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Kenzie Lou
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:18:00 -
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Edited by: Kenzie Lou on 05/04/2005 10:22:56 Just a thought.
Why do we allow podding in this game? what significant advantage does it give to pod someone?
Personnally i think podding should be taken away from the game, this would get alot more people involved in pvp, cos alot of the time people are scared by the 'podding' aspect, loosing implants, new clones etc.
We can still allow the self destruct sequence on a pod in case you are deep inside 0.0 without access to stations and ships, and we could take away the possibilities of adding bm's while in a pod to stop enemies making bms deep inside alliance territory and so on.
What you ppl think?
Isn't taking someones ship enough? i know what you pirates are going to say, but really, think about it.
Best Regards
Kenzie
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mystryl
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:25:00 -
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Dont take podding away would love to see an insurance for implants at the point where we are now in the game
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Kenzie Lou
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:27:00 -
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why not take podding away? give me some reasons? ideas etc.
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qrac
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:27:00 -
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only if they take away insurance. -------------------------------------------
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Trey Azagthoth
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:27:00 -
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Its called taking a risk. My motto: If you are gonna do something, go all the way, if not, stay the **** home.
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qrac
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kenzie Lou why not take podding away? give me some reasons? ideas etc.
because having a penalty for dieing is good.. otherwise we would have counter-strike in space and nobody would care if they lost a ship or ten :P -------------------------------------------
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Kenzie Lou
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: qrac
Originally by: Kenzie Lou why not take podding away? give me some reasons? ideas etc.
because having a penalty for dieing is good.. otherwise we would have counter-strike in space and nobody would care if they lost a ship or ten :P
People don't care about loosing ships now! its the implants they care about, and besides it will bring more people to fight in wars, low sec combat = good no?
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kenzie Lou
Originally by: qrac
Originally by: Kenzie Lou why not take podding away? give me some reasons? ideas etc.
because having a penalty for dieing is good.. otherwise we would have counter-strike in space and nobody would care if they lost a ship or ten :P
People don't care about loosing ships now! its the implants they care about, and besides it will bring more people to fight in wars, low sec combat = good no?
No.
If you can't afford to lose it, don't use it. -
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:35:00 -
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Podding is the one and only way to really hurt an enemy. If hes got implants, bang, theres goes a few hundred mill straight away. Even without it, hes gotta buy a new clone.
The main reason why i pod people though is to get them away from the current area of combat. Most people set their clones away from common areas of combat. Podding them basically removes their ability to jump into a new ship and be back in the fight in moments
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Iznogud
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:37:00 -
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Podding and being podded gives hard on ... try it one day
http://www.shinra.com/ Shinra Republic Artillery-round deliver Izno~
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Iznogud
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:37:00 -
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Edited by: Iznogud on 05/04/2005 10:37:13 Podding and being podded gives hard on ... try it one day
so do doubbel post
http://www.shinra.com/ Shinra Republic Artillery-round deliver Izno~
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:39:00 -
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Ok
I'm going to dispense with the usual out of hand dismissal post and be objective about the thing.
My assertions to you: Podding is in game because it allows you to cause damage.
For CCP, the reason behind combat is not killing for the kill, it's not griefing newbs out of play and it's not war declaring someone for easy targets.
Eve pvp was meant as a tool in a universe filled with competing player entities. If I'd want you as a producer to be gone from my area I'd war declare you and make it known what I want you to do. Then I'd use the war to inflict so much damage on you that your only remaining option is to do as I say or face losses that are economically not worth your continuation of production in my area.
THAT, is what pvp is for. Competition, territorial wars, feuds, roleplay, pirating. But all with a reason.
Now, if your aim is to do any of those but pirate, the only way to make combat a succesfull tool to exert pressure on your target. That in turn means you need to cause direct damage in terms of isk lost and indirect in terms of revenues or time lost. Do enough and you'll win eventually.
When pirating you need something to ransom. So again the risk of some real loss is required to have something to ransom. Ransoming an empty iteron V wont get you much, ransoming one flown by a pilot with full +3 implants however will.
What it all adds up to is that insurance makes losing a ship relatively light in terms of actual loss. The possibility of having implants (alot of pvp'ers simply dont have any or just the ones they need at that time) compounds on the damage you are able to do to the target.
This is why: 1. podding will never be removed 2. implant insurance will never be added
Now, remember that I too would like to have a full set of +4's in my head and train faster. I could buy em too with a bit of effort at it. And I too simply do not because that would mean a risk prohibitive in combat. I simply value the worth of combat as a tool higher then having my attributes 3 points higher. (I think +4's should be removed anyway, they are too good)
So don't coma back at me telling me I want to grief mroe people for more, I don't. I want to be able to cause you and your corporation damage, and that is the key goal in the pvp that CCP designed for Eve.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kenzie Lou why not take podding away? give me some reasons? ideas etc.
-Podding should stay because it is the ultimate consequence to losing your ship in battle. -People like the squish sound -People collect corpses -There is such a nice background story and pods explain why you can handle a battleship all alone -They are a gift of the Jovians -You can ransome people in pods
People that are too afraid to lose their capsules in 0.0 won't come to 0.0 when they remove the podding, then they'll be too afraid to lose a drone, an expensive ship or whatever.
This is not a hijack
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Dragul Imorta
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: Dragul Imorta on 05/04/2005 10:43:42 Edited by: Dragul Imorta on 05/04/2005 10:42:32 If you can't pod a player what is there to stop one player, in a pod, from entering your alliance's space, search for all your safe spots, finds all the mining operations and POS'es that have been deployed.
It would kill the need for covert ops, it would kill the ability for an alliances to protect its space, effectively anyway, and it will kill the way bounties work right now. It also takes away from the joy of hunting, if you are into it anyway.
Besides, it's kind of like a mini game trying to shoot them after the destruction of their ship.
They'd be the immortal scouts of pure cheese creamed *****ers, no one can stummach those.
Just my thoughts about it.
Dragul Imorta
edit: why the hell is *****er sencured?
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thebold
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:43:00 -
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Edited by: thebold on 05/04/2005 10:43:34
Originally by: Lianhaun
-People like the squish sound
You play with sound...
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We do the Blowing up thingy |
Lianhaun
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: thebold Edited by: thebold on 05/04/2005 10:43:34
Originally by: Lianhaun
-People like the squish sound
You play with sound...
-.-
People in general does not necessarily include moi, but I know there are people who love the sound.
Persoally I find the eve soundtrack too dull and prefer my own mp3 list.
This is not a hijack
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anter
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kenzie Lou why not take podding away? give me some reasons? ideas etc.
Because it allow to remove player from area instead let him jump to station and jump in backup ship.
Personally I feel that even high end NPCs should start pod.
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Finix Jaeger
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:48:00 -
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Its the rush you get when you see your ships hull failing and you remember the implants and all the work you had to do to get them. You begin messing with the "warp to" menus, starting to panic and fail to click on the right alternative, sweat running down your forehead as you start over again only to escape in the last second.
Why remove that?
Its one of the most exciting things that can happen in this game, getting your arse kicked and barely make it out, even if you dont make it out it is still exciting.
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thebold
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:49:00 -
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Edited by: thebold on 05/04/2005 10:49:18
Originally by: Lianhaun
Originally by: thebold Edited by: thebold on 05/04/2005 10:43:34
Originally by: Lianhaun
-People like the squish sound
You play with sound...
-.-
People in general does not necessarily include moi, but I know there are people who love the sound.
Persoally I find the eve soundtrack too dull and prefer my own mp3 list.
sharkey for liau love!:D ==============================================
We do the Blowing up thingy |
Lianhaun
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:53:00 -
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sharkey kicked ass and i always rooted for him and not for eek
sharkey ftw
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.04.05 11:02:00 -
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Podding the reason
During wars between corps alliances and players it is to weaken youre enemy as much as possible with podding - as we know there is a % chance that they can also lose more skills than their clone protects a) remove them from the area of the match to were their clone is b) they stand the risk of losing substantial skills c) clones are another ISK sink and a natural consequence of podding d) implants are expensive and losing them is another hit on the player e) removes them esp in 0.0 combat - territorial thing f) its an element of combat
My opinion some might not like it or have clones to protect SP but its a good aspect of the game
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Kenzie Lou
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Posted - 2005.04.05 11:08:00 -
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Has to be said some good points there....
I for one know what its like to warp in and blast/kill an enemy ship, then getting smacked down by his mates when they warp in and believe me i was hammering that mouse button on the 'warp to' on the overview to get the hell outta there.
It was fun, but needless to say i would be gutted if i had lost the implants. 'Yes i know Viceroy "if you can't afford to lose them, don't use them', well just because i can't afford to lose them, i should quit my pvp interest? then i might as well quit the game, as i'm not having as much fun.
Well if my proposal was to come into eve, then most/all your conflicts will be against ppl expecting combat giving you maybe a run for your money (and not scared ****less hindering their performance). Unless you like to take out the haulers/miners/agent runners......up to you i guess.
Anyways, keep the arguments coming.
Regards
Kenzie
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2005.04.05 11:09:00 -
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Simple, you need to get yourself podded. And then, don't replace the implants.
Then try pvp again, you'll notice the difference.
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Kenzie Lou
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Posted - 2005.04.05 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Aurelius Simple, you need to get yourself podded. And then, don't replace the implants.
Then try pvp again, you'll notice the difference.
I know and i have thought about losing them on purpose just for that reason alone
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Blooded Heromy
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Posted - 2005.04.05 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Blooded Heromy on 05/04/2005 11:29:00
Originally by: Lianhaun
Originally by: thebold Edited by: thebold on 05/04/2005 10:43:34
Originally by: Lianhaun
-People like the squish sound
You play with sound...
-.-
People in general does not necessarily include moi, but I know there are people who love the sound.
Persoally I find the eve soundtrack too dull and prefer my own mp3 list.
I like the sound when the pod popps, i wett myself when i blow up the ship and then i get off when i get the naked body out of that shiny egg :)
Beside that i like to collect those corps, if you wana buy them in stock of 1k i give good price.
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.04.05 11:35:00 -
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How much you pay ive got 3 already in stock.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.04.05 11:44:00 -
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I never really worry about implants.
If I lose them, then so what? I have already gained from having them, and will continue to do so until my current skill finishes.
If I feel I need more, I'll get what I can afford at the time.
If anything, losing implants is better than losing rare mods. ______________________________________________
Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience. |
Cornelius Murphy
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Posted - 2005.04.05 12:00:00 -
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I have never bought an implant, but have uesed them if given to me via agents for example. So, if I do lose them, no big deal. As for the modules, yup, it hurts me more if I lose my lovely tech II stuff
Podding is a pain in the ass, but the argument to remove it is weak really, and this is from my non PvP point of view. There is plenty of secure space for anyone not wanting to risk getting podded!
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.04.05 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 05/04/2005 12:02:12 I pvp quite a lot and I have, like, 10 implants in my handsome head. It's no big deal losing them.
It's pretty difficult to get podded these days, even with the removal of double-click warp-to.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Lazydog
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Posted - 2005.04.05 12:07:00 -
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I feel if you have implants and not willing to lose them , then pvp aint fot you.
However implants are just a form of "buying time" and if your really serious about playing eve and here for the long haul, then just chill out, yours skills will get there in the end! try learning the learning skills up.
Remember learn to walk before you run, it takes a lot of time to be skilled in what you want to do, the best things comes to those who wait.
If you feel bitter you've lost your implants, bide your time ,what goes around comes around!
ive been podded enough times but i know whoever podded me , has no doubt been too, maybe 1 day i will here the squish sound!! lol I aint flippin bothered --------------------------
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