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James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.07 16:43:00 -
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Gallente have been traditionally THE drone race, with the best drones and the best drone ships, and every other race has generally been relegated to using drones as minor support, with the exception of the Arbitrator/Curse/Pilgrim. Now that CCP's clear design intent is going to be bringing Amarr two more drone ships competitive with Gallente (the new Dragoon is a drone ship, and the Prophecy is also possibly becoming one with a larger drone bay than the Myrmidon with less bandwidth), it appears that Amarr is now the race for lasers and drones, not so much lasers and unguided missiles with the exception of some T2 ships.
With this in mind, perhaps it's high time for CCP to really start evaluating the drones themselves. Is CCP really happy with drone balance, or is the underutilization of Amarr and Caldari drones something that CCP should be looking into? http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Melina Lin
Universal Frog
47
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Posted - 2012.11.07 16:53:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:...with the exception of the Arbitrator/Curse/Pilgrim.. Sentinel/Legion are missing on your little list.
James Amril-Kesh wrote:With this in mind, perhaps it's high time for CCP to really start evaluating the drones themselves. Is CCP really happy with drone balance, or is the underutilization of Amarr and Caldari drones something that CCP should be looking into?
They should start with the interface. Micro-managing drones is quite aggravating.
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
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Posted - 2012.11.07 16:54:00 -
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Devblog wrote: Dominix: still remains a popular ship. It is fairly good, except for the drone mechanics themselves, which are terribly outdated. While we are not certain when this can be tackled, it definitely has high priority on our to-do list.
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Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
200
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Posted - 2012.11.07 16:57:00 -
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Easy
Caracal has Kinetic Damage Moa - Gets Kinetic Drone Damage
Amarr gets RoF Arbitrator gets drone RoF
Gallente has kin/ther closerange dps Gallente drones get ther closerange dps
Minmatar has fast RoF Minmatar drones have faster Rof.
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Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
374
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Posted - 2012.11.07 16:58:00 -
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I think the Prophecy will still be inferior to the Myrmidon because it can't field as many drones. It's seems like CCP are taking a ship no-one uses because it sucks and turning it into a ship no-one will use because it still sucks. We shall have to wait and see though. |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1169
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Posted - 2012.11.07 17:17:00 -
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Melina Lin wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:...with the exception of the Arbitrator/Curse/Pilgrim.. Sentinel/Legion are missing on your little list. On the Legion you're correct, however the Sentinel doesn't have launcher hardpoints. The Magnate will, but it's an exploration frigate.
Melina Lin wrote:
They should start with the interface. Micro-managing drones is quite aggravating.
I believe that's what they meant by the below quote.
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Devblog wrote: Dominix: still remains a popular ship. It is fairly good, except for the drone mechanics themselves, which are terribly outdated. While we are not certain when this can be tackled, it definitely has high priority on our to-do list. It depends on how you define "drone mechanics". I interpreted it to mean their behavior and interface, not their individual attributes, which fall under the category of balance. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
822
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Posted - 2012.11.07 17:30:00 -
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It makes sense that amarr put $$$ into drone technology like gallente because they both use slow ships. I am glad they are embracing drone boats for amarr, because the drone boats they do get are great, arbitrator, curse, pilgrim are pretty powerful armageddon is pretty good too. |
Karrl Tian
Yarrbusters
28
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Posted - 2012.11.07 17:41:00 -
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Fluff-wise, Drones make perfect sense for the slave owning fundamentalists. |
Mr Pragmatic
51
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Posted - 2012.11.07 18:28:00 -
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I support the amarr drone revolution. lasers suck. Maybe this world is another planet's hell. -Aldous Huxley
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Toshiroma McDiesel
Lupus Draconis Dragehund
49
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Posted - 2012.11.07 18:31:00 -
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Karrl Tian wrote:Fluff-wise, Drones make perfect sense for the slave owning fundamentalists.
I just got images of Amarr drones being piloted by slaves with pleasure/pain control systems I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service. |
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Mr Pragmatic
51
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Posted - 2012.11.07 18:32:00 -
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Also drones make perfect sense for amarr since they are stuck using crystals that only deal THERM and EM. Maybe this world is another planet's hell. -Aldous Huxley
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Xercodo
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
1401
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Posted - 2012.11.07 18:35:00 -
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Oh here's an idea...what if Amarr drone boats were speced to have better command and control (they're pr0 and cybernetics since that how they keep Emperors alive) and thus higher bandwidth than most Gallente drone boats but Gallente drone boats are speced to have better damage and tracking algorithms or have internal bays that can refit drones for more firepower.
They should have equal drone bay sizes and the Amarr will be able to use 5 drones and Gallente use 3 but with enough of a dmg bonus to count for 5.
Tbh what I really want is for amarr to have an extra drone per level bonus and the gallente have a raw dmg bonus xD
Also we need something to separate cruiser and BC drone boats since they both can fly 5 mediums as it is now....The BCs either need to be able to field more mediums or have a larger bonus to follow the trend medium missiles and guns follow when transitioning to BCs The Drake is a Lie |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
416
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Posted - 2012.11.07 18:51:00 -
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Drones, slaves, blah blah you got chocolate in my peanut butter. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate
852
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Posted - 2012.11.07 19:21:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:It makes sense that amarr put $$$ into drone technology like gallente because they both use slow ships. I am glad they are embracing drone boats for amarr, because the drone boats they do get are great, arbitrator, curse, pilgrim are pretty powerful armageddon is pretty good too. Gallente ships really aren't that slow, til you start strapping armor plates on them.
Try a gallente ship built around speed sometime, you may be pleasantly surprised by its performance(if you don't use hybrid guns).
The core issue with gallente ships is our real damage other than drones is so right up in your face its almost impossible to deliver without having to wade through enemy fire, and then you get knocked right back out when you get webbed.
Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Alara IonStorm
3410
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Posted - 2012.11.07 19:50:00 -
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Making ships for a race that will never use their own racial drones.
CCP is sure thinking outside the drone bay. |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1604
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Posted - 2012.11.07 20:03:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:It makes sense that amarr put $$$ into drone technology like gallente because they both use slow ships. I am glad they are embracing drone boats for amarr, because the drone boats they do get are great, arbitrator, curse, pilgrim are pretty powerful armageddon is pretty good too. Gallente ships really aren't that slow, til you start strapping armor plates on them. Try a gallente ship built around speed sometime, you may be pleasantly surprised by its performance(if you don't use hybrid guns). The core issue with gallente ships is our real damage other than drones is so right up in your face its almost impossible to deliver without having to wade through enemy fire, and then you get knocked right back out when you get webbed. This. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1171
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Posted - 2012.11.07 21:03:00 -
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I guess my main point was that CCP needs to realize sooner or later that Amarr drones ******* suck, and Caldari drones aren't much better. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Gillia Winddancer
Shiny Noble Crown Services
114
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Posted - 2012.11.07 21:45:00 -
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Another issue is the limit of 5 drones out. Whilst it keeps the lag- monster away it sort of also keeps Gallente from being the drone-hives that they should be. Then again, maybe this issue could be solved somehow relatively easy today.
Sheer numbers could otherwise be a very effective way of distinctly separate the factions in the drone department.
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
164
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Posted - 2012.11.07 22:14:00 -
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Amarr invented drones. The Feddies just stole the technology and integrated it further than the Empire did.
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Alara IonStorm
3414
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Posted - 2012.11.08 01:30:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:Amarr invented drones. The Feddies just stole the technology and integrated it further than the Empire did. Perhaps they should steal some of it back. At this point I am pretty sure the Amarr Navy buys Gal and Minmatar Drones off the market. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2731
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Posted - 2012.11.08 01:40:00 -
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So far the design theme seems to be Gallante usually get drone damage/hp bonus, while Amarr "usually" gets to carry a lot of variety in their over sized drone bays but with no bonuses (yes, there are exceptions which may need to be looked at).
This would be fine "IF"
1: Utility and EW drones of all types were actually worth using most of the time (outside of actual Caldari EW drones). 2: If the drone interface is improved to make manipulating them less of a complete cluster. 3: If the combat and scout drones all had distinct and significant advantages to using them (other than Minmatar fast, Gallante high damage, the rest are useless).
Lets face it neut drones, tracking disruptor drones, target painter drones, sensor dampening drones, and Amarr and Caldari combat drones are are fairly worthless. Repair drones are rarely used outside of a tournament setting.
Only Caldari EW drones and Minmatar and Gallante combat drones are your only real choices, and that makes the only advantage to having a big drone bay as being able to launch replacement drones when you lose one.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
267
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Posted - 2012.11.08 04:38:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:I think the Prophecy will still be inferior to the Myrmidon because it can't field as many drones. It's seems like CCP are taking a ship no-one uses because it sucks and turning it into a ship no-one will use because it still sucks. We shall have to wait and see though.
True but nobody uses any of the tier 1 Battle cruisers. |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
260
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Posted - 2012.11.08 06:20:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote: Only Caldari EW drones and Minmatar and Gallante combat drones are your only real choices, and that makes the only advantage to having a big drone bay as being able to launch replacement drones when you lose one.
Caldari have great sniping sentry drones. you tend to see them more with carriers at a pos bash. There just isn't anything intresting on the front page of the GD anymore. Yawn! |
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