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Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
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Posted - 2012.11.10 00:01:00 -
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So you're the captain of the sneakiest cargo hauler around... None can see you coming to a gate. You're never uncloaked long enough to be locked when warping off. You've found the perfect vessel for ferrying high value, low volume cargo (well, except for interdiction). But...
...You know that moment between requesting docking and actually docking?... its enough to kill you.
Leave Warp -> Docking Permission Re... Locked -> BOOM ... quested
Examine for instance, this sterling "combat" record. *waves from the front of the kill parade*
from 05/10/12 to present: ~75 Transport ship kills in Jita totaling 65 billion ISK in destroyed goods and 41 billion isk in drops (And that's not counting the tech II salvage)... 8 of these kills had nearly empty cargo holds not worth the gank btw... it's shoot first and check cargo later
168 billion lifetime destroyed+looted, which counts a number of non-transport ship vessels in Jita as well.
What's the overhead you ask? 1 CONCORDed Tornado per kill, worth 115 mil (8x 1400mm Artil II w/ RF Fusion Ammo, 4 gryos, 3 tracking computers), {average 27 mil recovered from wreck} and one very safe sensor linking abetter on standby with salvagers waiting to scoop loot at the warp-in/docking point. After 75 Concordukens that's not much more than 6,906,342,850.00 isk in costs... maybe twice that when people exercise their kill rights. So...
41 bil - 14 bil = 27 bil profit, before split (assuming there even is one), just from transport ships
Largest single waste? 6,027,431,778.00 / 6,105,551,023.00 ISK lost (with 41k tripped power circuits, 10k armor plates, and 4k ATBs aboard, all destroyed) notable runner up: 5,701,098,209.00 / 6,198,209,184.00 ISK lost (mostly from 71 x 21st tier overseer effects aboard)
Largest single drop? 5,935,502,689.00 / 6,054,512,131.00 ISK dropped (with 45-60x full or near-to-full sets of standard and basic learning implants aboard, all surviving destruction)
So, how does one defend themselves from such an attack? a.) Don't land within targeting range. The sniper typically sits 50-90k off warp-in, in line with Perimeter jump gate, so landing on the other side of the station should place you out of range... b.) Refit before warping to Jita 4-4. Have at least 20,000 effective hps especially against exp/kin... using up most of your transport ship's slots in the process c.) Be moving when you dock, their sensor strength is through the roof, but those battleship class guns cant track a cruiser sized object all that well.... of course you're transverse is 0 when coming out of warp and 0'd again when requesting docking d.) Check local for known gankers before warping to Jita 4-4... of course almost anyone could be doing it e.) Wait for Retribution to come out and see if bounties and kill rights are enough to put them out of business... let's see, how much does it cost to alt-scum tier 3 battlecruiser pilots who can alpha for 5-10k these days?
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2898
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Posted - 2012.11.10 02:01:00 -
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Pirates can't operate in high-sec. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
76
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Posted - 2012.11.10 04:32:00 -
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Oh? Gosh, my bad, I must have posted in error... CCP? Please delete all evidence to the contrary:
28 bil Paladin] (~18 bil in profits, 7 way split) (in 0.7) story in-game news
19.7 bil Kronos (~6 bil in profits, 10 way split) (in 0.5) thread
aforementioned 7 pages of transport ship kills (27+ bil in profits, 1-2 way split) (0.9)
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
3464
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Posted - 2012.11.10 04:33:00 -
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Faulx wrote:Oh? Gosh, my bad, I must have posted in error... CCP? Please delete all evidence to the contrary: 28 bil Paladin] (~18 bil in profits, 7 way split) (in 0.7) storyin-game news19.7 bil Kronos (~6 bil in profits, 10 way split) (in 0.5) threadaforementioned 7 pages of transport ship kills (27+ bil in profits, 1-2 way split) (0.9)
Ganks, not piracy "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
76
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Posted - 2012.11.10 04:40:00 -
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pi-+ra-+cy GÇé GÇé[pahy-ruh-see] noun, plural pi-+ra-+cies. 1. practice of a pirate; robbery or illegal violence a¦¦t¦¦ ¦¦s¦¦e¦¦a¦¦ in space. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
3469
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Posted - 2012.11.10 05:13:00 -
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Faulx wrote:pi-+ra-+cy GÇé GÇé[pahy-ruh-see] noun, plural pi-+ra-+cies. 1. practice of a pirate; robbery or illegal violence a¦¦t¦¦ ¦¦s¦¦e¦¦a¦¦ in space.
It's not illegal, in fact CCP fully endorses the practices of gankers. Concord is simply the bill you have to pay "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
76
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Posted - 2012.11.10 05:44:00 -
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*snore strawman arguement* CONCORD is the one who classes the act as illegal, not CCP. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
3470
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Posted - 2012.11.10 05:56:00 -
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"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
76
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Posted - 2012.11.10 06:50:00 -
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...
If you break CCP's rules by say... botting, you get a ban. If your character breaks CONCORDs rules, committing an "illegal" act (i.e. piracy) in empire, your character get a "Criminal" flag. If they are in high sec at that time, your character gets their ship destroyed.
Piracy is an action of the character, not the player.
The same goes for ganking.
Arguing that ganking is legal because CCP has no rule against it (for the player) does not mean that ganking isn't piracy (for the character).
... in any case, this strays from the topic: Beware, if you fly a transport ship to Jita 4-4, expect that it may be destroyed (and later, looted) in the 2 seconds before you dock. or: High sec piracy: if you lock fast and ask questions later, there may be profit. |
Mytzso
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.11.10 08:48:00 -
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All these rumors of pirates. I've never seen one and I am playing a few years now. |
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Evolution1979
No Self Esteem Malefic Aspects
59
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Posted - 2012.11.10 10:38:00 -
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If you dont wanna die when docking your ship, you could just make a bm at the far end of the station, warp to zero and then dock, you should be fine, however it will probably be to much effort for most people, who then imo deserve what they get! |
Queue K'Umber
Lucky Golden Emperor's Jade Phoenix Dragon Bistro
17
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Posted - 2012.11.10 12:04:00 -
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OP committing forum piracy. |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
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Posted - 2012.11.10 18:22:00 -
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So what is the sec status cost? How is it to rat back up? |
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
76
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Posted - 2012.11.10 23:35:00 -
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By the Current mechanic?:
0.5% loss per target for initiating aggression 2.0% loss for ship destruction
Soon to be: 2.5% loss per target for initiating aggression
CCP Masterplan wrote: Security-status penalties are now GÇÿfront-loadedGÇÖ, so a criminal/suspect will incur the full penalty when an illegal attack starts, not when (if) the target is destroyed.
... also since,
Players with -2.5 or worse will be attacked in 0.9 systems
So: number of ganks | sec status 15.0 24.63 34.26 43.90 53.56 63.22 72.89 82.56 92.25 101.94 111.64 121.35 131.07 140.79 150.52 160.26 170.00 18-.25 19-.49 20-.73 21-.96 22-1.19 23-1.41 24-1.62 25-1.83 26-2.03 27-2.23 28-2.43 <--- time to stop 29-2.62
Ratting back up is just like any other faction grind... about .09% to .38% every ten minutes... so from ~10.15 to 40.5 hours of ratting later you're back up to 0.003 and can gank another 12 people... I'm sure there's some short cuts out there.... like alt scumming
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DZeeta
Meltdown.
4
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Posted - 2012.11.11 08:59:00 -
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Isn't it because you just jumped to the system and the 30sec(?) session change timer has to run out before you can dock station- aka change session again? Warp to planet first after entering solar system and then dock up. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2898
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Posted - 2012.11.11 10:54:00 -
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Suggesting gankers get their sec status up to 5 before ganking again, heh.
Their is a punishment for their crime in game already. Stop crying about a balanced game mechanic OP. Also your examples are stupidly over pimped ships that are most likely piloted by clueless morons. Anyone with a brain would either fly a more inconspicuous fit or at least watch their backs while undocking in such a pinata. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
158
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Posted - 2012.11.12 03:17:00 -
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IMHO OP is just warning pilots that them can get instapopped the second(s) they try to enter Jita 4-4
I recommend to use an Orca to deliver stuff to Jita. |
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
76
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Posted - 2012.11.12 12:18:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Suggesting gankers get their sec status up to 5 before ganking again, heh. ...
Faulx wrote:so from ~10.15 to 40.5 hours of ratting later you're back up to 0.003 and can gank another 12 people... I'm sure there's some short cuts out there.... like alt scumming The table going up to 5.0 is just for reference. Assuming, by some voodoo, a ganker starts above 0.0, one can subtract positions on the table to see how many ganks it would take to get to -2.5.
Flurk Hellbron wrote:IMHO OP is just warning pilots that them can get instapopped the second(s) they try to enter Jita 4-4 quite right |
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
76
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Posted - 2012.11.12 12:32:00 -
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DZeeta wrote:Isn't it because you just jumped to the system and the 30sec(?) session change timer has to run out before you can dock station- aka change session again?
Actually, the session change timer is now much less than 30 seconds. Having been reduced from 30 to 20, from 20 to 15, and from 15 to 10 seconds, through various patches (if i remember the progression right). Just dock up at any station and mouse over the little timer-ma-jig in the top left corner above the system name if you want to see for yourself.
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SAVANT Mahr
The Red Circle Inc.
6
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Posted - 2012.11.13 19:22:00 -
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Faulx wrote:Lady Spank wrote:Suggesting gankers get their sec status up to 5 before ganking again, heh. ... Faulx wrote:so from ~10.15 to 40.5 hours of ratting later you're back up to 0.003 and can gank another 12 people... I'm sure there's some short cuts out there.... like alt scumming The table going up to 5.0 is just for reference. Assuming, by some voodoo, a ganker starts above 0.0, one can subtract positions on the table to see how many ganks it would take to get to -2.5. Flurk Hellbron wrote:IMHO OP is just warning pilots that them can get instapopped the second(s) they try to enter Jita 4-4 quite right
So why you posting this crap in C&P agian? Not really encountered alot of bear whining in here but hey I guess if you warned even 1 freghter pilot that they could loose their load to a Jita gank....oh wait thats prob a new player topic...what was your point agian? |
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
721
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:01:00 -
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What is the point of this thread?
It's easy to avoid getting instapopped by suicidal tornados... Fly smart, use bookmarks, and most importantly, don't bling out / load up a ship worth more iskies than it takes to destroy you.....
Simple and easy....
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Ristlin Wakefield
Wanderers of the Eternal Darkness Eternal Pretorian Alliance
137
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:05:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: What is the point of this thread?
It's easy to avoid getting instapopped by suicidal tornados... Fly smart, use bookmarks, and most importantly, don't bling out / load up a ship worth more iskies than it takes to destroy you.....
Simple and easy....
Simple and easy requires more effort than some people are willing to put into the safekeeping of their investments, but somehow they find the energy to complain on the forums. I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license. |
SAVANT Mahr
The Red Circle Inc.
6
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:06:00 -
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LOL and this advice hasnt been discussed Ad Nauseum in how many threads? Just saying..... |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
448
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:13:00 -
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We should probably start a whole new thread to continue this one. Everyone knows that Jita gank awareness needs to be spread by multiple threads all sporting the same info. Hopefully 10000 jita gank threads will result in CCP changing Freighters because freighter pilots dont know how to fit or fly them, and nerfing tier3 BCs because they just cause too much butthurt. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
76
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Posted - 2012.11.13 20:20:00 -
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@SAVANT Mahr
CCP Spitfire wrote:Welcome to the Crime and Punishment forum section! Warn others of the latest scam, hire a mercenary to seek revenge or brag about your kills. This is the place to discuss the criminal elements of EVE.... Tell me again about all the threads in which transport ship ganks have been discussed.
@Gizznitt Malikite The gank easy to avoid if you know its possible. Thus the thread...
Its also easy to avoid threads in whose topic you aren't interested... |
SAVANT Mahr
The Red Circle Inc.
6
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Posted - 2012.11.14 16:59:00 -
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Faulx wrote:@SAVANT Mahr CCP Spitfire wrote:Welcome to the Crime and Punishment forum section! Warn others of the latest scam, hire a mercenary to seek revenge or brag about your kills. This is the place to discuss the criminal elements of EVE.... Tell me again about all the threads in which transport ship ganks have been discussed. @Gizznitt Malikite The gank easy to avoid if you know its possible. Thus the thread... Its also easy to avoid threads in whose topic you aren't interested... http://themittani.com/features/should-freighter-ganking-be-nerfed
http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2012/04/jita-gank-survival-guide.htmlhttp://k162space.com/tag/jita/
http://skilltrainingcomplete.com/questions/best-ship-for-suicide-ganking-freighters-in-high-sec
So, in case youGÇÖve missed it, Jita is not exactly a safe place for freighters loaded with shiny right now. So, letGÇÖs name and shame, shall we?: http://evenews24.com/2012/04/27/the-freighter-list-of-shame/
http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/76353/how-much-is-safe-to-carry-out-of-jita-in-a-freighter
http://blog.eveonline.li/category/jita/
......^^ |
Syrias Bizniz
Carnivore Company To be Announced.
26
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Posted - 2012.11.14 18:35:00 -
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He's not talking about Freighter Ganks.
He's talking about sitting in a Nado at Jita 4-4, Overview set to Transportships (You know, cloaky Haulers. Those that... cloak). Wait for one to land at station. Mash lock target like a mad ****. Press F1 before his docking request is accepted. And voil+í, maybe you just made a few bil ISK. |
SAVANT Mahr
The Red Circle Inc.
6
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Posted - 2012.11.14 18:53:00 -
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facepalm yea misread...im not mad lol |
Mike Adoulin
Trans-Aerospace Industries
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Posted - 2012.11.14 22:59:00 -
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Suggestion to OP........
Stop going to Jita.....
Other places to sell your nefarious wares.
I wish CCP would just get it over with and make Jita an Empire null system.
Now that would be...interesting...... |
Apoctasy
Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative
7
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Posted - 2012.11.21 22:52:00 -
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The OP isn't actually whining or crying about anything. He is basically just warning others of their potential to get ganked in the second before docking |
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