 13:47:00 -
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I haven't found such a change in the patch notes : http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp.
Dev Blog wrote:The rest of the plan as described in the F&I threads linked above and below is still in our backlog, and we will be working with the goal of getting as many of those changes as possible delivered to you by Dec 4th.
And since it's not directly discussed in the devblog, I took the above statement as a soon(tm). I guess the only way to know fore sure is to get out there. |
Zheketri
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.23 14:01:00 -
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Zheketri wrote:David Campbell wrote:Zheketri wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:WINTER ITERATIONS
* Attacking complexes don't pay anything in vulnerable systems: currently it is possibly to still gain LPs and VPs in vulnerable systems, not only allowing you to farm the system instead of taking the I-hub, but also give you a huge VP buffer as they keep piling up indefinitely. Plan is to stop attackers from getting LPs and VPs when system is vulnerable - we would still leave a small VP buffer for attackers, but nothing bigger than 100-200 VPs. Unless I've misunderstood the last sentence there (in bold,) the VP cap does do exactly this. Winter iteration is not the same as Oct. 23. Nowhere in yesterday's devblog is it said that they moved this feature early and if you guys can't bust a few bunkers before Dec. 4 then I don't know what to say to you. Considering that the relevant post by CCP Ytterbium ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1865085#post1865085 ) is referenced in CCP Fozzie's DevBlog ( http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73491 ) as the FW iterations that will be fast-forwarded to Oct. 23 it seems part and parcel of the patch. If it is omitted from the patch then that would be interesting as Ytterbium has it bundled so neatly with the other changes. I suppose some poor fellow is going to have to defensive plex a "deep system" to verify the matter. Edit: Seems Fozzie just answered this question CCP Fozzie wrote:Quick note for those who are defensive plexing across the warzones right now. As part of the patch today we took every system that had more than 4000 VPs worth of vulnerability (>133%) and set them to 4000 VPs.
We are planning to implement a cap on the number of VPs past vulnerable a system can collect, but that was not ready to deploy quite yet.
Relevent link: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2083952#post2083952 |
David Campbell
Barricade.
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Posted - 2012.10.23 14:04:00 -
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lol, I guess I should also actualize my browser before making an edit |
Zheketri
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.23 14:12:00 -
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It pretty much popped up as I was reading the last post in that thread. |
Mitara Newelle
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
64
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Posted - 2012.10.23 15:02:00 -
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Killing the Navy NPCs to capture plexes is more than four years overdue. I guess good things do come to those who wait, and wait, and wait.... :) |
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Alice Krysta
Symbol Of Chaos
5
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Posted - 2012.10.23 15:08:00 -
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Message recieved from defensive major plex:
Loyalty points awarded for militia effort From: State Protectorate Sent: 2012.10.23 14:52
[no label: Notifications/FacWar/bodyLPDungeonDefensivePayout]
Tested On Internal Servers, They Said
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Mjolnir Gost
Providence Directorate Kraken.
15
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Posted - 2012.10.23 15:17:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:This thread. It has potential. Bump
BTW Mjolnir- Bolsterbomb was approached by CCP and his views were considered. There was a Skype conference call which included Bolster, Chatgris, myself, XG, Hans, MinutemanKirk, and Amymuffmuff. All militias were fairly represented. Well, at least the important and relevant ones
So basically you just admitted it was Gallente planned, primarily. One Caldari rep...
Nice.
It's all good, I like the changes at the end of the day. Don't misunderstand me. It was the acceleration of the change that was dissapointing. We will continue capping systems and will reach our highest possible tier status within a short time. |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
89
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Posted - 2012.10.23 15:23:00 -
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Mjolnir Gost wrote:So basically you just admitted it was Gallente planned, primarily. One Caldari rep... Nice. It's all good, I like the changes at the end of the day. Don't misunderstand me. It was the acceleration of the change that was dissapointing. We will continue capping systems and will reach our highest possible tier status within a short time.
Not true, we need to hurry since CCP saw it fit to make it easy enough to uncontest the systems (see the other blog) as another favour for their frog overlords.
Is there anyone in Caldari & Amarr side who trusts CCP with anything or who does not want to drive Hans out of town, covered in tar and feathers?
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BolsterBomb
Frog Steamers
120
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Posted - 2012.10.23 15:24:00 -
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Mjolnir Gost wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:This thread. It has potential. Bump
BTW Mjolnir- Bolsterbomb was approached by CCP and his views were considered. There was a Skype conference call which included Bolster, Chatgris, myself, XG, Hans, MinutemanKirk, and Amymuffmuff. All militias were fairly represented. Well, at least the important and relevant ones So basically you just admitted it was Gallente planned, primarily. One Caldari rep... Nice. It's all good, I like the changes at the end of the day. Don't misunderstand me. It was the acceleration of the change that was dissapointing. We will continue capping systems and will reach our highest possible tier status within a short time.
I was not there at this conference call mind you.
Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
273
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Posted - 2012.10.23 15:28:00 -
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Hidden Snake wrote:does it mean ... i will find vulnerable backroads system ... have 2 alts ... 1 gal + 1 caldari.
run plex to drop it vulnerable. defend it to get it back to contested .... repeat so many times u get bored. Killing rats ... no biggie I can shoot them with my main (even the caldari one as my standing is massively high).
Is it going to work or am I missing something?
yes you miss the fact that you make about 5m isk / hour like that because lp is worthless |
Mjolnir Gost
Providence Directorate Kraken.
15
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Posted - 2012.10.23 15:34:00 -
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Abannan wrote:As much of a hilarious descision this was, and how funny I'm finding the tears of the Caldari, I do agree that a complete warzone reset would have been the better idea
Essentially this is the heart of my aurgument, or "tears" as they are commonly referred to.
If you are going to make vast sweeping changes to a broken LP system, why not reset the entire Warzone when doing so. We can aurgue about the details later, the fine tuning and such.
Basically what we are "mad" about is that we were not allowed sufficient time to cap our systems, (though we did a great job yesterday capturing some key station systems, etc) and yes we did get caught on the wrong end of the LP pendulem swing. We did not create this situation, nor did we invent the mechanics behind it. It was a well known system and we were simply waiting for the point of highest impact based on what CCP had previously announced.
CCP created a completely meta FW rules system, we can all get over this. Are the changes good? I will say I do like most of them. However, denying us the initiative while making these changes clearly smacks of bias.
That's all. Making changes like this should reset the warzone. I still aurgue we should give everyone a clean slate and start the warzone control over.
For the role-players out there, it could even be a game event, Concord sanctioned redistribution due to impending Sansha threats or something. I don't know, you geeks work it out.
Point is... reset warzone control, completely, start with a clean slate then you can see if your changes work or are horse manure.
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Mjolnir Gost
Providence Directorate Kraken.
15
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Posted - 2012.10.23 15:35:00 -
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BolsterBomb wrote:Mjolnir Gost wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:This thread. It has potential. Bump
BTW Mjolnir- Bolsterbomb was approached by CCP and his views were considered. There was a Skype conference call which included Bolster, Chatgris, myself, XG, Hans, MinutemanKirk, and Amymuffmuff. All militias were fairly represented. Well, at least the important and relevant ones So basically you just admitted it was Gallente planned, primarily. One Caldari rep... Nice. It's all good, I like the changes at the end of the day. Don't misunderstand me. It was the acceleration of the change that was dissapointing. We will continue capping systems and will reach our highest possible tier status within a short time. I was not there at this conference call mind you. The last time I asked when the patch would be rolled out the answer was TBD still. The last time I was on Skype was when Hans threw a conniption because I disagreed with his "suggestions"
BOOM goes the fact checking dynamite! |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
542
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Posted - 2012.10.23 15:49:00 -
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Mjolnir Gost wrote:Basically what we are "mad" about is that we were not allowed sufficient time to cap our systems, Well then we would be mad that we weren't able to counter cap your capped systems. Yada, yada, yada. In the end it will likely be a "soft" reset. Damar will still live in Intaki, Gallente in Nenna, with at least 20+ systems on each side to get us to baseline Tier LP payouts.
I'm sure your plexing alts will still be able to use their 75k LP/day wisely. |
BolsterBomb
Frog Steamers
121
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Posted - 2012.10.23 15:55:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Mjolnir Gost wrote:Basically what we are "mad" about is that we were not allowed sufficient time to cap our systems, Well then we would be mad that we weren't able to counter cap your capped systems. Yada, yada, yada. In the end it will likely be a "soft" reset. Damar will still live in Intaki, Gallente in Nenna, with at least 20+ systems on each side to get us to baseline Tier LP payouts. I'm sure your plexing alts will still be able to use their 75k LP/day wisely.
As much as I really dont care. The statement above is frivolous.
The Gals screwed them selves by flipping early. The correct mindset would have been to hold off (like the cals are) until 1 day before patch. Flip systems and enter the patch in a favorable position , just like what happened when inferno hit the first time.
This is a horrible mess which torpedos one sides strategy, if it was a blank slate reset then it would be fine , make it a free for all on capping systems however this favors the Gals so much that it tremendously does hurt the caldari.
I do not belive CCP is pulling favorites, I simply think the people that have their ear are Gallente / Minni, and I would do the same thing if I were those people, however CCP should have published a date and said "its up to you now" Brig General of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Mjolnir Gost
Providence Directorate Kraken.
15
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Posted - 2012.10.23 15:55:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Mjolnir Gost wrote:Basically what we are "mad" about is that we were not allowed sufficient time to cap our systems, Well then we would be mad that we weren't able to counter cap your capped systems. Yada, yada, yada. In the end it will likely be a "soft" reset. Damar will still live in Intaki, Gallente in Nenna, with at least 20+ systems on each side to get us to baseline Tier LP payouts. I'm sure your plexing alts will still be able to use their 75k LP/day wisely.
Again, heavy support for a faction wide system reset of control. Wouldn't this have made the most sense?
I digress, what's done is done. Due to certain people living in Caldari staions and certain Caldari living in Gall stations this would be messy at this point.
So game on I suppose, we will overcome this challenge as so many before it.
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