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Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
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Posted - 2012.11.20 02:30:00 -
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This is all about the letter forwarded to CCP.
EVE Online Development Strategy (CSM Edition)
Potentials GÇö people who have never or only briefly subscribed. (90% Shiny, 10% Iteration) Newbies GÇö players with less than a year in the game. (70% Shiny, 30% Iteration) Veterans GÇö players with more than a year in the game. (10% Shiny, 90% Iteration) Bittervets GÇö unsubscribed veterans. (50% Shiny, 50% Iteration)
This is an ALT of a person that has been here since 2007. I have for the most part been active in one form or another. I try my best to be more constructive than bitter. If we do not let you know what is on our minds we do indeed become bitter.
Yes, I want to see more power given to Torfis team towards an effort for some kind of WIS progress. It has been promised for years. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
2087
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Posted - 2012.11.20 04:55:00 -
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Same. I have not yet gotten to the point of flying every ship in EVE, so more space shinies are in my future regardless of new space shinies added to the game.
What I have been looking forward to since I started playing was the ambulation feature. Ambulation was what it was called, not first person shooter mode, not space team fortress, but ambulation: the ability to walk around in stations and sit in a dingy bar making dodgy deals with shady characters.
I look forward to the reintroduction of the Gallente Pleasure Hub. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
The Chronophage
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.11.21 00:58:00 -
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+1 for WiS. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
910
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Posted - 2012.11.21 05:13:00 -
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Man I was just sitting around thinking about how horrible it is that I can't have a dance party in my spaceship game and here you guys are.
I want a fursuit yiff yiff. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1037
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Posted - 2012.11.22 15:03:00 -
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If you want to put forward a business case for WiS using the development strategy template the CSM7 document used, go right ahead.
You'll probably need a bit more substance than 'it would be kewl and awesome' and 'CCP promised us WiS' though. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
98
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Posted - 2012.11.22 22:10:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:If you want to put forward a business case for WiS using the development strategy template the CSM7 document used, go right ahead.
You'll probably need a bit more substance than 'it would be kewl and awesome', 'I'm a paying customer therefore I represent everyone' and 'CCP promised us WiS' though.
One of the biggest barriers for just getting a future customer to try this game is no avatar. Look at almost every bigger MMO out there and you see them. New blood into this game should be reason enough. I am sure you already know this though. Happy holidays.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1046
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Posted - 2012.11.25 09:11:00 -
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'Everyone would play Eve if only we had avatars and CCP would make bazillions of dollars' was exactly the thinking behind Incarna. Did it result in a massive influx of new players because they suddenly had human avatars or was Eve largely ignored by gamers post-Incarna just as it had been before? Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
902
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Posted - 2012.11.25 09:48:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:'Everyone would play Eve if only we had avatars and CCP would make bazillions of dollars' was exactly the thinking behind Incarna. Did it result in a massive influx of new players because they suddenly had human avatars or was Eve largely ignored by gamers post-Incarna just as it had been before? Actually I thought the thinking behind Incarna was 'Greed is Good' and that the player base were idots Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
2064
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Posted - 2012.11.25 19:38:00 -
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*SPOILER ALERT*
I was really mad about what happened to Shepherd Book in 'Serenity'. CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
102
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Posted - 2012.11.25 21:02:00 -
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Yeah, I heard ya the first time, months ago Don't get me wrong. I appreciate yalls hard work. I just sometimes think of the big picture down the road differently is all. Always welcome. |
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Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
115
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Posted - 2012.11.26 00:46:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:'[..] Incarna. Did it result in a massive influx of new players because they suddenly had human avatars or was Eve largely ignored by gamers post-Incarna just as it had been before? The last stage of Incarna (and im my opinion the best and most important stage), multiplayer enviroments, was never released, which makes me wonder what would happen when they do release those. Contraband Smuggling: Player Assisted Customs |
Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
102
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Posted - 2012.11.26 01:26:00 -
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[/quote]The last stage of Incarna (and im my opinion the best and most important stage), multiplayer enviroments, was never released, which makes me wonder what would happen when they do release those.[/quote]
I can't agree more. Everything before has not worked... |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
589
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Posted - 2012.11.26 05:19:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:]The last stage of Incarna (and im my opinion the best and most important stage), multiplayer enviroments, was never released, which makes me wonder what would happen when they do release those.
Newsflash: Incarna as anything more than an avatar for CCP to sell accessories for didn't exist. I'm not just talking not implemented, I'm talking never designed, never planned, never advanced beyond the "hey wouldn't it be cool if _______ " phase. That's why current CCP has had to effectively start over from scratch with figuring out just what WIS should even be.
It's important to remember, especially when you start talking about how WIS would be a revelation and bring in so many new subscriptions and whatever else. This feature, which you've all pumped up in your minds as The Next Big Thing was never anything but a vessel for microtransactions to CCP. |
Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
104
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Posted - 2012.11.26 21:38:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Che Biko wrote:]The last stage of Incarna (and im my opinion the best and most important stage), multiplayer enviroments, was never released, which makes me wonder what would happen when they do release those. Newsflash: Incarna as anything more than an avatar for CCP to sell accessories for didn't exist. I'm not just talking not implemented, I'm talking never designed, never planned, never advanced beyond the "hey wouldn't it be cool if _______ " phase. That's why current CCP has had to effectively start over from scratch with figuring out just what WIS should even be. It's important to remember, especially when you start talking about how WIS would be a revelation and bring in so many new subscriptions and whatever else. This feature, which you've all pumped up in your minds as The Next Big Thing was never anything but a vessel for microtransactions to CCP.
Everything always has to start as an idea. They actually had some pretty cool concepts I liked in the beginning. Contraband, Store fronts were a couple off the top of my head. I agree with you that game play is important but ya gotta start somewhere. I think many new players myself included have a hard time associating with only a ship and no avatar in the beginning. If I did not come here to join friends I already knew from a gaming community I may have left as well. Even just the social area would have been a step in the right direction IMO. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
118
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Posted - 2012.11.26 22:51:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Incarna as anything more than an avatar for CCP to sell accessories for didn't exist. I'm not just talking not implemented, I'm talking never designed, never planned, never advanced beyond the "hey wouldn't it be cool if _______ " phase. That's why current CCP has had to effectively start over from scratch with figuring out just what WIS should even be.
It's important to remember, especially when you start talking about how WIS would be a revelation and bring in so many new subscriptions and whatever else. This feature, which you've all pumped up in your minds as The Next Big Thing was never anything but a vessel for microtransactions to CCP. The "it will bring in new players" thing wasn't mine, but CCP's. I'm still thinking that may be right, and wether or not Incarna's last stage never existed does not really change that, so I don't see the importance.
And about that "it never existed" thing, you kinda contradict it by writing "start over", but could you please explain why CCP would spend years and man hours creating devblogs, video's, prototypes, demo's and Jita Riots to pretend they were working on an expansion nobody wanted? Contraband Smuggling: Player Assisted Customs |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
2119
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Posted - 2012.11.27 00:28:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Newsflash: Incarna as anything more than an avatar for CCP to sell accessories for didn't exist. I'm not just talking not implemented, I'm talking never designed, never planned, never advanced beyond the "hey wouldn't it be cool if _______ " phase
That's right. Ambulation was never designed, never planned, never advanced beyond a demo of interiors and clothing and emote interaction, a teaser showing exotic dancers and capsuleers playing Slay, and suggestions about Establishments where people could trade contraband GÇ£off-gridGÇ¥. Sure looks like a fair whack of planning and design has already gone into this feature.
But then I am only a hisec carebear. I have no idea how important it is for CCP to "fix" nullsec which is so badly "broken" right now. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Anya Solette
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.11.27 01:45:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Newsflash: Incarna as anything more than an avatar for CCP to sell accessories for didn't exist. I'm not just talking not implemented, I'm talking never designed, never planned, never advanced beyond the "hey wouldn't it be cool if _______ " phase That's right. Ambulation was never designed, never planned, never advanced beyond a demo of interiors and clothing and emote interaction, a teaser showing exotic dancers and capsuleers playing Slay, and suggestions about Establishments where people could trade contraband GÇ£off-gridGÇ¥. Sure looks like a fair whack of planning and design has already gone into this feature. But then I am only a hisec carebear. I have no idea how important it is for CCP to "fix" nullsec which is so badly "broken" right now.
Ambulation is all well and good and I really hope they pull it off that way I can do more than just sit on a couch and watch the same crap scroll by on the screen or walk up a ramp to my ship and back down, but right now there are bigger things on the table than walking in stations.
They really do need to fix null, it is broken as hell. Sov fights are not fun, you cannot inflict any permanent damage on an enemy, other than just demoralizing them by convincing them that their victories in fights do not matter. You can't permanently destroy their outposts, you cant reduce the productivity of their systems while just on a roam. There is no real reason to hold sov other than for the sake of "this space is mine". You take space to get income to pay sov bills which go up every time you take more space requiring more income to keep your head above water. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
598
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Posted - 2012.11.27 01:46:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote: Sure looks like a fair whack of planning and design has already gone into this feature.
And yet the current group of people had to literally start over and figure out just what the hell WIS would actually BE. I wonder why that is? Could it be that you're overestimating a video with two static shots of a table that doesn't even show characters actually DOING anything but standing over a table? Nah, can't be. They totally had an entire valuable addition to the game that isn't just rooms and emotes, it just so happens that they spirited away with all of the plans of this and left the current group with nothing.
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
653
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Posted - 2012.11.27 09:54:00 -
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I've removed some rumor mongering from this thread. Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1900
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Posted - 2012.12.25 21:06:00 -
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I am an angry vet / bitter-vet (Depending how the expansions go) with active subs (75% of my accounts have been unsubbed since the shelving of WiS) who's been around since 06 and I support this OP.
Where I would like to see development efforts invested are:
75% WiS & W.0P 20% Jesus features! 4% Shiney - New graphics, more clothes, lingerie etc. 1% FiS - Capitals & Supers
Sell World of Darkness or get it over with in 2013.
Seriously, nobody cares about Twilight Online when we could get both FiS and WiS expansions and meaningful, bug free content twice a year.
In terms of some framework or ideas around meaningful WiS gameplay, I've started and am indeed busy with allot of WiS ideas in my PI 3.0 proposal due to be posted at some stage. For those who are interested, you can read some of them in the PI 2.1 pdf document you can find here. Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
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Zol Interbottom
Nanotrasen Inc
15
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Posted - 2012.12.26 00:02:00 -
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Seleene wrote:*SPOILER ALERT*
I was really mad about what happened to Shepherd Book in 'Serenity'.
agree Nivin Sajjad > we fly perpetually networked, neural interfaced spaceships yet can't communicate coordinates to each other without physically passing back and forth little pieces of paper. it's weird |
Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
116
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Posted - 2012.12.26 01:14:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:Seleene wrote:*SPOILER ALERT*
I was really mad about what happened to Shepherd Book in 'Serenity'. agree
I feel the love Any blogs this year about future plans out of our pods? Team avatar! |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
224
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Posted - 2012.12.26 02:25:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Sell World of Darkness or get it over with in 2013.
Seriously, nobody cares about Twilight Online when we could get both FiS and WiS expansions and meaningful, bug free content twice a year. Actually, I'm quite looking forward to WoD, and I think CCP should, in theory, be the developer best suited for the job, as they already have a dark universe where players can portray near-immortal demigods that gradually, or not so gradually, lose their humanity. In fact, I might leave this universe for WoD when it comes out, at least for a while. And calling WoD Twilight Online is inappropriate, IMO.
I actually think that without WoD development, WiS development will be slower. Contraband Smuggling: Player Assisted Customs |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1203
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Posted - 2012.12.26 08:22:00 -
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Walking On Planets = Dust.
Why re-invent the wheel? Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1902
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Posted - 2012.12.26 08:30:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Walking On Planets = Dust.
Why re-invent the wheel?
You'd like to think Walking on Planets = Console only FPS
Some of us have other ideas about that....
Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1902
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Posted - 2012.12.26 08:33:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Sell World of Darkness or get it over with in 2013.
Seriously, nobody cares about Twilight Online when we could get both FiS and WiS expansions and meaningful, bug free content twice a year. Actually, I'm quite looking forward to WoD, and I think CCP should, in theory, be the developer best suited for the job, as they already have a dark universe where players can portray near-immortal demigods that gradually, or not so gradually, lose their humanity. In fact, I might leave this universe for WoD when it comes out, at least for a while. And calling WoD Twilight Online is inappropriate, IMO. I actually think that without WoD development, WiS development will be slower.
Pray tell / link.... with all that development time that's gone into WoD... have we received or witnessed any playable version of it in the past few years?
Or just some fly by trailers?
Not sure about you... but I hardly call fly by trailers faster development....
Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1224
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Posted - 2012.12.26 11:42:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Walking On Planets = Dust.
Why re-invent the wheel? You'd like to think Walking on Planets = Console only FPS Some of us have other ideas about that.... I'd like to think that CCP, having spent millions of dollars on developing a way of walking on planets in the New Eden universe, wouldn't then go and spend a whole load more money on developing another way of walking on planets in the New Eden universe. I'd like to think that CCP are investing their finances wisely on innovation and new things for players to do.
If Dust flops horribly, there may be planetside (heh) activities that can be salvaged from the wreckage and incorporated into WiS gameplay. Until then, CCP would be better off focusing their Avatar-based efforts on the in-station activities they have been promising for the last 6 years, and making good the scar on their name that was Incarna, rather than running off to chase the latest shiny thing. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
230
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Posted - 2012.12.26 22:20:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Not sure about you... but I hardly call fly by trailers faster development.... True, things seemed to have slowed down, but (some) WoD tech can be used for WiS. Right now, CCP seems to think that EVE players are not rooting for WiS. They do know there are people rooting for WoD, so I think that will likely contribute a reason for the development of technology needed for WiS. Contraband Smuggling: Player Assisted Customs |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1224
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Posted - 2012.12.26 22:36:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Not sure about you... but I hardly call fly by trailers faster development.... True, things seemed to have slowed down, but (some) WoD tech can be used for WiS. Right now, CCP seems to think that EVE players are not rooting for WiS. They do know there are people rooting for WoD, so I think that will likely contribute a reason for the development of technology needed for WiS. CCP haven't exactly provided much encouragement for the general Eve player to 'root for WIS'.
Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1055
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Posted - 2012.12.27 03:36:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Che Biko wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Not sure about you... but I hardly call fly by trailers faster development.... True, things seemed to have slowed down, but (some) WoD tech can be used for WiS. Right now, CCP seems to think that EVE players are not rooting for WiS. They do know there are people rooting for WoD, so I think that will likely contribute a reason for the development of technology needed for WiS. CCP haven't exactly provided much encouragement for the general Eve player to 'root for WIS'. I just thought the lesson was don't believe any long term planning CCP says it has. The dream of WiS has been around so long now and nothing but waste has ever occurred.
So I just take any statement from CCP, when they say they are putting off a feature due to blah blah as you might as well call that feature dead for a period of time from 6 months to the final trump (The later being the most likely) Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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