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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.04.07 14:39:00 -
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I can see one problem with them making Eve 2 as a whole new game....namely how long it will take to get it done.
Writing a whole new game from scratch would take a long time. During which all the staff working on Eve 2 cannot be working on Eve. So either CCP have to find a whole lot extra staff to start on Eve 2, or Eve will be left in an extended period of stagnation and decline as they make Eve 2.
So I'd be surprised if they started work on Eve 2 before the decline of Eve had already started for other reasons.
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Odet
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Posted - 2005.04.07 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Omniwar Edited by: Omniwar on 07/04/2005 10:53:55
Originally by: Thomas Torquemada What would be the point in an eve2 when eve has so much life in it, and always recieves regular game content updates anyways.
PLZ DUDE STOP !!! HAHAHAHH !!!! your killing me man !!!!
btw: are u serious ?
lollers omni best smileys ever
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Odet
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Posted - 2005.04.07 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Odet on 07/04/2005 16:33:07
Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: hired goon
Originally by: Wrangler they'll start considering making EVE 2.
ONFG ITS OFFICAIL11111111111111111111
EVE 2 WOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
Since I seem to be announcing things without knowing about it, I can also announce that we will reset all hired goon's characters to the way they were when he created them.
wrangler plz... it wouldnt make a difference he'd still stink at pvp he wont even notice the change
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Stevo
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Posted - 2005.04.07 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Steven Dynahir EVE with joystick
What a horrible looking game - YUK!!!
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H0ot
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Posted - 2005.04.07 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: H0ot on 07/04/2005 16:53:10 I never fully understood the point of having sequals to MMO's in the first place. You pay cash for content updates, and this includes graphical/UI overhauls and such. So really there is no need to ever make a sequal.
Indeed some companies like Mythic's Dark Age of Camelot have stated they will never make a sequal because of this. I believe the exact words from the Sr. Dev were 'Over my dead body'
Also, every sequal to a MMO to date (That I know of) was nothing but a weak clone of the original - Asheron's Call 2, Everquest 2.. they all failed.
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2005.04.07 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: GoGo Yubari on 07/04/2005 17:03:43 Well, I'm already hoping for Eve2 even if I know it's years in the future, but that's because I've no intention of continuing my subscription past the 24th of this month.
Eve is a good game, no doubt, but suffers from sever infrastructure flaws. I've also seen very little work done to address those flaws and have to understand that they're here to stay. So, it isn't the game I wanted it to be and it isn't even the game I signed up for (nor what it was in the early days).
1) Eve combat is based on bottlenecks. While all combat is more or less about concentrating overwhelming force where the opponent cannot take it, it goes to extremes which I find tactically/strategically limiting. See jump gate fighting and gate/station camping for evidence. The areas for battles could be more .. fluid. It's space, hey.
2) manueverability is a bit iffy in the game. Really ruins strategic options. Now the equation is simply: is your transversal fast enough so that he won't hit?
3) instas. 'nuff said.
4) logging off. 'nuff said.
5) no non-grind professions available. Frex. piracy is severely handicapped and in all the wrong places.
6) insta-gank CONCORD and sentry guns. Blah.
That's some of the issues why I'm quitting. Of course, Eve has its good things too, which have kept me here up until now ...
(no you can't have my stuff - isk needs to disappear from the system to combat possible inflation, not just circulate)
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Macel
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Posted - 2005.04.07 17:06:00 -
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You can make lots of little balance changes and add content to Eve 1. The justification for Eve 2 would be if you want something totally different for gameplay. Best example I can think of being adding more realistic physics to the game. As devs have mentioned, the core of Eve 1 is a big database game. It's all about updating records in a database, and the client just makes that look pretty. It doesn't work very well if you want to implement real physics and "realism" to the weapons and combat. That's what Eve 2 would hopefully focus on. I'd love to see an Eve style mmorpg using physics similar to those used in independance war... Doesnt necessarily mean it has to be a twitch game (but it would be cool if you could, say, assume manual control instead of relying on the computer to dodge bullets for you!). Not sure how well this can be done with today's processing and bandwidth limitations in an mmorpg, and that may be part of the reason why they are holding off on creating an Eve 2 :)
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Syrec
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Posted - 2005.04.07 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro 2: EVE combat is nothing if not fast paced. You may not be in direct control of your ship, but trust me, in PvP combat fastest finger first often makes a big difference, and never lasts over a minute (unless both pilots suck).
yarr, and more like 5 seconds when a gankadeddon lands a billion laser bolts into me
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.04.07 19:17:00 -
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So when do WE get the /pizza command? "You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!" |
Miner's Bane
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Posted - 2005.04.07 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Demorgora Because the combat is very, very boring.
Youre the guy in noob chat who was still using his ibis because it was "Good enough for you" while you tried to earn money for a cruiser.
The problem isnt the game mechanics or the combat system. The problem is that youre dumb. ------------------------------------------------------------------
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Demorgora
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Posted - 2005.04.07 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Miner's Bane
Originally by: Demorgora Because the combat is very, very boring.
Youre the guy in noob chat who was still using his ibis because it was "Good enough for you" while you tried to earn money for a cruiser.
The problem isnt the game mechanics or the combat system. The problem is that youre dumb.
I was using my ibis because there was no point in wasting money on a frigate when all I do are courier missions that usually never require more than the max capacity of my ibis. I'm about to make 200k off of a couple courier missions that follow the same route. In a day or two, I'll have enough money for a cruiser with just using my ibis.
Not at all, but you're proving yourself to be quite a fool.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.04.07 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler They have a few years left of ideas for EVE, at some point I'm sure they'll start considering making EVE 2. But afaik they haven't really thought about it much yet, since there's no need to.
My Guess is when about a year an a half after longhorn is released and 64 bit is common and DX 10 is out.
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Zandramus
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Posted - 2005.04.07 19:31:00 -
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Quote: Because the combat is very, very boring.
you are in a newb corp what do you know of combat.
join a corp at war and have some fun
Zandramus Zandramus Parking Violations Officer Geminate Division S.A.S
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.04.07 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Demorgora In a day or two, I'll have enough money for a cruiser with just using my ibis.
Not at all, but you're proving yourself to be quite a fool.
, all those incomplete warps to gates must have sucked hard and slow warp speeds. You could have made isky faster with a lvl 3 frigate, MWD (AB at least), and then gone to cruiser for kill missions lvl 2.
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Demorgora
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Posted - 2005.04.07 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dionysus Davinci
Originally by: Demorgora In a day or two, I'll have enough money for a cruiser with just using my ibis.
Not at all, but you're proving yourself to be quite a fool.
, all those incomplete warps to gates must have sucked hard and slow warp speeds. You could have made isky faster with a lvl 3 frigate, MWD (AB at least), and then gone to cruiser for kill missions lvl 2.
Well, I'm away most of the time so it doesn't really bother me with how slow it can be.
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Demorgora
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Posted - 2005.04.07 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Zandramus
Quote: Because the combat is very, very boring.
you are in a newb corp what do you know of combat.
join a corp at war and have some fun
Zandramus
Combat should be fun regardless of what you're doing. Even then, that still doesn't change the fact you really have no control over anything other then statistics which can be rather disheartening.
Other then the combat, Eve is a dream game. That is why I hope in Eve 2, they implement a much more interactive combat system.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.04.07 19:53:00 -
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Of course combat's boring, you're in an Ibis!
Get a L3 frig and you'll see how much faster combat is. You also get to have a lot of fun with all those extra slots deciding what to put in them.
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Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2005.04.07 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Stevo
Originally by: Steven Dynahir EVE with joystick
What a horrible looking game - YUK!!!
Well, the web page is..
But at 100fps and missiles whizzing by, breaking your formation apart... totally diffent looks.
Prolly too complex to average player tho. All those inertia thingys & million buttons & stuff =) SigPl/HQ&Log Coy/MNB(C)/KFOR |
Antic
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Posted - 2005.04.07 21:21:00 -
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Edited by: Antic on 07/04/2005 21:22:13
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Demorgora And why not?
Because that's not eve. Go play freelancer or something. I suck at FPS games, so I play eve. It makes me think, the combat is far more strategic than "get on tail, chase, bang trigger, BOOM, i r teh roxor".
Just, no.
Hah combat in eve is strategic?. You sure you have PvPd at all? The current combat system is so badly out of whack. You only need a turret ship lets say an armageddon with lasers fully stacked with damage mods. Then you have your own "i win" button to press. Combat lasts a couple of seconds. How fun is that? And how much diversity, tactics or strategy is it in the gank setup game of today where fights lasts a cuple of seconds and where gankers , and only gankers, have the possibility to win?
No theres one simple way to describe eves PVP combat system. "Gank or be ganked". Boring.
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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2005.04.07 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dionysus Davinci My Guess is when about a year an a half after longhorn is released and 64 bit is common and DX 10 is out.
Longhorn will NEVER see the inside of any PC I own or support until they get rid of all the TCPA "features". And even then, if I HAVE to run a 64-bit Windows OS, I'll probably opt for WinXP 64.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.04.07 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Antic You only need a turret ship lets say an armageddon with lasers fully stacked with damage mods. Then you have your own "i win" button to press. Combat lasts a couple of seconds. How fun is that? And how much diversity, tactics or strategy is it in the gank setup game of today where fights lasts a cuple of seconds and where gankers , and only gankers, have the possibility to win?
No theres one simple way to describe eves PVP combat system. "Gank or be ganked". Boring.
3 white noise, 1 warp scrambler and lots of torps pretty much say otherwise.
pwnd
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.04.07 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Antic Hah combat in eve is strategic?. You sure you have PvPd at all? The current combat system is so badly out of whack. You only need a turret ship lets say an armageddon with lasers fully stacked with damage mods. Then you have your own "i win" button to press. Combat lasts a couple of seconds. How fun is that? And how much diversity, tactics or strategy is it in the gank setup game of today where fights lasts a cuple of seconds and where gankers , and only gankers, have the possibility to win?
No theres one simple way to describe eves PVP combat system. "Gank or be ganked". Boring.
Yes atm eve is leaning towards the "gank", but that does not mean by any stretch that there is no strategy in planning an engagement. All you know, is that your opponent is also likely to be a "ganker" and that he will output just as much damage as you.
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Originally by: RollinDutchMasters I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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Herugrim
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Posted - 2005.04.08 00:18:00 -
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I don't think a full sequel is necessary, at least in the near future. But an optional graphics expansion pack with high tech textures and effects would rule. |
Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2005.04.08 00:45:00 -
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Acutally what would be cool is a reopening of the warp whole. Then the allowed expansion into Sector 001, Earth!!!
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Raven1x
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Posted - 2005.04.08 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ticondrius Longhorn will NEVER see the inside of any PC I own or support until they get rid of all the TCPA "features". And even then, if I HAVE to run a 64-bit Windows OS, I'll probably opt for WinXP 64.
Couldn't agree more. I put up with WinXP's privacy invasion, dodgy backup and awful firewall (massively improved by SP2 to be fair) and so on because I could turn those "features" off or, in extreme cases, remove them but Longhorn doesn't seem to even allow that. Add in the proposed "features" like simply not allowing you to install unsigned drivers, classifying all PC's into one of four "classes" (what about those of us who build our own?), removing your choice of where to install things (apparently, you will now have a"My Games" folder which games auto-install to) and I think I'm going to convert to the Cult Of Linus. Now, if I could just talk my boss into doing the same...
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SghnDubh
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Posted - 2005.04.08 04:23:00 -
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Quote: No theres one simple way to describe eves PVP combat system. "Gank or be ganked". Boring.
Because so many want to play EVE like it's a single player game. There are TONS of ways to beat a gank, if only people would learn to make friends, cooperate and communicate. If you want to fly lone wolf, adjust your strategy and.or stay away from gank-spots. If you really really really really really want to fly 0.0 alone, well, accept the danger and buy/fly the right ship.
Game balance is subjective and therefore there is no such thing. Adjust your strategy & tactics instead of petitioning for *yet another* nerf. My 02.
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Typherin laidai
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Posted - 2005.04.08 07:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Demorgora And why not?
Because that's not eve. Go play freelancer or something. I suck at FPS games, so I play eve. It makes me think, the combat is far more strategic than "get on tail, chase, bang trigger, BOOM, i r teh roxor".
Just, no.
ROFL
Strategic my buttcheek ! ! sorry lads but blobbing things and camping gates isnt strategic ... (hmm ok well I guesse it is :/ ... meh)
A good player in eve unlike most other games (prehaps not RPG's) Requires no skill at all
It simply requires a knowledge of the game mechanics and a good knowledge of skills and setups. 1 on 1 fights are decided when the ships undock
Still... awsome game though pld CCP
Typherin
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2005.04.09 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jaabaa Prime EVE 1 - genisis (release) EVE 2 - castor EVE 3 - exodus EVE 4 - kali
Why do you want to go back to castor ?
actualy eve 1 was Gemini
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Dabljuh
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Posted - 2005.04.11 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Typherin laidai
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Demorgora And why not?
Because that's not eve. Go play freelancer or something. I suck at FPS games, so I play eve. It makes me think, the combat is far more strategic than "get on tail, chase, bang trigger, BOOM, i r teh roxor".
Just, no.
ROFL
Strategic my buttcheek ! ! sorry lads but blobbing things and camping gates isnt strategic ... (hmm ok well I guesse it is :/ ... meh)
A good player in eve unlike most other games (prehaps not RPG's) Requires no skill at all
It simply requires a knowledge of the game mechanics and a good knowledge of skills and setups. 1 on 1 fights are decided when the ships undock
Still... awsome game though pld CCP
Typherin
You got it right, there. Its fun taking someone out with a loadout he didn't expect... wait... *not* expecting ECM? *not* expecting omgwtfbbq damage mods? webs? ultratank? ram-scrambling? 10v1 gankage? NUBLAR!
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