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Complex Potential
Subjugation
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Posted - 2012.11.08 14:02:00 -
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Any comments on this fit for solo/small group hunting?
Vagabond Perma-MWD
I figure I'll orbit at about 25-27km. If I can get within about 24km I can use RF EMP which increases the DPS from 400 to 490 ish (although with poorer falloff).
Constructive comments welcome.
Thanks |
Maeltstome
the unified Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2012.11.08 14:06:00 -
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Constructive comment number 1: Your guns wont track with the MWD on. Constructive comment number 2: Every battleship will track you perfectly due to your sig and vomit on your face. Constructive comment number 3: No, it wont ever work. Use a 100mn AB and a missile boat to achieve what you think that vagabond can do. |
Complex Potential
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Posted - 2012.11.08 14:14:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:Constructive comment number 1: Your guns wont track with the MWD on. Constructive comment number 2: Every battleship will track you perfectly due to your sig and vomit on your face. Constructive comment number 3: No, it wont ever work. Use a 100mn AB and a missile boat to achieve what you think that vagabond can do.
Ok... thanks, I think.
I guess I'll have to go onto the test server and give it a shot but I'm sure I've seen perma-MWD setups on Vagas working well enough for others.
If what you say is true there's a guy I know who shouldn't ever get any kills, but he does, frequently.
So, second opinion then anyone? Are perma-MWD Vagabonds an extremely rubbish idea? |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.11.08 14:30:00 -
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I don't know why you would want to perma mwd. If there is a guy doing this successfully then it would make sense to ask him. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Complex Potential
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Posted - 2012.11.08 14:34:00 -
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Indeed it would and I shall ask him when I see him next. |
Maeltstome
the unified Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2012.11.08 14:37:00 -
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You can see the stats yourself, you have the sig radius of a small moon and the EHP of an un-buffered t1 cruiser... |
zuranus
Kebec corporation
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Posted - 2012.11.08 14:43:00 -
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Ahh common "Maeltstome" are you telling the OP he can't put a MWD on a vagabond for profit.
Then all those pilots are wrong...... I don't think so, just have a look at battleclinic they can't be all worthless.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/browse_loadouts.php |
Nex apparatu5
Wormhole Exploration Crew R.E.P.O.
377
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Posted - 2012.11.08 15:04:00 -
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Hint: linking battleclinic fits doesnt help your argument |
Itala D'Uhmri
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.08 15:05:00 -
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Hahhaaha.
10/10 would be trolled again.
I actually thought you were serious 'bout battleclinic for a second.
Anyways, OP - nice idea, won't work as others have said. Get a missile boat for it. |
Metal Icarus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
353
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Posted - 2012.11.08 15:13:00 -
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Go out and try it OP.
As for everyone else, the way you ppl talk is like the answer to life is a 100mn AB HML ship. |
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Complex Potential
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Posted - 2012.11.08 15:22:00 -
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That's what I will do, thanks.
tbh, if I am at 25km then a 0.1rad/s or higher should be plenty for my gun tracking (mathematically speaking), that like 6deg per second.
But let's assume the perma-mwd is bad m'kay? In that case I could trade speed for dps and simply pulse it to maintain distance when needed? |
Gibbo5771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.11.08 15:32:00 -
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Complex Potential wrote:That's what I will do, thanks.
tbh, if I am at 25km then a 0.1rad/s or higher should be plenty for my gun tracking (mathematically speaking), that like 6deg per second.
But let's assume the perma-mwd is bad m'kay? In that case I could trade speed for dps and simply pulse it to maintain distance when needed?
Then you may as well go with 2 lse and 220's. |
Complex Potential
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Posted - 2012.11.08 15:41:00 -
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Gibbo5771 wrote:Complex Potential wrote:That's what I will do, thanks.
tbh, if I am at 25km then a 0.1rad/s or higher should be plenty for my gun tracking (mathematically speaking), that like 6deg per second.
But let's assume the perma-mwd is bad m'kay? In that case I could trade speed for dps and simply pulse it to maintain distance when needed? Then you may as well go with 2 lse and 220's.
My thoughts exactly. |
Maeltstome
the unified Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2012.11.08 15:54:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:Go out and try it OP.
As for everyone else, the way you ppl talk is like the answer to life is a 100mn AB HML ship.
I take it you've never ran across a tengu with an off-grid loki in that case. Once you've met one piloted by someone with and IQ higher than a cabbage you will jump on the nerf train. |
Maeltstome
the unified Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2012.11.08 15:55:00 -
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Complex Potential wrote:Gibbo5771 wrote:Complex Potential wrote:That's what I will do, thanks.
tbh, if I am at 25km then a 0.1rad/s or higher should be plenty for my gun tracking (mathematically speaking), that like 6deg per second.
But let's assume the perma-mwd is bad m'kay? In that case I could trade speed for dps and simply pulse it to maintain distance when needed? Then you may as well go with 2 lse and 220's. My thoughts exactly.
And suddenly we are back in 2007 :) The downside being that the vaga is outshined by the tornado in a huge way these days. It has some advantages, but none that make it worth the money.
Look at the cynabal or Loki. |
Complex Potential
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Posted - 2012.11.08 16:12:00 -
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Well, that was the the last time I was playing properly :)
Isn't a cynabal a bit on the pricy side...? |
Metal Icarus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
353
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Posted - 2012.11.08 16:21:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:Metal Icarus wrote:Go out and try it OP.
As for everyone else, the way you ppl talk is like the answer to life is a 100mn AB HML ship. I take it you've never ran across a tengu with an off-grid loki in that case. Once you've met one piloted by someone with and IQ higher than a cabbage you will jump on the nerf train.
I have once, they even had two tengu's. What they didnt know was that we had two rapiers waiting for them to engage. One got away by the skin of his teeth.... just one.... |
Maeltstome
the unified Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2012.11.08 16:33:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:Maeltstome wrote:Metal Icarus wrote:Go out and try it OP.
As for everyone else, the way you ppl talk is like the answer to life is a 100mn AB HML ship. I take it you've never ran across a tengu with an off-grid loki in that case. Once you've met one piloted by someone with and IQ higher than a cabbage you will jump on the nerf train. I have once, they even had two tengu's. What they didnt know was that we had two rapiers waiting for them to engage. One got away by the skin of his teeth.... just one....
The fact you brought 2 rapiers and still could only kill 1 (with, im guessing, a significant ammount of DPS backing you up) speaks volumes about how effective they are. |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.11.08 22:05:00 -
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Whether the fit works in practice or not (it really might, I don't know), I'd like to remind the OP (and others) of a few things:
- That Vagabond will only be doing about 60% of its damage at the range you intend to use it at, even if you track perfectly. That is how falloff works. Suggestion: Up the guns to 220mm.
- Cap stability is not that important in PvP, particularly if you are counting your MWD being on. While it may appear that you only get 1.5 minutes or so of cap without fitting for cap stability, in reality you should be...
- "Pulsing" the MWD in combat -- turning it on now and then to keep distance, and just cruising without it on the rest of the time. That gives you much more cap run time. This also makes your signature not be bloated all the time, which improves your tank.
- If, based on the advice above, you decide to dump the cap battery, consider replacing it with another LSE. Speed and range enhance your tank, but they're no good if you don't have any tank in the first place.
I have seen kiting Vagabonds work, and have flown one myself. They are difficult to fly right, but when you do, it is incredibly fun. Good luck! ISD LackOfFaith Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Metal Icarus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
355
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Posted - 2012.11.08 22:07:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:Metal Icarus wrote:Maeltstome wrote:Metal Icarus wrote:Go out and try it OP.
As for everyone else, the way you ppl talk is like the answer to life is a 100mn AB HML ship. I take it you've never ran across a tengu with an off-grid loki in that case. Once you've met one piloted by someone with and IQ higher than a cabbage you will jump on the nerf train. I have once, they even had two tengu's. What they didnt know was that we had two rapiers waiting for them to engage. One got away by the skin of his teeth.... just one.... The fact you brought 2 rapiers and still could only kill 1 (with, im guessing, a significant ammount of DPS backing you up) speaks volumes about how effective they are.
He was t2 fit. yeah they are effective, and yes, they are expensive.
Does that mean they are the answer to all problems....
maybe... guess we will find out after the hml nerf. |
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Hatsumi Kobayashi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
223
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Posted - 2012.11.08 22:31:00 -
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ISD LackOfFaith wrote:Whether the fit works in practice or not (it really might, I don't know), I'd like to remind the OP (and others) of a few things:
An ISD that has some knowledge about how the game works?
What the hell is this CAUTION
SNIGGS |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.11.08 22:34:00 -
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Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:ISD LackOfFaith wrote:Whether the fit works in practice or not (it really might, I don't know), I'd like to remind the OP (and others) of a few things: An ISD that has some knowledge about how the game works? What the hell is this Have I disturbed you? ISD LackOfFaith Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
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Posted - 2012.11.09 05:16:00 -
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Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:ISD LackOfFaith wrote:Whether the fit works in practice or not (it really might, I don't know), I'd like to remind the OP (and others) of a few things: An ISD that has some knowledge about how the game works? What the hell is this Poke me when CCPer of that sort pops up. 14 |
SGT Neko
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.11.09 06:17:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:You can see the stats yourself, you have the sig radius of a small moon and the EHP of an un-buffered t1 cruiser... thats no moon! |
Complex Potential
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Posted - 2012.11.09 08:00:00 -
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Having looked into this for a while now I am starting to conclud that solo PvP is a lot harder than it used to be.
But for a player who fancies solo running through low sec once every now and again for laughs, looking for opportunist kills, I am struggling to find a better option than the vaga for that sort of price bracket.
True, it may not have the dps to solo everything it finds, but it can still pack a decent wallop and is still one of the fastest cruisers you can buy.
This last point is important for a solo opportunist; the ability to pick your fights, survive gate camps and gtfo when things go south.
Of course, I will likely not survive getting counter ganked by a high tech group with rapiers, lokis or arazus but not much else would either.
The perma mwd thing may not be the best idea but, if I practice and pick my fights intelligently, I may still be able to survive for a while. |
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.11.09 22:31:00 -
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SGT Neko wrote:Maeltstome wrote:You can see the stats yourself, you have the sig radius of a small moon and the EHP of an un-buffered t1 cruiser... thats no moon!
...it's a battlestation! |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2012.11.09 23:38:00 -
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Vaga uses MWD to dictate range. You can use MWD for transversal but this would tend to be to increase your damage on a small target. At 24km with MWD bloom you will not mitigate any damage as a result of transversal alone.
Transversal helps but it is not a good idea to simply orbit in a ship like this. You run the risk of getting sling-shotted into tackle range.
Doesn't mean perma MWD itself is a bad idea necessarily. The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures. |
Ares Desideratus
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.11.10 23:29:00 -
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Sirinda wrote:SGT Neko wrote:Maeltstome wrote:You can see the stats yourself, you have the sig radius of a small moon and the EHP of an un-buffered t1 cruiser... thats no moon! ...it's a battlestation! can't even quote star wars properly noob |
Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.11 00:23:00 -
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lol, me thinks the OP is really looking for this |
Alua Oresson
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.11.11 05:04:00 -
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ISD LackOfFaith wrote: Have I disturbed you?
Actually, we find your lack of faith disturbing.
As far as the Vagabond goes, it doesn't quite measure up to the types of ships that are typically flown nowadays. A drake will outdamage it at range, Hurricane will have similar range, better tank, and more damage (but slower). Then you have the T3 Battlecruisers that even with short range weapons will rip a Vagabond apart before it can take any of them down. The Vagabond is simply outranged nowadays.
Not to mention that the Vagabond is eclipsed by the Cynabal which is better than the Vagabond in all ways and at a fairly competitive price as well. http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/ |
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