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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2000
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Posted - 2012.11.19 11:21:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:The fun thing is that even with the current mechanics, we had FCs promise death and murder if some guy warped at 0 to a Titan with a BC  So tempting... It's because titans are a total ***** to stop once you get them moving. If you have a titan inside the shields of a POS that some fleet members don't have access to, you could end up bumping the titan outside of the fleet's jump range.
I know that, I just wanted to bring in some smile in this wall of tears of a thread.
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Powers Sa
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
370
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Posted - 2012.11.19 11:30:00 -
[452] - Quote
Double. Wrap. seriously. I moved 10+ full freighter loads this weekend, no issues. Gypsy Band and The Initiative. were around. |
Lord Zim
2039
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Posted - 2012.11.19 11:31:00 -
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Abu Tarynnia wrote:I doubt that .. just too many psychos and sociopaths :)
hurr if you gank ships in a PVP focused game you're a psycho and a sociopath durr
Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
McBorsk
Multispace Technologies Inc
Yulai Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.11.19 11:52:00 -
[454] - Quote
Could change Nijara and Uedama to 0.9. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
R O G U E
660
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Posted - 2012.11.19 12:32:00 -
[455] - Quote
McBorsk wrote:Could change Nijara and Uedama to 0.9.
could change every system in the game to 1.0.
Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Sky Liddell
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
6
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Posted - 2012.11.19 12:34:00 -
[456] - Quote
McBorsk wrote:Could change Nijara and Uedama to 0.9.
Factional gateways, under the sovereignty of Concord and 1.0 sec. DMZ systems.
Think it will happen? |
March rabbit
Aliastra
264
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Posted - 2012.11.19 12:50:00 -
[457] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Abu Tarynnia wrote:I doubt that .. just too many psychos and sociopaths :) if you gank ships in a PVP focused game you're a psycho and a sociopath
first reasonable sentence from you for looong time 
this is a progress! |
Newsflash
The Scope
Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.11.19 13:04:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:FDIC Agent wrote:My corp and I recently encountered a group of suicide gankers. Knowing we needed to move a freighter ourselves we explored several options.
- Make sure the cargo was only a couple (2-3) billion worth in goods.
- Avoid known hot spots according to kill boards.
- Escort the freighter with scouts.
- Bring along a few ECM ships to try and minimize the incoming damage.
- Pay attention to local for anyone that is known to be with suicide ganker gangs.
In the end we still lost the freighter to a log on trap. When the frighter landed on the gate a suicide gang was landing on it from all directions and did not come from any of the other systems, we know because we had scouts in all directions. When they landed they engaged and forced our freighter to jump the gate or die. We tried to ECM some, but they had far too much DPS. And of course the other group was on the other side of the gate to finish off the freighter, logging in as well. So kindly take all your advice on how these things are avoidable and shove them directly up your basement dwelling fat ass!  I QUIT! You got outsmarted and rather than learn you quit.
why should he keep playing for your pleasure. and for all others who also get their jollies from blowing up unarmed ships in high security space? it doesnt matter if concord kills ships that participate in attack. damage is done and risk has been calculated. also it doesnt matter if you have scouts and escorts cos your freighter will still get popped with huge alpha dps.
lastly. you say if people would haul less they wouldnt get ganked. i call bullshit. if everyone would start doing that people would still gank them just because "lol its so funny to blow up highsec carebears and ruin someones day" besides losing one BC per head is hardly much anyone needs to grind for isk and get new and go gank some more..
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baltec1
Bat Country
2889
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Posted - 2012.11.19 13:06:00 -
[459] - Quote
McBorsk wrote:Could change Nijara and Uedama to 0.9.
Why? |
Lord Zim
2039
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Posted - 2012.11.19 13:08:00 -
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Newsflash wrote:why should he keep playing for your pleasure.
I'm pretty sure they're receiving more pleasure from him crying about quitting, than from him continuing to fly around. vOv
Newsflash wrote:lastly. you say if people would haul less they wouldnt get ganked. i call bullshit. if everyone would start doing that people would still gank them just because "lol its so funny to blow up highsec carebears and ruin someones day" besides losing one BC per head is hardly much anyone needs to grind for isk and get new and go gank some more..
So apparently you're just focusing on "oh god a freighter was blown up", and completely ignore both the fact that it does still have a cost, and there is still a profit calculation/gamble involved.
But keep on raging, it's funny.
Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2889
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Posted - 2012.11.19 13:10:00 -
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Newsflash wrote:
why should he keep playing for your pleasure. and for all others who also get their jollies from blowing up unarmed ships in high security space? it doesnt matter if concord kills ships that participate in attack. damage is done and risk has been calculated. also it doesnt matter if you have scouts and escorts cos your freighter will still get popped with huge alpha dps.
lastly. you say if people would haul less they wouldnt get ganked. i call bullshit. if everyone would start doing that people would still gank them just because "lol its so funny to blow up highsec carebears and ruin someones day" besides losing one BC per head is hardly much anyone needs to grind for isk and get new and go gank some more..
Given that we dont want to spend the isk on blowing up untanked macks what makes you think we are going to spend a billion on blowing up random freighters for no gain? |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks
Executive Outcomes
482
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Posted - 2012.11.19 13:10:00 -
[462] - Quote
Powers Sa wrote:Double. Wrap. seriously. I moved 10+ full freighter loads this weekend, no issues. Gypsy Band and The Initiative. were around.
This is just a ploy to get more frighters carrying 10bil+ worth of goods.
Touch+¬ powers.
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
baltec1
Bat Country
2889
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Posted - 2012.11.19 13:12:00 -
[463] - Quote
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Powers Sa wrote:Double. Wrap. seriously. I moved 10+ full freighter loads this weekend, no issues. Gypsy Band and The Initiative. were around. This is just a ploy to get more frighters carrying 10bil+ worth of goods. Touch+¬ powers.
Or double wrapped tritainium |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
43
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Posted - 2012.11.19 13:13:00 -
[464] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:FDIC Agent wrote:My corp and I recently encountered a group of suicide gankers. Knowing we needed to move a freighter ourselves we explored several options.
- Make sure the cargo was only a couple (2-3) billion worth in goods.
- Avoid known hot spots according to kill boards.
- Escort the freighter with scouts.
- Bring along a few ECM ships to try and minimize the incoming damage.
- Pay attention to local for anyone that is known to be with suicide ganker gangs.
In the end we still lost the freighter to a log on trap. When the frighter landed on the gate a suicide gang was landing on it from all directions and did not come from any of the other systems, we know because we had scouts in all directions. When they landed they engaged and forced our freighter to jump the gate or die. We tried to ECM some, but they had far too much DPS. And of course the other group was on the other side of the gate to finish off the freighter, logging in as well. So kindly take all your advice on how these things are avoidable and shove them directly up your basement dwelling fat ass! I QUIT! Excuse me, why all that effort when you could have just done 2-3 trips with no escort and not have been ganked? Right this morning I have dual boxed 2 freighters to Jita 3-4 times each, full of stuff and nobody cared to kill them. It was just worthless to kill so little value they carried.
But that would mean, people have to make an effort to be safe. That's not the right way of thinking. Players are entitled to be safe in HS, no matter what! |
Lord Zim
2039
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Posted - 2012.11.19 13:15:00 -
[465] - Quote
Mara Pahrdi wrote:But that would mean, people have to make an effort to be safe. That's not the right way of thinking. Players are entitled to be safe in HS, no matter what!
This is a troll, right?
Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
43
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Posted - 2012.11.19 13:35:00 -
[466] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:But that would mean, people have to make an effort to be safe. That's not the right way of thinking. Players are entitled to be safe in HS, no matter what! This is a troll, right?
No. Just irony and maybe a touch of sarcasm. This thread is turning from "freighters need to be fixed" into "EVE is dying if...". |
Lord Zim
2039
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Posted - 2012.11.19 13:37:00 -
[467] - Quote
Good.
/me puts down the "hisec isn't perfect safety" rant pamphlet.
Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
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CCP Gargant
C C P
C C P Alliance
218
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Posted - 2012.11.19 13:39:00 -
[468] - Quote
I cleaned the thread up a bit. Stay on the correct side of the line, people, or I will be forced to lock the thread.
CCP Gargant | Community Representative |
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Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
R O G U E
660
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Posted - 2012.11.19 14:56:00 -
[469] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Powers Sa wrote:Double. Wrap. seriously. I moved 10+ full freighter loads this weekend, no issues. Gypsy Band and The Initiative. were around. This is just a ploy to get more frighters carrying 10bil+ worth of goods. Touch+¬ powers. Or double wrapped tritainium
this is my new policy. when ever i'm flying around in an ibis or inty it'll have a double wrapped trit. people will think it's plex. i will laugh at them.
Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Kimsemus
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
12
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Posted - 2012.11.19 16:31:00 -
[470] - Quote
Easy workaround:
Set up a courier contract, plastic wrap all the items you want to move in the contract. Then breach the contract, keep the items wrapped, then courier contract the plastic wrapped items.
So you will have Plastic Wrapped items in Plastic Wrap, and that's all a scanner will see. Could be 1 unit of trit, or 500b in BPOs.
Either way makes ganking your valuable freighter much less likely.
I do that, and I also bought a JF, trained the alt to level V, in eschew of using a regular freighter for valuable goods. I also don't AFK move them. The extra EHP helps.
All I'm saying is you can't do anything that makes you 100% immune to death. You can do a LOT of risk management to reduce the chances of death though. Most people don't even take the most basic PRACTICAL steps in eliminating the potential for loss.
Scouting, etc is all well and good, if I have something moderately valuable, I move it the way I mentioned above. If it's VERY valuable, if I can I split it into smaller shipments, or, have a considerable escort, including logi. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10369
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Posted - 2012.11.19 16:43:00 -
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I wonder how long it will take before Enderailen becomes a standard landing spot for JFs trying to bypass the whole Niarja-Uedama-Urlen triangle.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Shadowschild
Black Lance
Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2012.11.19 16:54:00 -
[472] - Quote
The answer is simple.
Don't autopilot freighters full of isk. |
Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
1948
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Posted - 2012.11.19 16:55:00 -
[473] - Quote
Mara Pahrdi wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:FDIC Agent wrote:My corp and I recently encountered a group of suicide gankers. Knowing we needed to move a freighter ourselves we explored several options.
- Make sure the cargo was only a couple (2-3) billion worth in goods.
- Avoid known hot spots according to kill boards.
- Escort the freighter with scouts.
- Bring along a few ECM ships to try and minimize the incoming damage.
- Pay attention to local for anyone that is known to be with suicide ganker gangs.
In the end we still lost the freighter to a log on trap. When the frighter landed on the gate a suicide gang was landing on it from all directions and did not come from any of the other systems, we know because we had scouts in all directions. When they landed they engaged and forced our freighter to jump the gate or die. We tried to ECM some, but they had far too much DPS. And of course the other group was on the other side of the gate to finish off the freighter, logging in as well. So kindly take all your advice on how these things are avoidable and shove them directly up your basement dwelling fat ass! I QUIT! Excuse me, why all that effort when you could have just done 2-3 trips with no escort and not have been ganked? Right this morning I have dual boxed 2 freighters to Jita 3-4 times each, full of stuff and nobody cared to kill them. It was just worthless to kill so little value they carried. But that would mean, people have to make an effort to be safe. That's not the right way of thinking. Players are entitled to be safe in HS, no matter what!
In no way am I advocating things need to be made safer in high sec, but it sounds like the guy and his buddies did put forth a lot of effort to transport a couple billion in stuff. In one reply to his post one of you ask why did he go through all that effort and in the next another implied they didn't put forth any effort. So which one is it? I laugh at the autopilot afk freighters being ganked, but the ones who actually did make a genuine effort to do it right still getting killed is a bit disheartening.
In all honestly it sounds like freighter ganking is a very rapid growing trend and people are no longer targeting high value targets, but just ganking to gank. Profit be damned.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Ghazu
284
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Posted - 2012.11.19 16:57:00 -
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We had more dudes or something.
http://www.minerbumping.com/ |
Mire Stoude
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.11.19 17:02:00 -
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These people who are losing freighters aren't 2 week old newbies. If they have been around long enough to afford a freighter (and fill it up with nice stuff) they should know of the dangers of Eve. |
Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
1948
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Posted - 2012.11.19 17:11:00 -
[476] - Quote
Mire Stoude wrote:These people who are losing freighters aren't 2 week old newbies. If they have been around long enough to afford a freighter (and fill it up with nice stuff) they should know of the dangers of Eve.
Maybe I'm too old, but two billion in stuff that requires a freighter to move doesn't exactly sound like nice stuff. 
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
R O G U E
663
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Posted - 2012.11.19 17:12:00 -
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Tippia wrote:I wonder how long it will take before Enderailen becomes a standard landing spot for JFs trying to bypass the whole Niarja-Uedama-Urlen triangle.
i wonder how long every plastic wrapped hauling freighter is popped on the off chance it's worth something.
Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy
Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.11.19 17:18:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Riddick Liddell wrote:
It isn't about EHP. It's about bump mechanics. Speaking of Hello Kittie, not like Bumping someone to death isn't as fruity as it gets.
What are you talking about? This thread isn't about bumping at all it is about Freighter Ganking.
Ugghh just lost all respect for you here. I hope your trolling and not that stupid to understand how they are doing it. |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
188
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Posted - 2012.11.19 17:19:00 -
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Q_Q post again. Holy crap why ? because you lost something  Its eve online not WoW deal with it. Stop making this QQ post. People please stop it. You will not getting your stuff back. Or "buff" high sec because its "save". Its not.
End discusion topic /c |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10369
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Posted - 2012.11.19 17:34:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:i wonder how long every plastic wrapped hauling freighter is popped on the off chance it's worth something. That will depend on how many start to double-wrap even nigh-worthless stuff (on the scale of things). If no-one does that, wraps just signal that you're carrying something valuable, at which point it'll be worth the 50/50-gamble on making it drop.
GǪand by the looks of things so far, it's more a case of the latter: it's far more likely to be valuable and people like to gamble every now and then.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
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