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Amedeus Nolen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:36:00 -
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*****TL;DR Pod me? Please?*****
IGÇÖve been playing EVE for 4 months and I just keep feeling like I'm missing something.
Now obviously IGÇÖm missing out on the corporate dynamic, as you can tell by my only character spending the whole time in an NPC corp. DonGÇÖt feel like I have enough time/skills/talent to play with the big boys in the real corps. What IGÇÖm talking about is missing the fly what you can lose, nonconsensual pvp. Where is it?
I started playing EVE after reading an article about Burn Jita. I had always heard about it and put it off, but after spending 6mo with SW:TOR I really felt like I needed something different. So I read a devblog about TiDi implementation for the event and besides making my eyes bleed it made me want to play the game. Bad. So I did what I always do, I read. I read ISK the guide. Cover to cover. And after I had taken enough Advil to make the brain stop hurting I read wikis. Forum threads. Day zero for EVE players. Anything I could find. And only after about 2 weeks of reading I finally made the jump and started my trial subscription and LOVED IT.
The sense of danger was palpable. CouldnGÇÖt really understand setting an undock warp point so I was convinced I was going to be killed every time I undocked. (Yeah, now I know youGÇÖre not gonna get ganked in a started system :-/ ) I told my friends I was playing and couldnGÇÖt convince anyone to play because of the danger. They had heard about the wretched hive of scum and villainy. The first thing one of my friends said in response to GÇ£oh IGÇÖve started playing this EVE gameGÇ¥ was to ask me if IGÇÖve been killed and robbed yet.
So I fit my shields. I constantly aligned to station while I was mining, ever vigilant that somewhere out there was someone looking to give me a one way ticket back to a clone bay. I would dock when I had to empty my bladder. I ran away from agents giving me missions to low sec. Whenever I bought something to fit a ship I bought 2 to replace it when I got blown up.
And thenGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪnothingGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪ.
The griefers never came. The tear drinking, ship ganking, newbie pwning 733t pvpers let my clones expire in their bays, never used before I had to upgrade to a new model. Insurance on my ships expired. I donGÇÖt even remember if I have insurance on any of my active ships. I got lazy, and it got bad. The other day I let my mack mine ice while I drove my wife to work and stopped at the store. I leave drones in space and forget to add new ones when I get back to station. I spent a week with an expanded cargohold on my drake because I kept forgetting to put my power relay back on. I take missions into low sec and putter around a bitGǪ salvaging and watching nothing happen in local.
It got so bad that I plotted a course 35 jumps into low-sec the other day just to see how far I could get. (In case you are wondering, 2 jumps in a civilian fit starter frigate) After being podded for my first time on this run I actually thanked the campers that got me for giving me the experience.
Which leads me back to my topic, what am I doing wrong? Where are the gankers? I have so many tears built up that I need a good release. Is it all about the null corp pvp that nobody spends time killing the little guy anymore? Can I put a bounty on myself just to make it so that IGÇÖm afraid again?
Suggestions appreciated. Thank you for your time, and fly (not too) safe! |
Grapez
Moviintti
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:41:00 -
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There aren't, actually, that many gankers. But there are a lot of people willing to complain about the few that do exist. If you're in a safari mood, head to Rancer or Gonditsa or Reblier and just chill in one of the belts.
I didn't read you op but I hope that this is helpful anyway. later. |
Kobal81
14th Legion
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:42:00 -
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HTFU |
Ditra Vorthran
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:46:00 -
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Posting on the forums is a good way to start. "Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus |
bloodknight2
Talledega Knights
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:47:00 -
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First time i went into low sec...i lost my apoc. Second time i went into low sec...i lost a second apoc =) Some systems are more dangerous than others. |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
223
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:49:00 -
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Reminds me of a joke:
Masochist says, "Hurt me, hurt me."
Sadist replys, "No." "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Clystan
Binaerie Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:52:00 -
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You need a plan.
Pick a plan that involves more risk and interaction and execute it!
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Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:52:00 -
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If you want to find gankers, go out and look for them. You can't just have everything you want handed to you on a plate, you have to do things for yourself. |
Xercodo
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:53:00 -
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You just discovered the melodramatic hyperbole that surround EVE and all the stuff about it. It really isn't half as bad as what people make it out to be. But the second you **** off anyone with any significant power it will be hell. You need to do something to get noticed. Goto a very crowded and popular mining system near Jita, there is bound to be plenty of gankers around there.
Insult someone's mother, get them really riled up, get them to war dec you....then you start to feel it.
Or maybe go live a week in deep null sec. It's a definite personal test of will to live in null with no blues of friends to speak of....you'll end up getting complacent with the lack of people popping in and out of local. You will get lazy with the expectation that your system is empty 23.5/7 when you're that far out on the edge.....
And then one day you'll find yourself in station in highsec after having gone afk in a belt. The Drake is a Lie |
Sarlot
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:53:00 -
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I completely agree with OP on the rarity of high sec ganks. In my many years of off and on play I have never been attacked while mining in a .6 or above system (but I was bumped once) and the only time I was somewhat consistently attacked while mining in a .5 system was a system located between low sec systems. Now if the OP is serious about wanting to be consistenty attacked in a low sec system I would reccommend Ami in Amarr space that is a tough place to afk mine.
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Kara Vix
Sanford and Son Salvage Peregrine Nation
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Posted - 2012.11.08 19:55:00 -
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Join RvB as red or blue and shoot your little heart out, and have your little heart shot out. That should keep you busy awhile. |
Expending Doom
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Posted - 2012.11.08 20:04:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:If you want to find gankers, go out and look for them. You can't just have everything you want handed to you on a plate, you have to do things for yourself.
If you want to find gankers you could make yourself bait. A lot of people will fly around with Blueprints and/or PLEX to achieve this. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1838
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Posted - 2012.11.08 20:08:00 -
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You need to **** someone off it sounds like. Get in the heaviest ship you can with as much mass as possible. MWD fit the thing and start bumping the crap out of freighters and miners. That will get some hate on you. EVE is not about PvP.-á EVE is about the SANDBOX! |
baltec1
Bat Country
2746
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Posted - 2012.11.08 20:12:00 -
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90% of whines are a result of Bat Country operations it seems. In the caldari ice interdiction the forums exploded with ranting and raving about how highsec was awash with gankers and that everything was on fire and nothing could be done. Truth was that there was 15 bats blowing up barges with no tank.
The chances of a ganker finding you is somewhat slim given the low number of us and the fact that we only target the exceptionally stupid. If you want to find pvp you are going to have to either join RvB or leave high sec. |
Totalrx
NA No Assholes
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Posted - 2012.11.08 20:17:00 -
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Remember that in High Sec, you have to be worth something to get ganked.
A small civ fitted frig isn't worth the sec hit or the loss of a ship to Concord.
Sign up for Red vs Blue or find a Faction Warfare corp. Then you will be checking your back more often |
Vincent R'lyeh
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2012.11.08 20:19:00 -
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Where you were going wrong is here:
Quote: while I was mining
Where you started to do things correctly was about here:
Quote:It got so bad that I plotted a course 35 jumps into low-sec the other day just to see how far I could get.
Now rinse & repeat, never look back.......
FLY YOU FOOL! |
Amedeus Nolen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.08 20:29:00 -
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Vincent R'lyeh wrote:Where you were going wrong is here: Quote: while I was mining Where you started to do things correctly was about here: Quote:It got so bad that I plotted a course 35 jumps into *EDIT*Null-sec the other day just to see how far I could get. Now rinse & repeat, never look back....... FLY YOU FOOL!
Thanks for your posts everyone! I guess that I was wrong in my conception about what life therere is in a corp like RVB or living out in null...
if you join RVB I assumed that it would be just fleet/blob warfare on one side to the other... does it involve hunting/being hunted 1v1? if so that makes it much more enticing.
I was also under the impression that null was more corp/alliance/sov based and there wasn't much to do unless you were part of a corp... I don't have tons of time to play and i play at odd hours so i mostly rat/mine/mission by my lonesome. stupid newfoundland time... up before NA and after EU
I just want that sense of danger and excitement again... and having the adrenaline start pumping while i'm just making a boring shuttle run to pick up a new part, ydig?
thank again for eveyone's input! |
Romvex
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Posted - 2012.11.08 20:41:00 -
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1. Buy 50 rifters, merlins, incursus or punishers 2. give zero fucks 3. lose them ALL 4. find out what you did wrong each time you lose one, every now and then you get a kill Post with your main |
Aziesta
Sathainn Braithrean Cartel Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2012.11.08 21:21:00 -
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While many people dump on Providence, it does have a decent amount of small-gang warfare. And since they're NRDS, you can head down there any time you want. I'm sure someone's recruiting. There's also videos of people doing solo roams. Check out kil2 (youtube link), as well as several others. They often explain what they're doing, which is helpful for those of us who are hopeless at pvp, but enjoy it nonetheless. |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.11.08 21:37:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:You need to **** someone off it sounds like. Get in the heaviest ship you can with as much mass as possible. MWD fit the thing and start bumping the crap out of freighters and miners. That will get some hate on you. Doesn't work :/
Miners aren't motivated enough to attack you.
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Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.11.08 21:51:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:You need to **** someone off it sounds like. Get in the heaviest ship you can with as much mass as possible. MWD fit the thing and start bumping the crap out of freighters and miners. That will get some hate on you. Doesn't work :/ Miners aren't motivated enough to attack you.
Sure it works. He said "Hate" not "attack."
Judging by GD, bumping works really well at generating Hate. And Santa is apparently making a list. He's not going to do anything with it, but he's assured us that that list will be made. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
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Posted - 2012.11.08 22:05:00 -
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looking to highsec for content |
Shou Kaukonen
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
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Posted - 2012.11.09 02:59:00 -
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I've run into the same issue you describe in the past. The sad truth is that EVE, being a sandbox-model MMO, comes with no guarantees that when you log in there will be anything readily available to do. There are ways around this that pretty much any player can exploit, but that a new player might not know much about.
First: Red vs Blue. They have been mentioned before, but let me go into a bit more detail for you: rvb prides itself on offering an extremely active, no-strings, no-elitism pvp playground. The red federation and blue republic are permanently wardecced, so if you want to go find a fight you usually can. Additionally, when there are both red and blue fleets spoiling for a fight, it's not uncommon for the FC's to coordinate with each other to make the sides more even and ensure a better battle - up to and including shipping down to give the other guys a fighting chance, if the opposing side can't meaningfully oppose an uber fleet. It's not about blobs or killboard padding, and they literally accept anyone (subject to being booted if you're a jerk or consistently violate the rules of engagement, of course), so it's a great place to start. If I sound like a fanboy, it's because I got my first real taste of eve pvp in rvb, and I still keep a low-skill alt there for tooling around and causing trouble in frigs or dessies. Totally positive experience, highly recommended.
Second: faction warfare. This one has gotten some hate over the years - for a long time it was reputed to be pointless and unbalanced, and now it gets a bit of hate for being filled with plex runners abusing the mechanics to make isk. However, CCP has succeeded at getting people into the FW scene and there are targets to be had in all militias (with varying frequencies, it's true. Caldari and Gallente are both relatively balanced, but Minmatar is bloated and Amarr is the underdog in terms of membership though by all accounts they are slowly turning things around). The newbie appeal here is that FW is basically a free, permanent wardec that lets you pvp in lowsec (and thus avoid the bubbles and alliance politics of null, btw) without sec status loss in a relatively target-rich environment. This one also allows you to come and go at will if you join one of the 4 npc militia corporations, but be warned people often assume that you're a spy if you're in the npc militias, so you will probably fly solo unless you get into a FW player corp. Also, be aware that killing enemy FW NPC's, doing FW missions and capturing plexes will result in a precipitous standing drop with the enemy empire, such that you one day may not be able to enter their space without being attacked even if you quit FW. This will NOT happen from tooling around and shooting enemy militia players - you lose standing with the enemy militia CORPORATION, but not with that corp's faction.
There is one big contrast between these 2 to be aware of: rvb is more likely to have pewpew and relatively fair fights at any given time, but they tend to be somewhat 'arranged' - certain ship types (ewar vessels, mostly) are banned from stock rvb fights to keep them fun, for example. FW definitely places you in hostile territory with an 'anything goes' ethos, but while you are more likely to run into an opponent than if you were just screwing around randomly, there's no guarantee you will actually find someone, or that when you do find someone it won't be a deathblob. I've had more than one roam where I didn't see anyone I could hope to take...and more than one roam where I blundered straight from a string of quiet systems into a gatecamp and got wiped out.
For my part, I did both for awhile: my aforementioned low skill alt lived in rvb, and my main was in an fw corp, and between the two I was rarely at a loss for something to do. I know that was rather long winded, OP, but it seemed like you were looking for a little more detail about what your options are, and these are the best ways I know of to get fights without griefing, ganking or being labeled a troll.
TLDR: red vs blue or faction warfare. Seriously. |
Nexus Day
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.09 03:09:00 -
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Funny stuff.
I get scanned down all the time going through lo-sec gates.
50/50 in WH space I will get attacked.
I active mine once a month and still have people try and bump me.
Pretty sure OP is trying to dumb it down as part of the recent "EvE ain't that bad" campaign to try and loosen up hi-sec. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
810
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Posted - 2012.11.09 03:32:00 -
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Honestly the entire dynamic of eve changes when you are involved with either a motivated group who plays together and has goals, or at least a group with an interesting dynamic or culture that you share. Playing Eve solo sounds miserable frankly, and I don't understand how you have even been able to last four months in an NPC corp.
When people talk about "Content" in an MMO they are generally talking about narative, or mechanics, or interesting things to see and do. In Eve the PVP even at it's most difficult basically boils down to making little red +'s go away until another wave of little red +'s show up so you can make them go away too and then you get paid. CCP's idea of an interesting mechanic is making them change targets occasionally, or making one random ship neut really hard. Let's not even pretend that PVE in Eve is "Content". From the PVE narrative perspective eve doesn't have a "Point" you can drive towards, there isn't really much of a storyline. You aren't going to get to max level and start raiding.
Most of the "Content" that is available in eve is available in day one, that content of course being interaction with other players. If you are solo and staying solo frankly you are limiting by a fair bit the "Content" that is available to you in Eve. So I'm going to use a word again here that I think is important: Narrative. Ultimately everyone that continues to play eve has one. If you go into the crime and punishment forum you will see dozens of people who have given themselves the "Narrative" of pirate. So each night they and their friends log into eve and find juicy ships to ransom or kill.
The "Burn Jita" event that you spoke of is but one small part of my own alliances ongoing narrative, externally other people have their own viewpoints on who and what goons are but internally it's simple. It's Us Vs You. You being you. Miners? We're against you. PVE Pilots? We're against you. Elite PVP'ers? We're against you. A lot of people think that Burn Jita was in response to the entire Mittanigate scandal. What they don't realize is that Burn Jita actually got postponed because of the whole Mittanigate scandal and was actually supposed to be engaged shortly after he got to fanfest.
Burn Jita wasn't our revenge. It was our reward. We were promised an alliance funded orgy of explosions if we garnered over 10,000 votes for Mittens, which we did. The fact that he didn't retain the seat which we had won for him was of little import, and given our own internal mercurial nature if he didn't give us our reward there was an even up chance that we would have trolled him into disbanding the alliance (again).
And do you know what? Internally our narrative doesn't even show us as the bad guys. We're the heroes of this game.
Do you know why?
Because it's a video game and the average line member treats it like one. It's just like space pixels man. |
chopper14
Emo Rage Quit
2
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Posted - 2012.11.09 03:40:00 -
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OP is a troll.
I would ask what a 4month old char owns that would actually give them and adrenaline rush in a PVP situation? Part of the rush is watching somthing you've invested more time into building than your home being torn appart by a group of ruthlessly laughing freckle faced gremlins.
That being said. Join my corp. ;) I will make it my personal mission to drag you through eve hell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwqIGV53BrQ
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
1039
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Posted - 2012.11.09 03:45:00 -
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Go to low sec and null sec and you'll find fights.
If you want to be ganked then fly around in ridiculously easy to kill stuff with over 1B isk.
Join a corp, noone (well almost) cares what your SP is, they want motivated pilots.
Your skill points don't matter and noone gives a ****, everyone needs fresh blood.
Where I am. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
695
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Posted - 2012.11.09 08:31:00 -
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Amedeus Nolen wrote: while I was mining
Ahh. There you go. That's what you're doing wrong OP.
Also, this game is ALL ABOUT the "corp dynamic" you have been missing out on. Get a headset. Get teamspeak. Join a corp. Learn to play. |
ACE McFACE
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
866
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Posted - 2012.11.09 10:54:00 -
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bloodknight2 wrote:First time i went into low sec...i lost my apoc. Second time i went into low sec...i lost a second apoc =) Some systems are more dangerous than others. I think the main problem was that you were flying a BS through "No one drove in New York, there was too much traffic." |
TripStarrR
Bladerunners
2
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Posted - 2012.11.09 11:13:00 -
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if your not happy with the amount of ganking going on why not try it yourself?
fit up a thrasher and go gank a mining barge?
or better yet fit up a smartbombing geddon and watch the tears flow?
the main reason you don't see as much "micro" ganking is because of the cost associated. not so long ago ccp - in their infinite wisdom - removed the ability to receive insurance payout on a ship if you get killed by concord..
my suggestion to you is join a corp. Don't be scared brah. sp isn't as important as you think.
Trip. |
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