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Ezri	Posted - 2005.04.03 09:24:00 - [1] Moved from EVE General Discussions to Out of Pod Experience - Jacques Archambault I'm looking to update my pc to something more juicy. I'm on about a ú450 budget, and would prefer to pay monthy for it or something similar so I can actually afford it. Any suggestions on where to look?? I checked out Dell.co.uk and they had some decent deals - Dimension8400 for ú479. I looked on Ebay, but not sure what is good value. I obviously live in the UK so any UK retail sites would be useful! Ez.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.04.03 09:28:00 - [2] Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 03/04/2005 09:30:04 Avoid Dell like the plague. They're awful - their mobo's are setup in such a way that you can't really upgrade them. I bought my mother a Dell Dimension PC but just for internet/learning packages and it's fine. Sucks for gaming though. For ú450 you could easily build yourself a decent core system if you keep your old keyboards/monitor/peripherals but it all depends on how good you want it to be. AMD-based motherboards are traditionally cheaper and, I believe, AMD chips are best for gaming. Try www.scan.co.uk www.ebuyer.com www.aria.co.uk www.kelkoo.co.uk Just price things up and look around. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Ezri	Posted - 2005.04.03 09:31:00 - [3] Originally by: Joshua Calvert For ú450 you could easily build yourself a decent core system if you keep your old keyboards/monitor/peripherals but it all depends on how good you want it to be. Not quite, I could probably install a gfx card and RAM easy enough but thats where my hardware installation knowledge ends - and I'm not sure I want to pay an extra ú40+ on getting some guy to do it all for me. Surely it would be cheaper just to buy a ready made PC? Ez.
Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.04.03 09:32:00 - [4] for that money you could buy yourself a very decent new PC as long as your only buying the parts that need upgrading: mobo, cpu, memory and graphics card. And depending on your current system also a new power supply and sound card.
Ezri	Posted - 2005.04.03 09:36:00 - [5] Nope I need an entire new system as I am actually using a friends until I can get my own. Any idea where to look?? Ez.
Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.04.03 09:45:00 - [6] Edited by: Tobiaz on 03/04/2005 09:45:21 Originally by: Ezri Not quite, I could probably install a gfx card and RAM easy enough but thats where my hardware installation knowledge ends - and I'm not sure I want to pay an extra ú40+ on getting some guy to do it all for me. Surely it would be cheaper just to buy a ready made PC? Don't go for a Dell or HP. They flash you with numbers while putting total crap in their prodcts. Instead if your knowledge is limited, I advice you to go to a computer store (a real one) with a list of what's in your computer and ask them what they can make of it within your budget. Paying then 40 pound for the assembly is really worth it compared to buying a full new HP, Compaq or Dell or whatever.
ExChange	Posted - 2005.04.03 09:46:00 - [7] i prose a publik burning of the dell¦s and everyone that has ever worked for them... im getting alienware next time... whats the scoop on ailenware by the way ?
Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.04.03 10:11:00 - [8] Edited by: Tobiaz on 03/04/2005 10:34:38 Ok I had a look for you, too bad it's all Euro's and rounded up a bit AMD Athlon 64 2800+ (150 Euro) Ati Radeon 9800 XT 128MB (130 Euro) Gigabyte GA-K8NS (65 Euro) 512MB PC3200 DDR (45 Euro) Maxtor 120 GB, 7200 RPM ATA133 HDD (70 Euro) NEC ND 3500 16x dual-layer (50 Euro) AOpen ase or anything which comes with a 300W PSU (45 Euro) 555 Euro + 40 Euro assembly (I'd squeeze them for some extras if they were asking that) I have no idea what the pound/euro exchange is but I guess it's close enough. This is without monitor, mouse, keyboard...USB stick, but I guess you at least have those things already. A TFT monitor is about 230 Euros, a good 17" CRT is about the half, a good 19" is about 230 as well. Go for Samsung, Ilyama or Philips. For all monitors: SEE THEM WORKING!!! A mouse and keyboard are 50 euro toghether or something.
Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.04.03 10:15:00 - [9] Originally by: ExChange i prose a publik burning of the dell¦s and everyone that has ever worked for them... im getting alienware next time... whats the scoop on ailenware by the way ? Alienware is nice, they don't put crap in your computer like ie. Dell. But again, Alienware is very expensive. The cheapest is just order everthing from a good online store and get them to assemble the case for you. Many are willing to do that. There are many sites that 'grade' online computer stores. Too bad I don't know any for England (?).
Frank Horrigan	Posted - 2005.04.03 10:17:00 - [10] Originally by: Ezri Originally by: Joshua Calvert For ú450 you could easily build yourself a decent core system if you keep your old keyboards/monitor/peripherals but it all depends on how good you want it to be. Not quite, I could probably install a gfx card and RAM easy enough but thats where my hardware installation knowledge ends - and I'm not sure I want to pay an extra ú40+ on getting some guy to do it all for me. Surely it would be cheaper just to buy a ready made PC? Oh its great fun. Only problems i had was where the tiny little connectors went on the mobo.. but i figured it out when i opened the manual... Peek of my pc its bacicaly plug what fits together, together, and if something doesnt fit into something, dont plug it in. lol Originally by: Oveur Originally by: Bhaal What has turned out better than expected? Everything. Remember, we're from Iceland. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This i
Frank Horrigan	Posted - 2005.04.03 10:19:00 - [11] Originally by: Tobiaz Maxtor 120 GB, 7200 RPM ATA133 HDD (70 Euro) Just my opinion, but I heard maxtor is horrible.. I suggust going over to pricegrabber.com and looking for a seagate or western digital. Originally by: Oveur Originally by: Bhaal What has turned out better than expected? Everything. Remember, we're from Iceland. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This i
Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.04.03 10:21:00 - [12] Edited by: Tobiaz on 03/04/2005 10:21:11 Originally by: Frank Horrigan Oh its great fun. Only problems i had was where the tiny little connectors went on the mobo.. but i figured it out when i opened the manual... Peek of my pc its bacicaly plug what fits together, together, and if something doesnt fit into something, dont plug it in. lol Nice case Anyway, I wouldn't entrust someone who doesn't know what he's doing with installing a CPU on a mobo.
Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.04.03 10:24:00 - [13] Originally by: Frank Horrigan Originally by: Tobiaz Maxtor 120 GB, 7200 RPM ATA133 HDD (70 Euro) Just my opinion, but I heard maxtor is horrible.. I suggust going over to pricegrabber.com and looking for a seagate or western digital. Maxtor, Seagate, WD, it's all pretty much the same. I've used them all, in many computers and never had problems except one seagate long long ago.
Katya Detia	Posted - 2005.04.03 10:26:00 - [14] Dont ever ever buy from Tiny or Time (same company). --------------------------- CEO: Black Sea Industries
Thalanor	Posted - 2005.04.03 10:27:00 - [15] Here is another great UK site. they usually have good deals on more or less everything, and the delivery is on time more often than not. ----------------------------------------------
Piscis	Posted - 2005.04.03 10:28:00 - [16] Edited by: Piscis on 03/04/2005 10:32:19 Originally by: ExChange i prose a publik burning of the dell¦s and everyone that has ever worked for them... im getting alienware next time... whats the scoop on ailenware by the way ? Alienware SUCKS - the machine that they sell for ú3000 can be built for ~ ú1500... They used to be good, but then they got bloated and now you're just paying for the label... Originally by: Tobiaz Edited by: Tobiaz on 03/04/2005 10:21:11 Originally by: Frank Horrigan Oh its great fun. Only problems i had was where the tiny little connectors went on the mobo.. but i figured it out when i opened the manual... Peek of my pc its bacicaly plug what fits together, together, and if something doesnt fit into something, dont plug it in. lol Nice case Anyway, I wouldn't entrust someone who doesn't know what he's doing with installing a CPU on a mobo. believe it or not, installing a cpu is really fool proof... 1) Turn computer off at mains, leaving main power lead plugged in (for earth) 2) Touch the case to ground yourself and remove static 3) Drop Chip into the ZIF socket and push the little leaver down 4) Apply a grain of rice sized amount of thermal paste 5) spready thermal paste over DIE (the raised part of the cpu) 6) Apply heat sink 7) remove heat sink and remove excess from heat sink using a lint free cloth 8) reapply heat sink and click the clip on.
Piscis	Posted - 2005.04.03 10:32:00 - [17] Edited by: Piscis on 03/04/2005 10:32:50 Double post :(
Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.04.03 10:39:00 - [18] Originally by: Piscis believe it or not, installing a cpu is really fool proof... 1) Turn computer off at mains, leaving main power lead plugged in (for earth) 2) Touch the case to ground yourself and remove static 3) Drop Chip into the ZIF socket and push the little leaver down 4) Apply a grain of rice sized amount of thermal paste 5) spready thermal paste over DIE (the raised part of the cpu) 6) Apply heat sink 7) remove heat sink and remove excess from heat sink using a lint free cloth 8) reapply heat sink and click the clip on. You make it sound so easy AMD has a pain in the *** socket for applying some coolers. And a lot of coolers don't really try to make it any easier. Also sometimes you have large capacitors too close to the socket making it only harder. I can understand if you haven't done this yourself more often, like Ezri already stated, it's wiser to pay someone 40 pound to not only make sure everything stays alive, but you can be certain they'll make sure the airflow is allright, all cables are neatly bundled, the additional molex of the graphics card isn't forgotten. Stuff like that.
Ezri	Posted - 2005.04.03 10:50:00 - [19] Well as I said before, I'm currently using a friends PC, so wont be able to keeep the monitor or any peripherals. I guess I'll see about buying all the components myself. I assume the Motherboard manual would show you how everything is connected; HDD's and CPU's etc?? Ez.
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.04.03 10:52:00 - [20] Hmm, a few guidelines, other than what has been posted: * If you buy a P4, keep in mind that if it has a PRESCOTT core, not all motherboards will like that. For instance, my own ABit IC-MAX3 burned cause I wasn't aware of that. Most often, it's just a case of FLASHING the motherboard. Flashing a motherboard without a processor is impossible, though, so I suggest a cheap Celeron or to borrow a Celeron from a friend. * Buying from an electronics supermarket or from Dell or similar guarantee that ALL components are properly fitted and function with each other. It is also a guarantee that you'll get exactly what is cheapest to them to put in, which means of lowest quality. If it say Radeon 9600 - you'll be getting Radeon 9600 SE (which is the budget variant and similar to a 9200 in power) and NOT a Radeon 9600 Pro (Pro is basically Radeon standard. Buy it if you buy a Radeon.). * Having had fat lunch right before installing is bad. So is having a cold. Make sure hands are properly clean, and that other fluids won't drip on the mobo ;) * Never use force to install anything. * If a plug fits, but not the entire plug, look for an adapter in the box (AOpen silent power supply, for instance, has an ATX2 standard and needs an adapter to fit on motherboards with ATX1 standards for power supply) * While installing is easy, if you screw up you'll probably loose a component or two. Best thing is to ask someone knowledgable to do it for you. Safest is to pay an electronics shop to assemble it, best for you is to ask your local computer nerd to show you. So, as someone said. Go to a local computer hardware store and ask them to advice you within the confines of your budget. That is ultimatly the best, and you'll be surprised that the price is very similar to Dell even after you pay them to install everything. Don't buy ready built packages from mayor resellers. -- If TC causes you discomfort that you feel is unwarranted or may be outside TC's current contract - contact me, please.
Ezri	Posted - 2005.04.03 10:58:00 - [21] Well I think I'm right when I say AMD is cheaper? So what board would you guys suggest? Remember I'm on a tight budget so I can always get something that'll do me till I can afford to upgrade it. -since I'll prob get an AGP gfx card that should keep mobo price down a little. Just don't know what one to go for... Ez.
Masi	Posted - 2005.04.03 11:06:00 - [22] Crappy pic of mine ;P -------------------------
Ezri	Posted - 2005.04.03 11:36:00 - [23] Ok, another question - what kind of hard drive should I go for?? I've seen ATA, SCSI, IDE - what kind do I go for???? I have no idea what they mean. I'm guessing ATA? I'm sure I had that in my old computer a few years ago, but not certain about it. I saw this on microdirect.co.uk: 80 GB IBM/Hitachi Deskstar SATA 8MB cache 7200rpm 8.5ms HDD Manufacturers Code: 13G0252 Availability: Now ú 31.25 Seems a decent price. Ez.
Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.04.03 11:41:00 - [24] Originally by: Ezri Ok, another question - what kind of hard drive should I go for?? I've seen ATA, SCSI, IDE - what kind do I go for???? I have no idea what they mean. I'm guessing ATA? I'm sure I had that in my old computer a few years ago, but not certain about it. I saw this on microdirect.co.uk: 80 GB IBM/Hitachi Deskstar SATA 8MB cache 7200rpm 8.5ms HDD Manufacturers Code: 13G0252 Availability: Now ú 31.25 Seems a decent price. SATA stands for Serial ATA and is (supposed to be) better then ATA133, which is the best ATA. While it is the future, it's questionable if it's worth the money since the amount of extra speed it delivers is usually not that much yet. SCSI is tha ****zle, but screamingly expensive. Only worth it for file servers and such. and for IBM/Hitachi, they are very good (well the IBM drives used to be anyway) but I don't know if they hold up with price/value when compared with cheaper western digital or maxtor HDDs. Dont forget this one is only 80GB
Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.04.03 11:46:00 - [25] Originally by: Ezri Well as I said before, I'm currently using a friends PC, so wont be able to keeep the monitor or any peripherals. I guess I'll see about buying all the components myself. I assume the Motherboard manual would show you how everything is connected; HDD's and CPU's etc?? Yes it does. But I really advice you to see if you can get the shop to pre-assemble the MOBO, CPU and a good and silent cooler. If they won't, just take it all to the local computer store and ask them to do it. Probably won't even cost you 7 pound or something.
Dragon Ramirez	Posted - 2005.04.03 11:49:00 - [26] If you want to buy a cheap pc - these guys are cheap: Linky They basically sell refurbished ex-corporate pc's and laptop's from a range of makers... And if the specs aren’t great the prices look cheap enough that you could upgrade a few bits from your ú450 if your lucky (eg buy a semi decent GFX card!) ----------------------------------------------- No trees were harmed in the making of this message, but some electrons were inconvenienced.
Ezri	Posted - 2005.04.03 11:53:00 - [27] Originally by: Tobiaz Originally by: Ezri Ok, another question - what kind of hard drive should I go for?? I've seen ATA, SCSI, IDE - what kind do I go for???? I have no idea what they mean. I'm guessing ATA? I'm sure I had that in my old computer a few years ago, but not certain about it. I saw this on microdirect.co.uk: 80 GB IBM/Hitachi Deskstar SATA 8MB cache 7200rpm 8.5ms HDD Manufacturers Code: 13G0252 Availability: Now ú 31.25 Seems a decent price. SATA stands for Serial ATA and is (supposed to be) better then ATA133, which is the best ATA. While it is the future, it's questionable if it's worth the money since the amount of extra speed it delivers is usually not that much yet. SCSI is tha ****zle, but screamingly expensive. Only worth it for file servers and such. and for IBM/Hitachi, they are very good (well the IBM drives used to be anyway) but I don't know if they hold up with price/value when compared with cheaper western digital or maxtor HDDs. Dont forget this one is only 80GB So a 'Serial ATA' will work in any motherboard I get?? e.g. an AMD 754...? Ez.
Velsharoon	Posted - 2005.04.03 16:52:00 - [28] i love my alienware laptop, no problems with it. expensive enough tho is there any online people that build the thing for ya im lookin to buy one online
LoHill	Posted - 2005.04.04 02:29:00 - [29] I have a brother that has 6 (yes 6!) Pc's. He builds 'em, he loves to tweak on 'em. He has one right now that is really tough...but so what? He spends SO much money on something that basically just plays games. The PC industry is counting on PC geeks to by their next "big fast thing". And they do. I get so tired of people bragging about what they have, blah blah...who cares? I can go out and spend 300 bux on dinner..and get just as full at a 40 buck place. In other words, do a little homework...if you REALLY MUST have some kind of UBER GAMING PWNING (sorry I don't speak that silly stuff) gaming pc then go for it. Just be prepared in another year for every other PC builder to tell ya that "yer system sucks..you don't have blah blah.." But, I guess in a way the PC geeks are driving technology...making stuff cheaper, all that. SO yeh, thank you PC geeks...for making a watch that mighta' cost 400 bux back in da day go for about 10. Me, I buy something I get all the bang out of it I can. I have two PC's right now, one badass one (sorta') and one for "poking round on the internet"....and there, in another room is my VERY first PC ever...still runs, still does stuff.
Bosie	Posted - 2005.04.04 03:47:00 - [30] Meh I was a n00b to PC building when I built mine. I had only ever replaced video cards. I bought all my parts from www.Ebuyer.co.uk. Once they arrived I opened all the boxes and slowly set to work. As one poster has already stated you can only plug things in one way. The only thing is the case wires, they can go in either way, I stuck them the wrong way first time. All that happend was my PC failed to even swicth on! Once I flipped the wires 180 it worked fine. Now I have built several PCs for friends and family, it's very easy! Bosie. http://bosie.proboards40.com/ http://zeroimpact.co.uk/evemap

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