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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2012.11.20 03:04:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Ocih wrote:Evade is Evade. CCP can decide what it means. I don't have any say on that. Evading is evading, yes, and it would be against the TOS. What is happening here is not evading, so I suggest you refrain from howling about how what's being done is "against the TOS" in future when you've no basis for said allegation.
You keep quoting out the part about removing Auto Pilot. Why is that?
You also quoted out the part about bumping to 200 km to get clear of the gate guns.
This would be more fun if you looked like Kimberly Guilfoyle but with your ugly mug it's just you squirming and not very pretty. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1951
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Posted - 2012.11.20 03:07:00 -
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A couple questions about the freighter being bumped for two hours:
1. Was the ship on auto pilot? 2. Was the freighter aggressed to keep it from logging out? 3. What was the value of the cargo? 4. Is here an API verified kill mail? 5. Why hasn't CCP removed rig penalties? 6. Did the freighter pilot attempt to convo the bumpers?
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1068
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Posted - 2012.11.20 03:12:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Judging on what I know, you guys don't bump to prevent a warp though. You bump to evade concord and that's a TOS violation.
No we actually do bump to prevent a warp & are happy to aggress if the target logs off to keep them in system for another 15 minutes. Makes me wonder where you people get such hilariously wrong information. Do you make it up? Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
284
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Posted - 2012.11.20 03:26:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Ocih wrote:Judging on what I know, you guys don't bump to prevent a warp though. You bump to evade concord and that's a TOS violation.
No we actually do bump to prevent a warp & are happy to aggress if the target logs off to keep them in system for another 15 minutes. Makes me wonder where you people get such hilariously wrong information. Do you make it up?
Test server made it up.
I couldn't bump a freighter on Buckingham. I used a Condor, I used a Phoon. Thhey bounced off and the providence freighter was not impacted by bumps.
Everything I am writing is based on a test server test.
If the test server has different mechanics, that's some sleezy stuff. I don't quite think that's the case though. I am assuming the Test server isn't a sleezy rope a dope to get people to make mistakes. I am assuming the Bump Mechanic is a red herring for something else. Because while I am certain CCP have nothing to gain from playing up false mechanics, I am certain Goons would have no problem playing that game. |
Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
254
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Posted - 2012.11.20 03:30:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Anyway, in the previous thread I noticed somebody mentioned their freighter getting bumped for two hours. Seriously, why not just log off? The way logging off works these days, it's possible to keep that freighter in space until downtime by simply suiciding an ibis into it every 15 minutes. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1069
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Posted - 2012.11.20 03:31:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Ocih wrote:Judging on what I know, you guys don't bump to prevent a warp though. You bump to evade concord and that's a TOS violation.
No we actually do bump to prevent a warp & are happy to aggress if the target logs off to keep them in system for another 15 minutes. Makes me wonder where you people get such hilariously wrong information. Do you make it up? Test server made it up. I couldn't bump a freighter on Buckingham. I used a Condor, I used a Phoon. Thhey bounced off and the providence freighter was not impacted by bumps.
You used the wrong type of ships. The Condor is just too small & unable to fit the sort of MWD that makes it effective at bumping a freighter. The Typhoon is large, but can't gather the neccesary speed for the job. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Aggressive Nutmeg
265
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Posted - 2012.11.20 03:44:00 -
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Here's how it works in real life: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFGmR99-D0k Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
284
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Posted - 2012.11.20 04:30:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Ocih wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Ocih wrote:Judging on what I know, you guys don't bump to prevent a warp though. You bump to evade concord and that's a TOS violation.
No we actually do bump to prevent a warp & are happy to aggress if the target logs off to keep them in system for another 15 minutes. Makes me wonder where you people get such hilariously wrong information. Do you make it up? Test server made it up. I couldn't bump a freighter on Buckingham. I used a Condor, I used a Phoon. Thhey bounced off and the providence freighter was not impacted by bumps. You used the wrong type of ships. The Condor is just too small & unable to fit the sort of MWD that makes it effective at bumping a freighter. The Typhoon is large, but can't gather the neccesary speed for the job.
Had the phoon at 2000 M/S
It was down last check. Only other ship I can try is a 100MWD fit cruiser to get overdrive thrust but that still doesn't explain why a 2K phoon had no effect on the freighter. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1951
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Posted - 2012.11.20 04:53:00 -
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Try a nano mach.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
91
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Posted - 2012.11.20 04:57:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Lorna Mood wrote:Lashenadeeka wrote:Speed is squared, mass is not. Hence bumping is effective. We're leaving physics out of it since Eve is not a simulation. But... you couldn't divert a Jumbo Jet by flying a Cessna close to it. That's the point. I beg to differ. I have a feeling I could divert a Jumbo Jet quite effectively by flying into it with a Cessna. I can even predict the direction said Jet will go after the "bump".
If this was a tactic actually used in RL, then the Jumbo Jets would be armed with missiles to pop their aggressor with. CCP - despite the freighters being 10 city blocks in size - fails to provide them with any chance of defending themselves.
CCP only has good thoughts for massive alliances - the little guy gets to sit under the pipe.
Watched the Goons gank a Charon freighter today. They bumped it 500Km to get it out of range of gate gun protection. Sounds like an exploit to me. |
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Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
175
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Posted - 2012.11.20 04:59:00 -
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Lashenadeeka wrote:Speed is squared, mass is not. Hence bumping is effective.
Trying to talk about the numbers to make it effective when there is no adequate explanation for why it happens in the first place is kind of pointless. You can't really justify why ramming another ship doesn't simply do damage, bumping makes as much sense as max velocity. |
youaredumb
Never Ignorant Gettin' Goals Accomplished
0
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Posted - 2012.11.20 05:00:00 -
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Ocih wrote:CCP, Remove Auto Pilot.
Goons dual Box an AFK pilot in Uedama to stop an AFK pilot from flying through Uedama. While they run Anoms in Deklein, the single account player is supposed to ATK jump his freighter through 18 systems. Rather than get in to the whole AFK war, force ATK for both of them. If they want to ATK camp freighters in Uedama, they can. ATK. On the gate.
Adding insult to injury I can picture an AFK Fleet bonus Alt sitting in Deklein while his alt monitors for Auto Pilot freighters in Uedama.
I'd also like a rare Implant to add resist to Hull. Give it to Null sec only Incursion runners. One per Incursion, 50% drop rate. Anyone in HS crazy enough to buy it, go for it.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
44
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Posted - 2012.11.20 05:26:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:If only freighters allowed for fun and compelling conflicts, for both the aggressors and defenders. Unfortunately any conflict that centers around a freighter is it dying it a couple seconds, hardly any time to actually defend it, or the freighter simply logging/avoiding the danger completely. Yes, but the problem is not with the freighter. The problem are high sec agression mechanics.
If you want to be safe by highsec standards, then currently the only counter to this is to make the gank unprofitable by not putting to much value into the cargohold. |
TharOkha
0asis Group
140
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Posted - 2012.11.20 05:34:00 -
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Well if bumping is used in combat, i dont have a problem with that. But if it is used just for lulz, i think it is pure griefing (in case of Freighter bumping, as they are superslow to stop and realign). GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
284
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Posted - 2012.11.20 05:55:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Lorna Mood wrote:Lashenadeeka wrote:Speed is squared, mass is not. Hence bumping is effective. We're leaving physics out of it since Eve is not a simulation. But... you couldn't divert a Jumbo Jet by flying a Cessna close to it. That's the point. I beg to differ. I have a feeling I could divert a Jumbo Jet quite effectively by flying into it with a Cessna. I can even predict the direction said Jet will go after the "bump". If this was a tactic actually used in RL, then the Jumbo Jets would be armed with missiles to pop their aggressor with. CCP - despite the freighters being 10 city blocks in size - fails to provide them with any chance of defending themselves. CCP only has good thoughts for massive alliances - the little guy gets to sit under the pipe. Watched the Goons gank a Charon freighter today. They bumped it 500Km to get it out of range of gate gun protection. Sounds like an exploit to me.
I don't like to think like this but everything points in that direction.
There are two sets of rules in EVE and you better know what set you are supposed to follow.
You can change my name to Toby315 now CCP. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1073
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Posted - 2012.11.20 06:47:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Ocih wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Ocih wrote:Judging on what I know, you guys don't bump to prevent a warp though. You bump to evade concord and that's a TOS violation.
No we actually do bump to prevent a warp & are happy to aggress if the target logs off to keep them in system for another 15 minutes. Makes me wonder where you people get such hilariously wrong information. Do you make it up? Test server made it up. I couldn't bump a freighter on Buckingham. I used a Condor, I used a Phoon. Thhey bounced off and the providence freighter was not impacted by bumps. You used the wrong type of ships. The Condor is just too small & unable to fit the sort of MWD that makes it effective at bumping a freighter. The Typhoon is large, but can't gather the neccesary speed for the job. Had the phoon at 2000 M/S It was down last check. Only other ship I can try is a 100MWD fit cruiser to get overdrive thrust but that still doesn't explain why a 2K phoon had no effect on the freighter.
The Typhoon is still fairly small. Try a Machariel. It's twice the size, has more mass & moves faster by default. A 100MN SFI is also great.
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
195
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Posted - 2012.11.20 06:56:00 -
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Bump bump
www.facebook.com/RazorAlliance |
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
14
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Posted - 2012.11.20 06:57:00 -
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always the same no-life morons trying to drive the discussion into their black and white scenarios.]
and yes it IS stupid that you can bump freighters with much smaller ships and part of why this game is considered to be such a joke with all the people defending dumb mechanics like this in a futile attempt to preserve the endangered douchebag lifestyle that has become so popular in EVE due to the fact that no skill or risk is required. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10374
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Posted - 2012.11.20 07:03:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:I don't know.
If real physics applied then the frigs would just bounce off the larger ships No. If real physics applied, then the frigs would slam into the larger ships, releasing enough energy to rival a nuclear strike and blow a very large hole straight through that ship, killing everyone on-board as it blows up in turn. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
271
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Posted - 2012.11.20 07:08:00 -
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Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. You crash anything into a freighter it's going to effect it a bit. If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if i'm online. BUDDY TRIALS AVAILABLE - 21days plus big ISK bonus and starting assistance |
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Buck Futz
Suddenly Violence Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
119
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Posted - 2012.11.20 07:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:I don't know.
If real physics applied then the frigs would just bounce off the larger ships No. If real physics applied, then the frigs would slam into the larger ships, releasing enough energy to rival a nuclear strike and blow a very large hole straight through that ship, killing everyone on-board as it blows up in turn.
I think they meant 'carebear physics' that don't involve freighters getting killed in highsec, not ''real physics'.
I didn't realize that the level of dissatisfaction with the current physics model was so directly proportional to Exhumer EHP.
But I suppose I could have guessed....
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Lord Zim
2044
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Posted - 2012.11.20 07:15:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Ocih wrote:Evade is Evade. CCP can decide what it means. I don't have any say on that. Evading is evading, yes, and it would be against the TOS. What is happening here is not evading, so I suggest you refrain from howling about how what's being done is "against the TOS" in future when you've no basis for said allegation. You keep quoting out the part about removing Auto Pilot. Why is that? Because it's utterly irrelevant.
Ocih wrote:You also quoted out the part about bumping to 200 km to get clear of the gate guns. Because it's utterly irrelevant.
Ocih wrote:This would be more fun if you looked like Kimberly Guilfoyle but with your ugly mug it's just you squirming and not very pretty. The only one squirming here is you, as you completely misinterpret the whole situation, and incorrectly invoke "hurr TOS violation BAN THESE PEOPLE!!!". Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
232
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Posted - 2012.11.20 07:22:00 -
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Fabulous Rod wrote:always the same no-life morons trying to drive the discussion into their black and white scenarios.]
and yes it IS stupid that you can bump freighters with much smaller ships and part of why this game is considered to be such a joke with all the people defending dumb mechanics like this in a futile attempt to preserve the endangered douchebag lifestyle that has become so popular in EVE due to the fact that no skill or risk is required.
That's one I use all the time when I talk about EVE Online. I tell people how I lost this 2 billion ISK ship and how you can make 12 mill/hr in High sec as long as you have all Level 5 skills.
When they ask how I lost it, I tell them I got bumped.
I don't understand why they aren't playing yet. I sent them an invite... R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Ghazu
284
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Posted - 2012.11.20 07:23:00 -
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Ioci wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:always the same no-life morons trying to drive the discussion into their black and white scenarios.]
and yes it IS stupid that you can bump freighters with much smaller ships and part of why this game is considered to be such a joke with all the people defending dumb mechanics like this in a futile attempt to preserve the endangered douchebag lifestyle that has become so popular in EVE due to the fact that no skill or risk is required. That's one I use all the time when I talk about EVE Online. I tell people how I lost this 2 billion ISK ship and how you can make 12 mill/hr in High sec as long as you have all Level 5 skills. When they ask how I lost it, I tell them I got bumped. I don't understand why they aren't playing yet. I sent them an invite... Oh so you lost a freighter? http://www.minerbumping.com/ |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
232
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Posted - 2012.11.20 07:25:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: The only one squirming here is you, as you completely misinterpret the whole situation, and incorrectly invoke "hurr TOS violation BAN THESE PEOPLE!!!".
But I have a whole train of little goon pets chasing me around the forums trying to keep up to me.
Throw some bread crumbs on the ground, watch the pigeons come. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Lord Zim
2044
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Posted - 2012.11.20 07:26:00 -
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Ioci wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:always the same no-life morons trying to drive the discussion into their black and white scenarios.]
and yes it IS stupid that you can bump freighters with much smaller ships and part of why this game is considered to be such a joke with all the people defending dumb mechanics like this in a futile attempt to preserve the endangered douchebag lifestyle that has become so popular in EVE due to the fact that no skill or risk is required. That's one I use all the time when I talk about EVE Online. I tell people how I lost this 2 billion ISK ship and how you can make 12 mill/hr in High sec as long as you have all Level 5 skills. When they ask how I lost it, I tell them I got bumped. I don't understand why they aren't playing yet. I sent them an invite... Sounds to me like you're just telling them a part of the truth, since your ship can't go kersplode just because you get bumped.
And if you're just making 12 mill/hour in hisec, then you're really, really bad at choosing whatever it is you're doing, you should get that fixed. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
232
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Posted - 2012.11.20 07:26:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Ioci wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:always the same no-life morons trying to drive the discussion into their black and white scenarios.]
and yes it IS stupid that you can bump freighters with much smaller ships and part of why this game is considered to be such a joke with all the people defending dumb mechanics like this in a futile attempt to preserve the endangered douchebag lifestyle that has become so popular in EVE due to the fact that no skill or risk is required. That's one I use all the time when I talk about EVE Online. I tell people how I lost this 2 billion ISK ship and how you can make 12 mill/hr in High sec as long as you have all Level 5 skills. When they ask how I lost it, I tell them I got bumped. I don't understand why they aren't playing yet. I sent them an invite... Oh so you lost a freighter?
I don't even own a freighter. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
232
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Posted - 2012.11.20 07:29:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Ioci wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:always the same no-life morons trying to drive the discussion into their black and white scenarios.]
and yes it IS stupid that you can bump freighters with much smaller ships and part of why this game is considered to be such a joke with all the people defending dumb mechanics like this in a futile attempt to preserve the endangered douchebag lifestyle that has become so popular in EVE due to the fact that no skill or risk is required. That's one I use all the time when I talk about EVE Online. I tell people how I lost this 2 billion ISK ship and how you can make 12 mill/hr in High sec as long as you have all Level 5 skills. When they ask how I lost it, I tell them I got bumped. I don't understand why they aren't playing yet. I sent them an invite... Sounds to me like you're just telling them a part of the truth, since your ship can't go kersplode just because you get bumped. And if you're just making 12 mill/hour in hisec, then you're really, really bad at choosing whatever it is you're doing, you should get that fixed.
12 mill is average for end game High Sec. You should try it for yourself.
No dual boxing, no pimped out ships. Just a generic T2 fit, run level 4's. Don't believe your own hype. It's pretty low end. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
baltec1
Bat Country
2892
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Posted - 2012.11.20 08:14:00 -
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Was wondering how long it would take before the superbears tried to get another nerf gankers thread going after the last one was locked. |
Ghazu
284
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Posted - 2012.11.20 08:15:00 -
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How did you lose a 2 bil ship to bumping? http://www.minerbumping.com/ |
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