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TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc
445
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:12:00 -
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Tali Ambraelle wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Tali Ambraelle wrote:You clearly have no idea how this game works. Also not everyone wants to be in small ships. Not everyone is you. Also also James is not a "savior" of highsec. He is an undesirable, much like you. James is playing the game the way it was meant to be played, unlike afk miners and botters. In fact, emergent gameplay pioneers are the epitome of desirable, as they help demonstrate the possibilities in EVE online. Things like hulkageddon and burn jita are what make EVE famous, not undesirables such as yourself, who do nothing but f1 space rocks 23/7 I'd agree if he only targeted bots. No one likes bots. I've seen him target actively non-bot, non-afk players. That's where I take my issues. Also his grandiose claims of being elected Protector of etc etc when he...really isn't protecting anything. You and other undesirable belligerents are interrupting EULA sanctioned and legitimate game play for active miners.
I do not see an issue with James and his New Order extending their actions to bot/afk sympathisers and other undesirables.
While you are certainly allowed to mine your rocks and even defend your fellow undesirables under the EULA/TOS/whatever, James and the New Order are equally allowed to disrupt it. That is the sandbox. That is EVE.
In this thread we have even discussed the tactics and mechanics available to you to deal with James and the New Order, but you seem to refuse to attempt any of them, citing the "difficulty" or "cost" of pursuing such avenues of defense or retaliation. It is a shame that you let your own vices (greed, laziness) further disrupt your actions. |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
7082
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:13:00 -
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Tali Ambraelle wrote:You and other undesirable belligerents are interrupting EULA sanctioned and legitimate game play for active miners.
Yea... they wish. Ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10143
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:13:00 -
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Tali Ambraelle wrote:You and other undesirable belligerents are interrupting EULA sanctioned and legitimate game play for active miners. GǪwhich is itself EULA-sanctioned and legitimate game play.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
116
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:16:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:I do not see an issue with James and his New Order extending their actions to bot/afk sympathisers and other undesirables. Your definition of sympathizer is anyone who mines actively as a legitimate career.
Quote:While you are certainly allowed to mine your rocks and even defend your fellow desirables under the EULA/TOS/whatever, James and the New Order are equally allowed to disrupt it. That is the sandbox. That is EVE. except when there's no in game mechanic to defend against it, such as a space anchor. If that existed, we wouldn't even be talking.
Quote:In this thread we have even discussed the tactics and mechanics available to you to deal with James and the New Order, but you seem to refuse to attempt any of them, citing the "difficulty" or "cost" of pursuing such avenues of defense or retaliation. Please show how war deccing 12 different corps is feasible for a few small time miners with a tiny budget for anything.
Quote:It is a shame that you let your own vices (greed, laziness) further disrupt your actions. It is a shame that you let your own vices (wrath, trolling) further disrupt your logic. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10144
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:24:00 -
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Tali Ambraelle wrote:except when there's no in game mechanic to defend against it, such as a space anchor. Sure there is. You can try to dodge him, or you can just blow him up. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
116
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:28:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Tali Ambraelle wrote:except when there's no in game mechanic to defend against it, such as a space anchor. Sure there is. You can try to dodge him, or you can just blow him up.
Dodge: There's 5-15 of them on the field at a time. Can you tell me how any mining barge is going to dodge that many ships MWDing at them? (Not being snarky here: I'm dead serious, how do you stop something like that?)
Blow Up: True, they could, if they were all in one corp. As it stands, millions of isk would need to be paid to war dec each person involved as they are all in different corps or NPC corps. If they were in a single entity, I'd agree with you and tell the miners to htfu and hire a merc contract to wipe them off the face of New Eden. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10145
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:31:00 -
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Tali Ambraelle wrote:Dodge: There's 5-15 of them on the field at a time. GǪand they're not all going to come at you at once since that would mean that 4GÇô14 of them would miss, and that would be a waste of their energy.
Quote:Blow Up: True, they could, if they were all in one corp. So organise yourself. Take a corp each. Or just blow them up anyway.
Regardless, claiming that there are no mechanics to defend against it is blatantly dishonest.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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baltec1
Bat Country
2582
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:31:00 -
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Tali Ambraelle wrote:Tippia wrote:Tali Ambraelle wrote:except when there's no in game mechanic to defend against it, such as a space anchor. Sure there is. You can try to dodge him, or you can just blow him up. Dodge: There's 5-15 of them on the field at a time. Can you tell me how any mining barge is going to dodge that many ships MWDing at them? (Not being snarky here: I'm dead serious, how do you stop something like that?)
I manage it in a megathron vs 100+... |
Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
116
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:34:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪand they're not all going to come at you at once since that would mean that 4GÇô14 of them would miss, and that would be a waste of their energy. They do come all at once actually.
Quote:So organize yourself. Take a corp each. Or just blow them up anyway. Regardless, claiming that there are no mechanics to defend against it is blatantly dishonest.
I'll concede at the war dec point. I just don't have enough isk to dec them all. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2582
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:37:00 -
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Tali Ambraelle wrote:
Also who mines in a megathron?
Miners arnt the only people that get bumped. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5335
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:37:00 -
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Tali Ambraelle wrote:You and other undesirable belligerents are interrupting EULA sanctioned and legitimate game play for active miners.
They are not preventing them from playing the game. The undesirable belligerents are merely engaging in EULA sanctioned and legitimate gameplay by bumping other players' ships. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
fofofofofo |
Suitonia
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
123
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:38:00 -
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The majority of the miner bumping is happening in a single system. Is it so hard for you to move a few jumps? |
Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
116
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:38:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Tali Ambraelle wrote:
Also who mines in a megathron?
Miners arnt the only people that get bumped.
Touche. I concede.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10146
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:39:00 -
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Tali Ambraelle wrote:They do come all at once actually. Even better. Then their impact is minimal to begin with.
Quote:I'll concede at the war dec point. I just don't have enough isk to dec them all. GǪso spread it out among yourselves. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
630
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Posted - 2012.10.26 17:22:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:James is playing the game the way it was meant to be played sycophancy at it's best.
TheGunslinger42 wrote:unlike afk miners and botters. CCP designed the system, you can't blame players for being responsive to it (not an endorsement of botting, but afk =/= botting).
Quote:Conflation occurs when the identities of two or more individuals, concepts, or places, sharing some characteristics of one another, seem to be a single identity GÇö the differences appear to become lost.[1] In logic, it is the practice of treating two distinct concepts as if they were one, which produces errors or misunderstandings as a fusion of distinct subjects tends to obscure analysis of relationships which are emphasized by contrasts. So, conflate much?
TheGunslinger42 wrote:In fact, emergent gameplay pioneers are the epitome of desirable, as they help demonstrate the possibilities in EVE online. Things like hulkageddon and burn jita are what make EVE famous, not undesirables such as yourself, who do nothing but f1 space rocks 23/7
Whether or not J315 is "desirable" or not, is actually, relative. His tendency to verbose pedantry (and delusions of grandeur) are not attractive.
So in the long run, J315 and his slobbering, simpering sycophants are just as desirable as those who afk mine (BUT NOT BOTTERS!) in that they both are playing the game within defined limits.
The afk miners are a lot less annoying.
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |
Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2012.10.26 17:25:00 -
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Tali Ambraelle wrote:They do come all at once actually. That's incorrect; occasionally we have gatherings where we all operate together, but usually it's every bumper for him-/herself It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
MinerBumping.com |
March rabbit
R.I.P. Revenge
257
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Posted - 2012.10.26 17:25:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Tali Ambraelle wrote:You clearly have no idea how this game works. Also not everyone wants to be in small ships. Not everyone is you. Also also James is not a "savior" of highsec. He is an undesirable, much like you. James is playing the game the way it was meant to be played, unlike afk miners and botters. that's why we have guns/missiles/EWAR modules/etc.... because all of it makes bumping of mining barges more efficient
btw: which impact to bumping have leadership skills? |
Michael1995
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
43
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Posted - 2012.10.26 17:38:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:I love bumping an Orca and then Watching the 20 Mach/Hulks follow it till they are out of Roid range :P
I did this a couple days ago, and incurred the wrath of everyone in local BUT the people I was bumping! One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10146
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Posted - 2012.10.26 17:40:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:btw: which impact to bumping have leadership skills? They let you hit harder and with more precision. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Tragedy
The Creepshow
50
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Posted - 2012.10.26 17:50:00 -
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Unreal. 20+ pages of people crying about this. Why not just go play mine craft or some **** and quit crying about everything in this game.
"Ccp please lower plex prices wah"
"Ccp make them stop bumping me!"
"Wah don't nerf my overpowered heavy missiles"
"Ccp please wipe my ass for me I'm a drooling idiot wah"
And this folks, marks the last time I ever look at eve forums other than features n ideas. Way too much crying.
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Robert De'Arneth
171
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Posted - 2012.10.26 17:57:00 -
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Tragedy wrote:Unreal. 20+ pages of people crying about this. Why not just go play mine craft or some **** and quit crying about everything in this game.
"Ccp please lower plex prices wah"
"Ccp make them stop bumping me!"
"Wah don't nerf my overpowered heavy missiles"
"Ccp please wipe my ass for me I'm a drooling idiot wah"
And this folks, marks the last time I ever look at eve forums other than features n ideas. Way too much crying.
Whinners, whinning about whinners, the irony. I am just going to point out, if whining bugged me, I would not waste time posting. That being said, the best way to defend against James and his idiot freinds, is to never pay the idiots one ISK. Learn to have many areas to work at. There is no reason to pay them, they are like gnats. If you pay any of these idiots one white ISK, you are an idiot period. You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |
Viktor Fel
Dred Nots
10
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Posted - 2012.10.26 18:19:00 -
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Zkaor wrote:Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.
P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks
Dear OP, I have tried to mine some care over at give-a-damn solar system - belt 1, but the mining attempt failed. Many pilots have been asking for years to destroy the likes of you (risk adverse bot mining carebear trash), but we've only gotten more CONCORD, etc so that your ilk will stop crying and water this game down to a steaming WoW in space POS game. You were not extorted really, you don't need defense. At most what did you lose? A few seconds of time.
Solutions
o Actually sit at your computer and get your lazy carebear self back into position. It takes about 10 seconds o Come to lowsec so that we may harvest your tears moar. o Unsubscribe and leave EVE to pilots who are actually willing to take risk for the rewards within the context of the game enjoy it again. |
Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
116
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Posted - 2012.10.26 18:25:00 -
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Viktor Fel wrote:Zkaor wrote:Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.
P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks Dear OP, I have tried to mine some care over at give-a-damn solar system - belt 1, but the mining attempt failed. Many pilots have been asking for years to destroy the likes of you (risk adverse bot mining carebear trash), but we've only gotten more CONCORD, etc so that your ilk will stop crying and water this game down to a steaming WoW in space POS game. You were not extorted really, you don't need defense. At most what did you lose? A few seconds of time. Solutionso Actually sit at your computer and get your lazy carebear self back into position. It takes about 10 seconds o Come to lowsec so that we may harvest your tears moar. o Unsubscribe and leave EVE to pilots who are actually willing to take risk for the rewards within the context of the game enjoy it again.
Because less subscriptions is so good for the game. |
Viktor Fel
Dred Nots
10
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Posted - 2012.10.26 18:26:00 -
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Suitonia wrote:The majority of the miner bumping is happening in a single system. Is it so hard for you to move a few jumps?
You see, that would require actual effort. Bot mining carebear trash don't like effort outside of running a script. |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
7092
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Posted - 2012.10.26 18:28:00 -
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Tali Ambraelle wrote:Because less subscriptions is so good for the game.
Gawd people... stop spoiling these threads with stuff like real world economics... totally kills the mood!
Viktor Fel wrote:You see, that would require actual effort. Bot mining carebear trash don't like effort outside of running a script.
Yea! tell 'am man! Ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire! |
Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.10.26 18:30:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Tali Ambraelle wrote:Because less subscriptions is so good for the game. Gawd people... stop spoiling these threads with stuff like real world economics... totally kills the mood! Viktor Fel wrote:You see, that would require actual effort. Bot mining carebear trash don't like effort outside of running a script. Yea! tell 'am man!
I love you. :3 |
Lord Calus
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
31
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Posted - 2012.10.26 18:40:00 -
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Pssst, minerals you mine are not free.
There are several other activities that can net you orders of magnitude more isk/hr for nearly the same AFK playstyle.
You are engaging in one of the most mindless activities in any MMO ever. The fact that it actually allows you to make an income is shocking.
HTFU.
Don't be afk and "play" eve.
Mining is NOT intended to be an activity that you start doing when you wake up and stop when you get home from work, it is meant to have you constantly at the keys.
I can't AFK run Sanctums and Havens and Hubs, you can't AFK mine in 2 or 3 highsec systems. Seems like a fair trade.
GTFO.
Join a corp and do joint operations, it will probably be more fun and engaging.
Play a different game. Your type is not needed or wanted. The game does not need further dilution just because you cannot adapt. I swear to god/allah/raptorjesus/whomever every time someone in highsec has something they don't like happen to them we get r-tard threads like this about how CCP needs to make your game experience 100% safe and hassle free. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1748
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Posted - 2012.10.26 18:44:00 -
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If miners really wanted to defend themselves they could move to losec where Concord won't frown upon them shooting at something other than Ice, roids and the occasional rat.
But the miner mantra is thus
"we like being able to AFK because mining is pissboring. CCP should nerf those who interfere in our mining and protect us from people who have the gall to interrupt us from watching films while we mine" (miners can't deny this one I see it local all the time and can even provide chat logs)
"Our 15bux is worth more to CCP than the 15bux paid by the nasty people who don't like the way we play, gankers and bumpers are belligerent undesirables who have no place in spaceship game" (that is marketed as a sandbox that is full of said belligerent undesirables btw)
"Give us proper bumping mechanics where a cruiser can't move a mining ship because of the difference in mass, but don't let the bumpers have the ability to counteract any changes to bumping mechanics" (if we could we would pack our cruisers with explosives set to explode on impact and give a whole new meaning to suicide ganking, one of the military tutorials actually uses this methodology and I would love to see it given to the players)
"Wha wha wha, insert generic whinge about anything at all that means we actually have to be present at the keyboard"
I'm a hisec miner & producer, amongst other things, and tbh I hate all those miners that whine about people doing sandbox like stuff in a sandbox, all the time devaluing my labours by flooding the markets with cheap mining products they gathered while afk. I can deal with getting bumped, ganked and otherwise interfered with, via the mechanic of tear denial. I don't cry and whine when these things happen, I don't get mad, I accept it as a fact of life that others are free to interfere with how I play, because it's a sandbox and some people like to kick over other peoples sandcastles and even take a crap in the corner, while others like to construct sandcastles knowing full well they're going to get kicked over eventually.
Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
230
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Posted - 2012.10.26 18:46:00 -
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Miners really should not have laughed and told gankers to adapt over the barge changes. Look at the results, if only you had tanked your hulk you wouldn't have to worry about this horrible bumping now. Goonwaffe is now recruiting feel free to message me in game for information about joining! |
Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1748
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Posted - 2012.10.26 18:50:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Miners really should not have laughed and told gankers to adapt over the barge changes. Look at the results, if only you had tanked your hulk you wouldn't have to worry about this horrible bumping now.
I wish I could multiple like some post in this thread, this is one of them. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |
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