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Daudur Munkur
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Posted - 2005.04.02 08:30:00 -
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Just want to tell everyone my opinoin becouse i know you LOVE to hear it becouse im so important. Im starting to hate these ships, everyone flys one becouse they are overpowered and to me its just like cheating. If you dissagree, you just want to keep the advantage. I HATE RAVENS!!
Im not kidding.. 70-80% of the BSs i see while playing are ravens. This is a joke.
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.04.02 08:34:00 -
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You're full of it. There are too many Tempests in game.. seems like every other ship I see is a Tempest
on a serious note. The two ships to have are the Apoc and the Raven. Raven is the best all around ship, so you'll see more of them out in the battlefield. Apoc is no slouch though, definitely a close number2 on the most used battleships. ________
I'm strict Caldari
"The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think?
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Vex Seraphim
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Posted - 2005.04.02 08:34:00 -
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Try pvping once a year, you won't see many ravens in that scene. ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard ::
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Daudur Munkur
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Posted - 2005.04.02 08:39:00 -
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I dont pvp at all, atleast not so far. But in NPCing raven is clearly the best choice, isnt it ? Maybe there has to be one. But there are so many!
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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.04.02 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Daudur Munkur Just want to tell everyone my opinoin becouse i know you LOVE to hear it becouse im so important. Im starting to hate these ships, everyone flys one becouse they are overpowered and to me its just like cheating. If you dissagree, you just want to keep the advantage. I HATE RAVENS!!
Im not kidding.. 70-80% of the BSs i see while playing are ravens. This is a joke.
BLASFEMY
The Raven you hate so much means the tech superiority of the Caldari. As one you should *snip*
If other races are using it means they accept OUR superiority.
Furthermore with the new Scorpion changes it means its the only damage dealing BS Caldari have. Do you want also that we lose it???
BLASFEMY I SAY
Please keep it friendly thanks - Jacques Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station |
Noriath
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Posted - 2005.04.02 08:40:00 -
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Raven is a battleship that can basicly be piloted by trained monkeys (and some really smart caldari) so anyone can get a Raven and run an effective setup on it in maybe two months of training. An Apoc? Roughly 6 mil+ skillpoints in combat and technical skills required to be really great in it.
Also once you have a raven you can run missions all day long and become a billionaire without ever even talking to another player - as it should be the case in every great multiplayer game
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.04.02 08:41:00 -
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I don't know if it matters.. but PA's killboard
Final Blow: Raven - 20 Apoc - 19 Tempest - 27 Megathron - 23
Involved in: Raven - 71 Apoc - 30 Tempest - 48 Megathron - 45
Losses: Raven - 14 Apoc - 12 Tempest - 7 Megathron - 6
Make your own conclusion.. i just thought it would be interesting ________
I'm strict Caldari
"The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think?
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.04.02 08:49:00 -
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that list says to me that tempests and megathrons are to be feared if their pilots are good. There are a lot of newb ravens and the apoc is hardly used for PvP ________
I'm strict Caldari
"The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think?
-ErrorS |
Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.04.02 08:52:00 -
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he sees Ravens all the time cause he's agent whoring in empire like everyone else :-)
NPCs should start spamming much more denfenders.. that'll balance things a bit
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Daudur Munkur
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Posted - 2005.04.02 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Face Lifter he sees Ravens all the time cause he's agent whoring in empire like everyone else :-)
NPCs should start spamming much more denfenders.. that'll balance things a bit
I fly a mega, and rarely go to empire.
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2005.04.02 09:00:00 -
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k ur raven vs my gankathron, taking all bets
Ravens = crap for 90% of pvp situations because ur dead after only a few volleys hit with all the gankships out ther. __
There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
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Messerschmitt facility
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Posted - 2005.04.02 09:03:00 -
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Yea the smallest number is gues what, apoc, amarr. And what CCP do? Nerf us. If we were so powerfull how come many use tempests/meghatron? CCP conspiracy _________________________________
A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking...
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Discodude
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Posted - 2005.04.02 09:04:00 -
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Apoc IMO is best NPcing ship but well see after the megapulse nerf if that's still true.
on another note The caldari scorpion is about to become the most useless battle ship when the "adjustments" happen meaning it'll get raped by any other bs's in terms of fire power (looses missle bonus and possably a missle nerf soon aswell) and defences due to the fact that ew will now be ****** over (ew = scorpions main defences) which makes the scorpion = useless -----------------------------------------------
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his" General George Patton Jr. |
Myko
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Posted - 2005.04.02 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Messerschmitt facility Yea the smallest number is gues what, apoc, amarr. And what CCP do? Nerf us. If we were so powerfull how come many use tempests/meghatron? CCP conspiracy
i'm guessing that list only covers the lvl 2 battleships, i wonder how many arma's are on that killboard...
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Masi
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Posted - 2005.04.02 09:23:00 -
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Thing is you can sit out. drop your load. Thats it in a Raven. I would like to see NPCs drain CAP etc. That would make Agents, NPCs differcult. -------------------------
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Golan Trevize
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Posted - 2005.04.02 10:00:00 -
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All i see is Geddons and Apocs The Gallente ideals of Freedom, Liberty and Equality will be met by the Amarr realities of Lasers, Armor and Battleships. |
Aelius
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Posted - 2005.04.02 10:01:00 -
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Quote: Please keep it friendly thanks - Jacques
That "STFU" was a Roleplay "STFU", not personaly directed to the player in question. Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station |
Sangxianc
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Posted - 2005.04.02 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius
Quote: Please keep it friendly thanks - Jacques
That "STFU" was a Roleplay "STFU", not personaly directed to the player in question.
That's a genius way out of trouble. I'll have to remember it.
"You know what? **** you!" Omg Bann0r him! "Oh, I was just roleplaying" Ok cool, have all my money.
- Any man's death diminishes me, as I am involved in mankinde; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee. |
Kusotarre
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Posted - 2005.04.02 10:19:00 -
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Most BS I see lately are scorps, ravens, geddons and tempests.
Geddons are getting nerfed, tempests are balanced, scorps are.. well, scorps.
But the raven... missiles need to be nerfed. Anything smaller than a BS will have to leave if the raven starts shooting it. It is simply too strong versus ships under it's size class. I know, same old argument, blah blah blah. But FFS, it really needs to be fixed. As it stands now, and especially with the new reduced duration on warp scramblers, Caldari ships are damn near impossible to tackle.
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.04.02 10:44:00 -
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and I see quite a few ravens, apocs, scorpions, armageddons and megathrons.. the ones I rarely see are tempests, typhoons and dominixes.
If someone if flying a Temptest expect them to be good. They're awesome ships if the pilot knows what they're doing.. and doesn't jump in the ship of the month every chance he gets. I think the involved in vs. final blows vs. losses in my list proves this..
Everyone says "OFG RAVEN IS OVERPOWERED", everyone starts to fly ravens.. this just makes skilled tempest and megathron pilots happy, as you can see in my list. Someone that flys a new ship every month will never be as good as a pilot who sticks to one ship.
Raven isn't overpowered, people just think they are. The final blow will continue to grow slowly for raven pilots while the losses grow at a much quicker rate. The exact oppisite for the 'weak ships of the month', megathrons and tempests for example.
Apoc pilots are newbs, so they're the ones jumping in Ravens at the moment thats why you see so few Apocs in the list.
heh, jk. ________
I'm strict Caldari
"The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think?
-ErrorS |
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.04.02 10:47:00 -
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Apocs are still nr1 used BS on the BoB killboards afaik. At least they were before.
Using a PA killboards says little tbh, a parttime pvp'er brings the ship he has, a fulltime pvp'er brings the ship he wants. _______________________________________________
Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues. |
Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.04.02 10:56:00 -
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Funny how everyone keeps sceaming for a missile nerf.
If my memory serves me right, when the missiles were 10x as expensive there was almost no whining at all.
It's not like they are now so much better then turrets then they were back then.
As for their versatiity, well that's the whole point of using them. And it came at a hefty price, which made it quite balanced...until CCP had another one of their stupid ideas.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.04.02 10:58:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 02/04/2005 10:59:25 people've been asking for a torp and cruise nerf for agaes againhst small ships.
From just about when dual mwd/ab got a nerf, and it intensified alot when that assinine curve cutting missile flight thing was introduced.
That's what ? 4-5 months ago ?
Some missiles need a boost, some need a nerf, the whole system needs looking at, period.
And the price of torps and cruises couldnt worry me in any way if ccp made em 10x as expensive again. Stillis nothing big to shoot off a few mill per night is it ? _______________________________________________
Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues. |
ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.04.02 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: ErrorS on 02/04/2005 11:06:26 I agree with Rod. Missles arent overpowered, they're broken
Cruise missles don't do enough damage and they suck at range but they kill frigates too easily. Increase speed, do something so frigates have an easier time to defend against them and they would be great.
torpedos do too much damage at extreme ranges, but they're heavy and hard to carry.. balanced for close range fighting. Maybe reduce torpedos's speed a bit and they would be awesome
heavy missles just suck.. light missles are weak.. rockets are decent
and i dont think they're too expensive right now. torps can be a bit on the high side, but even they're not that bad.
i hate moving them though.. raven can hold roughly 1000 torps, you need an indy alongside you to move a raven's base of operations if you don't have someone there building for you. ________
I'm strict Caldari
"The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think?
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.04.02 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine Apocs are still nr1 used BS on the BoB killboards afaik. At least they were before.
Using a PA killboards says little tbh, a parttime pvp'er brings the ship he has, a fulltime pvp'er brings the ship he wants.
post some stats from the bob killboard if you wouldn't mind? hell, link me to it and I'll do it. ________
I'm strict Caldari
"The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think?
-ErrorS |
McBane
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Posted - 2005.04.02 12:09:00 -
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Umm, Raven are actually pretty weak ships - difficult to tank compared to others. There are so many because of there missile capability and level 4 missions - whereby it is much easier to complete them using missiles than guns - which have problems with sustained damage and range whereas missiles (or torps i should say) do not.
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2005.04.02 12:23:00 -
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The reason you don't see that many Tempests or Typhoons is they actually require a lot of skill to use properly. The Apoc and Raven, once skills are trained, really require little skill than point and shoot.
A Pest or Phoon in a skilled pilots hands are a terrible thing to deal with. Constantly moving on a transverse, all the while pounding away with 1400mm's and doing a fair job of tanking the damage. They are equally effective as long range snipers or in-your-face buzzsaws. That's the beauty of them, complete flexability to suit the pilots style of fighting, whereas most Ravens, Apocs and Geddons are predictable in how they are rigged up.
They are great ships, they just require dedication to discover the strengths and patience to overcome the weaknesses.
Sarkos
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2005.04.02 13:03:00 -
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Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 02/04/2005 13:03:25 a raven has a horrible bad DoT when the group has more then 3 Turret battleships, or the bs are horrible bad fitted.
i fit 250mm rails on my raven tog et on the killmails :/
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.04.02 14:45:00 -
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Wow another carebear 'nerf the raven' post. It was a long time, really...
The Raven is the worst of all tier 2 BSs, excepted at very close range where some say it rocks and others say a Megathron is still the best.
When is the missile overhaul patch due ? Because the broken missile mechanics are really getting on everybody's nerves
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QwaarJet
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Posted - 2005.04.02 14:51:00 -
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I still see more Megas in my area, but Raven's are also popular.Although most of my corp mates don't really like the Raven.
I have a Scorp and will be getting a Raven ASAP.It's definately the best Battleship in the game. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
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