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WuMaTih
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.25 15:30:00 -
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Why is it been so low for so long? Is ccp planning to do anything about it? Its almost better to mine in highsec now than null. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
77
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Posted - 2012.10.25 15:48:00 -
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Supply and Demand |
Felicity Love
SIDERION JUMPSHIPS
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Posted - 2012.10.25 18:14:00 -
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Plenty of profit in Isogen, my man... Zyd is for little ol' ladies and their pension funds.
Sort of like of some other materials in this game that, despite alleged rarity and therefore an equally alleged value, aren't really used all that much (relatively speaking).
Or some "evil cabal" could force the price up... crazy game we have here, ain't it ? |
Toku Jiang
Jiang Laboratories and Discovery
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Posted - 2012.10.25 20:37:00 -
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It is absolutely better to mine in high sec right now. All of the low end mins have sky rocketed in price, but they high end mins haven't really changed. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
472
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Posted - 2012.10.26 10:54:00 -
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WuMaTih wrote:Why is it been so low for so long? Is ccp planning to do anything about it? Its almost better to mine in highsec now than null.
no, it's still 1.6m per jet can more lucrative to cherry pick in null than it is to cherry pick in empire.
considering a solo miner can fill a jetcan in under 20 mins, that's nearly 5mil per hour difference, which is a lot when you consider that's about an extra jetcan per hour. that's an extra 30 odd percent increase over empire.
tell me another way to make 30% more cash just by moving your ship to a new location. (also, throw in some fleet bonuses and you're pulling in even more) Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Takezo Wifebeater
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:54:00 -
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If you look at the market history of zydrine, you'll notice there was a speculative buble about the time they removed the drone poo from the east regions. I'm surprised though that there has been no longer term rise in the value, considering the reduction in supply, unless of course nullsec mining took up the slack. |
CataCourier
Asha' Man Corp
8
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:33:00 -
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Takezo Wifebeater wrote:nullsec mining took up the slack. Confirmed :)
Prices will eventually adjust as 0.0 miners continue to switch to Ark->Hedg->Hemo->Kernite->Jaspet instead of Ark->Bist->Crok... right now, Bistot and Crokite are worth less than everything except veldspar and the "bad" ores (omber,gneiss, ochre, spod). |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
809
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Posted - 2012.10.26 17:51:00 -
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Takezo Wifebeater wrote:nullsec mining took up the slack.
They did. Numbers tweeted by CCP diagoras confirmed this in the wake of the removal of the drone regions. High ends should not rise significantly without sweeping changes to mining in general. Until then, nullsec grav site farmers will always be able to supply the high ends necessary to consume any given amount of low ends, and then some. In other words, low ends are the bottleneck.
If anything I'd attribute the recent rise to strife in the south disrupting a lot of miners. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
fofofo |
CataCourier
Asha' Man Corp
8
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Posted - 2012.10.26 19:30:00 -
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corestwo wrote:CataCourier wrote:Takezo Wifebeater wrote:nullsec mining took up the slack. Confirmed :) Prices will eventually adjust as 0.0 miners continue to switch to Ark->Hedg->Hemo->Kernite->Jaspet instead of Ark->Bist->Crok... right now, Bistot and Crokite are worth less than everything except veldspar and the "bad" ores (omber,gneiss, ochre, spod). Not necessarily. If a miner or mining group's standard MO is to simply wipe out an entire grav site, they'll keep doing that and just be happy that the low ends are more valuable to help offset the drop on the high ends. On the other hand, if they want to cherrypick, taking the AHH(+JK) presents other problems. You've got to mine a certain amount to keep your industry index up, and there is far more ABC by volume than AHH+JK. In a large grav site, for example, the total volume of the ABC is 4.08 million m3. The sum total of the AHH is a mere 1.52 million m3; add the Jaspet & Kernite and you're still only at 3.68 million m3. In other words, if your strategy to maintain the industry level of a system (or systems) relied on the volumes generated by mining the ABC, you're going to have issues trying to do the same thing with AHH(+JK).
Agreed- cycling a large is going to happen regardless. But instead of cherry picking the other belts for ABC, they can more quickly cherry pick (based on volume) for AHH(+JK) and then get back to the large to continue cycling. I don't think the system maintenance is an issue 99% of the time- output of m3 isn't changing, just the composition of the m3 would. I suppose an argument could be made for having to move/popping rocks/etc, but it shouldn't be that big of a difference.
I haven't actually calculated this, but as far as I know, you can't maintain a level 3/4 system by solely cherry picking ABC by volume. If you can, it would be at level 3 and would be very, very close to dropping to 2. |
GreenSeed
90
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Posted - 2012.10.26 21:04:00 -
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hig sec minerals are too expensive, thats the problem. not the otherway around.
a way to fix it? increase the asteroid volume in hisec and let the animals wipe themselves out. |
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Biggesmall
Technomancers
0
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Posted - 2012.10.27 06:09:00 -
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There a guy in Gonan VI moon 12 name Taki paying out 30 isk on ore like vald and others. I don't know why lol but he started a mad rush of miner waiting to see what his next order is. Ailready I made 5 mill doing about 3 to 4 runs sometime he will drop it do down to 20 isk, but that stlll good isk. On the market there it only 5.70 or 6.00 isk. This guy is gaving isk away lol like work to hire . Peace to all |
Felicity Love
SIDERION JUMPSHIPS
12
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:11:00 -
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Seem to remember the issue of "Low Ends" being bantied around last year and folks asking CCP for some kind of "super-roid" with more low ends in it... whatever became of that ? My gin-soaked grey matter seems to connect that idea with Low Sec for some reason...
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Javajunky
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.10.28 20:05:00 -
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No one mines in a asteroid belt. You sit in a grav site or you sit on dark glitter. That's the way of Null Sec Life. Barring another change in material requirements, the Zydrine price will should be fairly stable.
Remember - The percentage of zyd found in the the large's were doubled in last winter's expansion to compensate for the drone poo nerf.
NET NET dont expect much change. It's the new normal. |
Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
84
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Posted - 2012.10.29 00:38:00 -
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You know one thing I feel many don't consider, ok nerf hi sec and now null controls minerals...and you just complained that Hi end minerals prices stink well what makes you think null will not flood market either as greed bags now flood market to get new jump in price, then as hi sec mines for trit and pyr they will profit too from price increase this just causes everything to rise in price, I can see 100 mil isk drakes and continued run away prices I am a hi sec miner and indy, go for it raise the prices on yourselves. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
817
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Posted - 2012.10.29 01:41:00 -
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can you try that again in english This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
fofofo |
Felicity Love
SIDERION JUMPSHIPS
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Posted - 2012.11.05 13:01:00 -
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Nice, healthy push in price... but will it last ? Stay tuned...
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Evil Alfie
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.05 15:41:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:Nice, healthy push in price... but will it last ? Stay tuned...
not likely, when some of the cfc alliances (looking at you Gents) have corps consisting of just one player and his 12-16 mining accounts out in nullsec :D |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
824
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Posted - 2012.11.05 15:59:00 -
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If I had to guess I'd say the rise in prices on high ends is due to the extended strife in the south. -A-'s renter fields are burning, SOLAR's renters are either burning or are deployed to war with SOLAR or both, etc. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
fofofo |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
333
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Posted - 2012.11.06 01:27:00 -
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An Aeon takes around 750,000 Zydrine to build. It takes a billion tritanium.
As long as Trit and Pyerite are in short supply, Zydrine and Megacyte will be in short demand. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
824
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Posted - 2012.11.06 03:18:00 -
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Skydell wrote:An Aeon takes around 750,000 Zydrine to build. It takes a billion tritanium.
As long as Trit and Pyerite are in short supply, Zydrine and Megacyte will be in short demand.
this is literally the only intelligent thing I have seen you post, ever. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
fofofo |
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
76
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Posted - 2012.11.06 03:23:00 -
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So, why is price spiking up?
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Rebecca Cairn
Cairn Trade Corp
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Posted - 2012.11.06 03:38:00 -
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What is spiking? |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
824
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Posted - 2012.11.06 03:58:00 -
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Block Ukx wrote:
So, why is price spiking up?
True, it does come off as an odd thing to say in light of...
corestwo wrote:If I had to guess I'd say the rise in prices on high ends is due to the extended strife in the south. -A-'s renter fields are burning, SOLAR's renters are either burning or are deployed to war with SOLAR or both, etc.
this. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
fofofo |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
333
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Posted - 2012.11.06 04:58:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Skydell wrote:An Aeon takes around 750,000 Zydrine to build. It takes a billion tritanium.
As long as Trit and Pyerite are in short supply, Zydrine and Megacyte will be in short demand. this is literally the only intelligent thing I have seen you post, ever.
When in Rome. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
232
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Posted - 2012.11.06 15:44:00 -
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Well I believe it is far simpler than the complexity many others are seeing. Keep in mind that most miners mine because it is easy isk, not high isk, just easy. They do not like a lot of work.
I am a firm believer that the low prices of omber seen for so long is due to one simple fact. Miners Bilbe This guide although written many years ago, is still followed by most miners. It recommends mining omber. Many new miners just follow this advice without checking the market to see if omber is still worth mining. Many of those that do check see the high price per unit of omber and think well that looks good. So they mine omber. This has flooded the market for so many years omber has never been able to recover. There are few miners who actually realize the problem with omber is it's size per unit in m3 and mining yield is based on m3 not # of units. In my opinion this is what has kept omber in an over supplied state for so many years.
What does this have to do with the current discussion on null sec minerals? Well as I said, the answer is far simpler that most realize. The fact is that even without further manipulation by the game developers null sec minerals will rise in value.
I am confident in this statement due to the simple fact that miners in general prefer to keep things simple. Currently with high sec minerals being on par at least from an isk/hr point of view with null sec there really is no benefit for a bunch of carebears to mine in null rather than in high sec. There are many many null bear corps out there that rent space from the larger PVP alliances to mine and do industry in null. Once you take the rental fees off the top this null sec mining is less isk/hr that high sec mining. As long as null sec minerals stay low, more and more of these null bears will move back to high sec.
It is a fact that it took several months after the drone POO nerf before the market really reacted, due to massive stockpiles of minerals. Add to that the fact that an established null sec mining operation is a big job to pack up and move. especially if they are supported by roquals which they can not take with them to high sec. But if the prices stay low these operations will slowly die off and move to high sec.
I expect we have already reached a point where the supply of null sec minerals has dropped. It just has not impacted the market yet due to huge stockpiles. once these stockplies dry up we will see a surge in the value of null sec minerals.
Just as the market has recently started to stabilize from the increase in high sec mineral value, I have sen trit go from stable around 3 isk/unit to stable around 6 isk/unit. I believe that null sec mineral value will do the same but due to a much lower demand than high sec mineral and equal stockpiles, its surge has just been delayed. I believe we are just seeing the start of that surge now.
In any MMO the risk vs reward will always create a natural balance in the game. players will just not focus on certain activities if they can get the same rewards from doing lower risk activities. With the new mining barge changes high sec ganking has moved away from miners and more toward haulers. Thus the equality of null sec ores and high sec ores in price can not be sustained. it will balance out. We are just seeing the effects of stockpiles and market manipulations delaying that balance, but it will come, and very quickly when those stockpiles dry up. |
mickydees
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.11.06 17:44:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Well I believe it is far simpler than the complexity many others are seeing. Keep in mind that most miners mine because it is easy isk, not high isk, just easy. They do not like a lot of work. I am a firm believer that the low prices of omber seen for so long is due to one simple fact. Miners Bilbe This guide although written many years ago, is still followed by most miners. It recommends mining omber. Many new miners just follow this advice without checking the market to see if omber is still worth mining. Many of those that do check see the high price per unit of omber and think well that looks good. So they mine omber. This has flooded the market for so many years omber has never been able to recover. There are few miners who actually realize the problem with omber is it's size per unit in m3 and mining yield is based on m3 not # of units. In my opinion this is what has kept omber in an over supplied state for so many years. What does this have to do with the current discussion on null sec minerals? Well as I said, the answer is far simpler that most realize. The fact is that even without further manipulation by the game developers null sec minerals will rise in value. I am confident in this statement due to the simple fact that miners in general prefer to keep things simple. Currently with high sec minerals being on par at least from an isk/hr point of view with null sec there really is no benefit for a bunch of carebears to mine in null rather than in high sec. There are many many null bear corps out there that rent space from the larger PVP alliances to mine and do industry in null. Once you take the rental fees off the top this null sec mining is less isk/hr that high sec mining. As long as null sec minerals stay low, more and more of these null bears will move back to high sec. It is a fact that it took several months after the drone POO nerf before the market really reacted, due to massive stockpiles of minerals. Add to that the fact that an established null sec mining operation is a big job to pack up and move. especially if they are supported by roquals which they can not take with them to high sec. But if the prices stay low these operations will slowly die off and move to high sec. I expect we have already reached a point where the supply of null sec minerals has dropped. It just has not impacted the market yet due to huge stockpiles. once these stockplies dry up we will see a surge in the value of null sec minerals. Just as the market has recently started to stabilize from the increase in high sec mineral value, I have sen trit go from stable around 3 isk/unit to stable around 6 isk/unit. I believe that null sec mineral value will do the same but due to a much lower demand than high sec mineral and equal stockpiles, its surge has just been delayed. I believe we are just seeing the start of that surge now. In any MMO the risk vs reward will always create a natural balance in the game. players will just not focus on certain activities if they can get the same rewards from doing lower risk activities. With the new mining barge changes high sec ganking has moved away from miners and more toward haulers. Thus the equality of null sec ores and high sec ores in price can not be sustained. it will balance out. We are just seeing the effects of stockpiles and market manipulations delaying that balance, but it will come, and very quickly when those stockpiles dry up.
So would you say investing now would not be a bad idea? |
qDoctor Strangelove
TaskF0rce Executive Vice Empire
43
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Posted - 2012.11.06 17:49:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Well I believe it is far simpler than the complexity many others are seeing. Keep in mind that most miners mine because it is easy isk, not high isk, just easy. They do not like a lot of work. I am a firm believer that the low prices of omber seen for so long is due to one simple fact. Miners Bilbe This guide although written many years ago, is still followed by most miners. It recommends mining omber. Many new miners just follow this advice without checking the market to see if omber is still worth mining. Many of those that do check see the high price per unit of omber and think well that looks good. So they mine omber. This has flooded the market for so many years omber has never been able to recover. There are few miners who actually realize the problem with omber is it's size per unit in m3 and mining yield is based on m3 not # of units. In my opinion this is what has kept omber in an over supplied state for so many years. What does this have to do with the current discussion on null sec minerals? Well as I said, the answer is far simpler that most realize. The fact is that even without further manipulation by the game developers null sec minerals will rise in value. I am confident in this statement due to the simple fact that miners in general prefer to keep things simple. Currently with high sec minerals being on par at least from an isk/hr point of view with null sec there really is no benefit for a bunch of carebears to mine in null rather than in high sec. There are many many null bear corps out there that rent space from the larger PVP alliances to mine and do industry in null. Once you take the rental fees off the top this null sec mining is less isk/hr that high sec mining. As long as null sec minerals stay low, more and more of these null bears will move back to high sec. It is a fact that it took several months after the drone POO nerf before the market really reacted, due to massive stockpiles of minerals. Add to that the fact that an established null sec mining operation is a big job to pack up and move. especially if they are supported by roquals which they can not take with them to high sec. But if the prices stay low these operations will slowly die off and move to high sec. I expect we have already reached a point where the supply of null sec minerals has dropped. It just has not impacted the market yet due to huge stockpiles. once these stockplies dry up we will see a surge in the value of null sec minerals. Just as the market has recently started to stabilize from the increase in high sec mineral value, I have sen trit go from stable around 3 isk/unit to stable around 6 isk/unit. I believe that null sec mineral value will do the same but due to a much lower demand than high sec mineral and equal stockpiles, its surge has just been delayed. I believe we are just seeing the start of that surge now. In any MMO the risk vs reward will always create a natural balance in the game. players will just not focus on certain activities if they can get the same rewards from doing lower risk activities. With the new mining barge changes high sec ganking has moved away from miners and more toward haulers. Thus the equality of null sec ores and high sec ores in price can not be sustained. it will balance out. We are just seeing the effects of stockpiles and market manipulations delaying that balance, but it will come, and very quickly when those stockpiles dry up.
High ends will spike once low ends drop. Not before.
Also, if CCP added some null sec infrastructure that is really mega/zyd intensive, it might go back up, but it seems dead atm |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
222
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Posted - 2012.11.06 19:54:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Well I believe it is far simpler than the complexity many others are seeing. Keep in mind that most miners mine because it is easy isk, not high isk, just easy. They do not like a lot of work. I am a firm believer that the low prices of omber seen for so long is due to one simple fact. Miners Bilbe This guide although written many years ago, is still followed by most miners. It recommends mining omber. Many new miners just follow this advice without checking the market to see if omber is still worth mining. Many of those that do check see the high price per unit of omber and think well that looks good. So they mine omber. This has flooded the market for so many years omber has never been able to recover. There are few miners who actually realize the problem with omber is it's size per unit in m3 and mining yield is based on m3 not # of units. In my opinion this is what has kept omber in an over supplied state for so many years. What does this have to do with the current discussion on null sec minerals? Well as I said, the answer is far simpler that most realize. The fact is that even without further manipulation by the game developers null sec minerals will rise in value. I am confident in this statement due to the simple fact that miners in general prefer to keep things simple. Currently with high sec minerals being on par at least from an isk/hr point of view with null sec there really is no benefit for a bunch of carebears to mine in null rather than in high sec. There are many many null bear corps out there that rent space from the larger PVP alliances to mine and do industry in null. Once you take the rental fees off the top this null sec mining is less isk/hr that high sec mining. As long as null sec minerals stay low, more and more of these null bears will move back to high sec. It is a fact that it took several months after the drone POO nerf before the market really reacted, due to massive stockpiles of minerals. Add to that the fact that an established null sec mining operation is a big job to pack up and move. especially if they are supported by roquals which they can not take with them to high sec. But if the prices stay low these operations will slowly die off and move to high sec. I expect we have already reached a point where the supply of null sec minerals has dropped. It just has not impacted the market yet due to huge stockpiles. once these stockplies dry up we will see a surge in the value of null sec minerals. Just as the market has recently started to stabilize from the increase in high sec mineral value, I have sen trit go from stable around 3 isk/unit to stable around 6 isk/unit. I believe that null sec mineral value will do the same but due to a much lower demand than high sec mineral and equal stockpiles, its surge has just been delayed. I believe we are just seeing the start of that surge now. In any MMO the risk vs reward will always create a natural balance in the game. players will just not focus on certain activities if they can get the same rewards from doing lower risk activities. With the new mining barge changes high sec ganking has moved away from miners and more toward haulers. Thus the equality of null sec ores and high sec ores in price can not be sustained. it will balance out. We are just seeing the effects of stockpiles and market manipulations delaying that balance, but it will come, and very quickly when those stockpiles dry up.
All High sec Gravs have Omber as well.
R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Watooshi Makoochji
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.11.07 03:22:00 -
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Seem to recall talk about CCP having an interest in making high sec mining viable and interesting. Sounds like it is working. |
Selene D'Celeste
The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six
473
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Posted - 2012.11.08 03:06:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Skydell wrote:An Aeon takes around 750,000 Zydrine to build. It takes a billion tritanium.
As long as Trit and Pyerite are in short supply, Zydrine and Megacyte will be in short demand. this is literally the only intelligent thing I have seen you post, ever.
I've missed you.
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