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Logan LaMort
Black Rebel Rifter Club
1272
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Posted - 2012.10.26 08:41:00 -
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Made me laugh almost as much as 'Bounty hunting'. I'm really liking the new destroyers though, I mean sure they're ugly in some ways, but that's what makes them so beautiful.
If I wanted to be flying a spaceship that had crazy clean nonsensical angles and was the coolest spaceship that ever was, I'd be playing some kind of anime Japanese game. Although for the record I think the new Gallente destroyer is the sexiest ship that ever was. |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
205
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Posted - 2012.10.26 08:50:00 -
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Honestly, I'm a bit underwhelmed by the new Dessies. While I can understand the "lets use the 'other' weapon system" that's a bit too simplistic imo. They add nothing and do nothing compared to the current ones. They still **** frigs, they still suck against cruisers and they're still very very niche.
The Amarr one especially sucks, first of all the looks are... wrong, it looks like a giant bug from the top and is amazingly similar to the Coercer (while the other races have a very different look compared to the current ones) and looks like a lazy design by someone who doesn't understand Amarr design language. Then we get to the bonuses, range to nos/neut sounds cool but it doesn't do anything on a ship like this, it'll pwn frigs regardless of it and it'll die to cruisers regardless of it, especially with the low amount of midslots. It also forces it into scram range (not like it's fast&agile enough to avoid it). Then the split weapon systems, really... REALLY? Unbonused and useless.
Gallente one makes sense and is close to being OP, Caldari one makes sense ofcourse, the Minmatar does not make sense (if anything the Minnie one should be mixed weapon systems) and all 3 of those look awesome in their own way. The Amarr one adds nothing other than "look it's not laser based", it's bonuses are just weird and it's a terrible eye sore. Amat victoria curam. |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
219
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Posted - 2012.10.26 09:02:00 -
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Love the video, CCP and Guard are almost back to the "Permaband - HTFU"-level now :) . |
Claire Raynor
NovaGear
27
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Posted - 2012.10.26 10:48:00 -
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I actually really like the look of the Amarr Destroyer that was shown. It looks like a bug like has been said. I was thinking the Amarr stuff is starting to look more and more insect inspired. If the Amarr Destroyer landed on a planet - and about a dozen legs came out on each side - that would rock!!!
Mega happy about my new Minmatar Destroyer. It looks nice :) |
Manes Avatarr
Adventurers
1
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Posted - 2012.10.26 10:50:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:The latest episode in the In Development series reveals even more of the Retribution Expansion coming on December 4. It also reveals some other things but you'll find that out for yourselves by going right here.Enjoy! Please put some images along with video link, ppl have not access to YT video playback (at work for ie) and would like to look at news.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1412
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Posted - 2012.10.26 11:25:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:War Kitten wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:CCP Guard wrote:Ager Agemo wrote:not all t1 cruisers, faction ones arent being looked at, and the navy caracal right now is a sorry excuse of a cruiser. We'll get to them all! :) When? Aren't you the troll with the thread telling CCP to slow down and take their time? They'll get it done when they get it done, and I'm sure they'll coordinate with you personally on an appropriate schedule. I am indeed the voice of reason suggesting they slow down multiple changes simultaneously. And this is yet another example of a half-baked implementation, where you will end up with some generic T1 ships being superior to their faction, Navy, and possibly T2 counterparts. The entire revamp, if necessary at all, should have been ALL frigate hulls, then once that was working properly, ALL the cruiser hulls, then ALL the BS hulls. Not some shotgun approach.
You're right, what were they thinking? No other plan of rollout could possibly make more sense than yours, considering your extensive experience with MMORPG balancing changes and feature rollouts.
After-all, one man with one closed mind must know better than an organization with multiple teams all working on many projects at once. Your method is the epitome of efficiency, and will certainly not cause an increase in backlogs while several teams wait for their chance to go through the Dinsdale turn-style of approval.
I eagerly await the day when they realize your brilliance and announce the hiring of CCP Tunnafish and it turns out to be you.
(The incorrect double-n will be a dead giveaway though)
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Echo Mande
34
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Posted - 2012.10.26 12:02:00 -
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Overall a good video devblog. I look forward to seeing the ships and changed ships.
Guard has IMO been stashed in a place he belongs (though IMO he belongs in a straightjacket) and his predicament sets the stage for a DUST devblog centered around some dustbunnies breaking him out . . . |
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers Intrepid Crossing
142
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Posted - 2012.10.26 12:20:00 -
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honestly i thought that the Amarr dessie looked alot more like the torpedo frigate from homeworld 2 |
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
754
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Posted - 2012.10.26 13:09:00 -
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Callic Veratar wrote:Unfortunate that the final amarr destroyer model ended up looking like a fat Coercer. Many of the concept images looked really good and, more importantly, different than the final design.
Yeah some of the other amarr designed looked ALLOT better then the current, abaddon/coercer baby.
- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Food Processing and Manufacture GmbH
75
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Posted - 2012.10.26 13:30:00 -
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There is also the idea, Kitten, to use what is said to be CCP's official new policy: Iterative Roll-outs. We could see the Dessies come out, and then shortly (and I mean less than a month), some of the cruisers. CCP loves to dump a load, and see who mucks their way to the top.
War Kitten wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:War Kitten wrote:Aren't you the troll with the thread telling CCP to slow down and take their time? They'll get it done when they get it done, and I'm sure they'll coordinate with you personally on an appropriate schedule. I am indeed the voice of reason suggesting they slow down multiple changes simultaneously. And this is yet another example of a half-baked implementation, where you will end up with some generic T1 ships being superior to their faction, Navy, and possibly T2 counterparts. The entire revamp, if necessary at all, should have been ALL frigate hulls, then once that was working properly, ALL the cruiser hulls, then ALL the BS hulls. Not some shotgun approach. You're right, what were they thinking? No other plan of rollout could possibly make more sense than yours, considering your extensive experience with MMORPG balancing changes and feature rollouts. After-all, one man with one closed mind must know better than an organization with multiple teams all working on many projects at once. Your method is the epitome of efficiency, and will certainly not cause an increase in backlogs while several teams wait for their chance to go through the Dinsdale turn-style of approval. I eagerly await the day when they realize your brilliance and announce the hiring of CCP Tunnafish and it turns out to be you. (The incorrect double-n will be a dead giveaway though) |
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ISquishWorms
167
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:17:00 -
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Free CCP Guard!!!
Really informative and funny video loved it. Dear Santa, all I would like for-áChristmas 2013-áare some snowballs and something to fire them from please, thank you. |
Karl Planck
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
293
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:19:00 -
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lol love these vids. Good stuffz the design of the new dessies Low-sec Best-sec |
Dersen Lowery
Knavery Inc. StructureDamage
145
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:20:00 -
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Why would they do that if they feel the ships will be ready for the major release?
If you go look at the threads in Features & Ideas, there's plenty of iteration and plenty of refinement over a fairly long period of time. And Duality is open for testing right now. |
Iq Cadaen
Cold Moon Destruction Talocan United
10
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:56:00 -
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Have to say the Amarr design is a big disappointment. All the sketched designs shown in the video were miles above the final product. Amarr ships are supposed to be sleek and shiny not ribbed and unwieldy. |
Bantara
Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:42:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: (unrealistic whine/rant/request snipped...) Dinsdale, you have been in Eve so long, apparently, that you have forgotten that the game is not built upon T2 ships. The root of ship design are the T1s, which is why they must be looked at first. Then T2, and somewhere along the line (I think they said after T2) the navy ships.
This is not shotgun nor haphazard. It is very logical. Also, since more problems would have been introduced had they started with the trimming(T2) instead of the foundation(T1), many problems have been avoided ahd they done it your way.
They have done a much larger amount of work than I for one would have ever anticipated for a single release, and I am very satisfied with the CCP we have seen post-Incarna.
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Komen
Capital Enrichment Services Transmission Lost
147
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:55:00 -
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I love that little gallente bit. Drone boat, is it? Mmmm-hmmm.
I gotta say that overall, this expansion is looking more like a Crucible and less like an Inferno (I can make my way around in the new inventory, but something in it got borked when it comes to using it inside a POS with CHA and SMA).
Now completely redesign the looks of the dominix to make it look cool, and I'll be a happy little hedonistic democrat. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2666
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:56:00 -
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Haifisch Zahne wrote:I got it: the Amarr destroyer looks like the Eagle Transporter from the old TV series Space 1999! (I liked that show.) It does at that, but frankly it more closely resembles a Purifier with a couple of protrusions on the sides.
I'm not really seeing why people compare it to the Coercer... the only resemblence there is the side protrusions (but it has two, not one) and it's basically sort of a tube shape (like many other ships in EVE). To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
98
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:57:00 -
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I take back all the grumbles I had about the new Minmatar hull. The original renders made it look horrific, but seeing it fly through that gate... want. I even like the pillbox hat cockpit. And anything that continues the tradition of "who would put solar panels here? Oh, right, we're Minmatar, that's just extra flair armor" is alright in my book. I'm not one for missiles, but this looks like an awesome little ship.
As to the 'funny' bits: CCP Guard in prison was amusing. His 'rescuer' and all that... how about we spend more time with the concept art, or in space renders, or anything but these mini-plays? Please?
Otherwise, keep up the great work. Winter is coming. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2666
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Posted - 2012.10.26 17:16:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Haifisch Zahne wrote:I got it: the Amarr destroyer looks like the Eagle Transporter from the old TV series Space 1999! (I liked that show.) It does at that, but frankly it more closely resembles a Purifier with a couple of protrusions on the sides. I'm not really seeing why people compare it to the Coercer... the only resemblence there is the side protrusions (but it has two, not one) and it's basically sort of a tube shape (like many other ships in EVE). To illustrate the point to those that are thinking of the old Purifier. New Purifier To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Food Processing and Manufacture GmbH
76
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:26:00 -
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Yes, I can see why you are disappointed with the new Destroyers: adds a new kind of weapon system to a class of ships that are ALL turret based, can't take on cruisers (too bad they rule over frigates, kick ass in wolfpacks, and very simply aren't designed to take on a ship like that without numbers) , they're still just frigates (with twice as many guns of any I know), the Amarr one looks ike a bug... just like most Amarr ships do, the CCP devs don't understand the look and feel of they're own product (shame, shame on them), the Amarr one is mixed weapon system (go figure it's Amarr and sucks, and incidentally is similar to a few Amarr ships whose names I don't care to look up), the Amarr one doesn't have lasers (I think they said it did, no?), the Minmatar one is not mixed weapon systems like the Tempest (but unlike, obviously, the existing destroyer, but also, by and large, the Hurricane, Tornado, Tempest, Maelstrom, and if you will permit me, the Machariel and who only knows which frigates).
Yes, I think you are quite correct. Many good and well thought out points.
Vilnius Zar wrote:Honestly, I'm a bit underwhelmed by the new Dessies. While I can understand the "lets use the 'other' weapon system" that's a bit too simplistic imo. They add nothing and do nothing compared to the current ones. They still **** frigs, they still suck against cruisers and they're still very very niche.
The Amarr one especially sucks, first of all the looks are... wrong, it looks like a giant bug from the top and is amazingly similar to the Coercer (while the other races have a very different look compared to the current ones) and looks like a lazy design by someone who doesn't understand Amarr design language. Then we get to the bonuses, range to nos/neut sounds cool but it doesn't do anything on a ship like this, it'll pwn frigs regardless of it and it'll die to cruisers regardless of it, especially with the low amount of midslots. It also forces it into scram range (not like it's fast&agile enough to avoid it). Then the split weapon systems, really... REALLY? Unbonused and useless.
Gallente one makes sense and is close to being OP, Caldari one makes sense ofcourse, the Minmatar does not make sense (if anything the Minnie one should be mixed weapon systems) and all 3 of those look awesome in their own way. The Amarr one adds nothing other than "look it's not laser based", it's bonuses are just weird and it's a terrible eye sore.
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Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Food Processing and Manufacture GmbH
76
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:31:00 -
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I rather like the look of the Minmatar frigate. Very fond of its snow plow (for ice belts, I presume). The pill box is a little too reminiscent for me of the Monitor, a superb little ship that held its own against the Merrimac, which also held its own. |
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Food Processing and Manufacture GmbH
76
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:35:00 -
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I just couldn't make it out, so I will stick with Liliputian. Too funny.
(CCP Guard, for being the "butt" of the humor in these vids, I have to give you kudos!)
The D1ngo wrote:Hello CCP Guard, Please forgive me, but at first glance I thought your name tag read as "Liliputian". I felt guilty, so I felt I should write this post to cleanse myself. |
Shaera Taam
Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
47
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:43:00 -
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i am of the humble opinion that the t1 cruiser re-balance is going to be quite nice this winter, and am very much looking forward to it. thanks, ccp!
...now what i'm *really* looking forward to is when all the t1's are done and they move on to the faction ship balancing! wasnt going to mention, t2, lol, but that'll be a while...
\o/
Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess! |
SunTsu Rae
Legio VIII Augusta The Ancients.
2
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Posted - 2012.10.27 09:46:00 -
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I'm sort of lost as to what the suicidal gimp at the end had to do with anything . . . .
Looking forward to the Gallente Destroyer , ( 8.9M SP in drones ) SunTsu Rae Ensuring Rights, Recognition, and Remembrance. (Gulf War 1991) [url]http://www.vfw.org[/url] |
Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
360
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Posted - 2012.10.27 14:26:00 -
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Nice finish on the Destroyers. Surprisingly, I like the Minmatar Destroyer better now than initially, and I'm not as impressed by the Gallente Destroyers as I thought I'd be. Still, it looks good, as they all do.
Roles and abilities all sound good and they should be new and interesting, along with everything else.
I must admit, the rest of the video content was 'interesting'. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Iyacia Cyric'ai
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.10.28 03:19:00 -
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I think the new Caldari and Gallante destroyers rank among the best looking ships in the entire game. I suspect as with all minmatar ships I will learn to love the design after some time but it'll be an acquired taste. The Amarr destroyer does actually look decent, and it's not unprecedented for Amarr destoyers to look similar or even near identical to other Amarr ships (in this case the Coercer), but I do agree that the last 3 of the concept art design looked better, but I do see that they may have been trying hard to avoid it looking like a bulky executioner.
As for role, I don't know why people think the Amarr Destroyer will be underpowered. Energy Neuts are absolutely devastating to frigates. Even if the frigate doesn't use cap to fire their weapons, it'll turn of the prop mod/tackle and everyone knows what happens to frigates that lose range/speed control. With a tracking disruptor or sensor damp, it'll basically be a mini Curse, albeit limited to gangwork since it'll lack a point if it fits a midslot ewar mod.
Caldari/Minmatar will be great as well for gang work, with solo work probably best done in the minnie ship (since I hear the Caldari one will be slower but tankier). The only concern I have is the Gallante destroyer. Short range and slow isn't that good on big ships, so it'll be even worse on a smaller hull. That said maybe the 3 midslots will allow a reasonably speedy shield/gank fit, or an armor version with the ability to fit TD for big targets and web against frigates (something the catalyst can't do).
Eitherway I'm loving all these changes. CCP has certainly picked up their act since Incarna. |
Lost True
Paradise project
1979
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Posted - 2012.10.28 03:38:00 -
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CCP Guard is the only reason why i watch Your videos :)
BTW why are you balancing those t1 destroyers and cruisers? Who cares - T2 ships are better anyway.
Why would i buy caldarian or minmatar destroyer when i have the Vengeance in my dock? Because of their look?.. Well, yes i will But there has to be a better reason for it... Waiting for WiS for 4 years now. Discussion thread about WiS
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Hienz Doofenshmirtz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.10.28 07:49:00 -
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Can't wait for the next dev video to find out what happens to CCP Guard, and CCP Squirrel, btw I'm still waiting for a new single from Permaband |
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
38
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Posted - 2012.10.28 08:12:00 -
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I enjoyed watching the video!
I still think that WiS (or exploring abandoned ones) should be developed rather than yet more spaceships.
Spaceships are subject to the law of diminishing returns. |
Ameno Furi
QUASAR Trade Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.10.28 08:44:00 -
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heya and sorry for whats coming next....but the first thought i had as i looked at the armarr destroyer was "oh they made a flying snickers"...
honestly when i look at the caldari or the gallente destroyer i realy love the look of them...but for the armarr one...yes the look is armarr like but i was hoping to see something unique in the way it would like like its on the others which i realy like.
whats everyone else thinking about the new looks of the destroyers |
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