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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.29 19:11:00 -
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Douglas Whyte wrote:There other event's that happen in low/null that allow a player to make more isk.
The problem is you need friends, there are some things you can do alone, however if you go into null/low with the mentality to do all the things you do in hi-sec, then you're not going to make much more.
Not to mention... MINING IS A JOKE. Really I don't understand why ANYONE does it besides bots. There's just no isk there. You make what 10m an hour? maybe 20m in null? I can make more running lvl 3's. Granted... risk vs reward.... but when I can run lvl 4's and come out with more mineral's per hour then a hi-sec miner.... it just makes no sense of why do it. Not true, the only difference is you can't do it afk (which is often times untrue in null sec), You don't need friends, in fact just yesterday I saw 2 mackinaws and a dominix mining in a dead end low sec system, I warped in on them to see about some cheap kills and they all had warp core stabs and starting warping away all at the exact same time. Guy is still there mining, he doesn't have a scout alt or anything, he just mines.
I made more isk doing exploration in low sec than in hisec.
I know people in FW who do level 4 missions constantly in low sec without any trouble.
Hell people even do level 5's without that much of a problem.
So obviously isk/hr isn't the issue here. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |
Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.29 19:23:00 -
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I was thinking about a way they could implement this without a total **** storm brewing. It would have to come over several patches over a long period of time, but systems that would be the "Neutral Zone" between empires would slowly have there security status lowered till they hit there desired status. Any systems that might go from low to high would be done in the opposite fashion. Ideas For Drone Improvement Repourpose Deep Space Scanner Probes |
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.29 19:48:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:I was thinking about a way they could implement this without a total **** storm brewing. It would have to come over several patches over a long period of time, but systems that would be the "Neutral Zone" between empires would slowly have there security status lowered till they hit there desired status. Any systems that might go from low to high would be done in the opposite fashion. I don't think it matters if you do it all at once or not, announce it at the start of when the devs start announcing features and promise that no systems will have their sec status changed, only new ones will be added.
Also that doesn't make any sense, why would a system that was secure, now not be secure? If it were new territory that would make sense, the new regions should be added first, and the stargates crossing those regions to be separated would see a slow destabilization, something the players can watch, like a wormhole effect inside the stargate.
So players are aware time is running out and can get a feel for and understand the new zones. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |
Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
1077
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Posted - 2013.05.29 20:43:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Commander Ted...
I took the liberty of bringing this subject up at the low-sec round table the other day at Fanfest (because i very much enjoy the concept for largely the same reasons you do). Some of the DEVs adored the idea and expressed that they had toyed with it as a concept. Other DEVs were more lukewarm. The general sentiment among them though was that such a change now would be "too much of a shock to the system" and that they probably won't do it unless they hypothetically make a new game.
HOWEVER... the DEVs did express a desire to make low-sec both desirable for those who wish a more... unsavory... lifestyle without making it too attractive to null-seccers. They basically "want low-sec to be like the ghetto of a city... lots of alleyways, corners, and blind spots that the locals will know and use against massive groups that are used to using main battle tanks on open battlefields" (these are more or less their exact words, not mine). Unfortunately no solid ideas were expressed about HOW they would achieve this... but this is what they WANT to do.
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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.29 21:31:00 -
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The shock to the system thing confuses me. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |
Romvex
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Posted - 2013.06.09 20:41:00 -
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
2576
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Posted - 2013.06.09 21:06:00 -
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Commander Ted wrote:The shock to the system thing confuses me. My take on it is that they don't want all but one or two high-sec islands to end up like Solitude region. The sad fact is, most people will congregate where the most people and business is done just because it's easier.
Again... I like the idea. However, given the reservations presented by the DEVs I can see that many of them see such a change as unnecessarily painful and/or bad for overall, long term, in-game market stability. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Commander Ted
Bad Security.
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Posted - 2013.06.10 03:09:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote: My take on it is that they don't want all but one or two high-sec islands to end up like Solitude region. The sad fact is, most people will congregate where the most people and business is done just because it's easier.
Again... I like the idea. However, given the reservations presented by the DEVs I can see that many of them see such a change as unnecessarily painful and/or bad for overall, long term, in-game market stability.
People do congregate in one spot but that is only possible for a number of reasons CCP's economist said himself that the empires were starting homgenize in population due to lack of space but Jita was still the center of everything, and what happened to Solitude couldn't happen to the empires because the empires actually have reasons that make them worth going to over the others.
I would say the problems with this idea are mostly short term adaptation and in the long term people will find that it is better. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
2576
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Posted - 2013.06.10 04:10:00 -
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Commander Ted wrote:I would say the problems with this idea are mostly short term adaptation and in the long term people will find that it is better. Oh... I agree completely. But how painful that adaptation and for how long it would last is something to be a little concerned about. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Commander Ted
Bad Security.
713
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Posted - 2013.06.10 04:46:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Commander Ted wrote:I would say the problems with this idea are mostly short term adaptation and in the long term people will find that it is better. Oh... I agree completely. But how painful that adaptation and for how long it would last is something to be a little concerned about.
Well I am sure there could be a way to make this less painful, like a few free interbus shipments maybe? Everyone in new eden will get 3 vouchers to move say, 900km3 of materials from any high security space system to another hi-sec that last one month. Also they could get 5 vouchers to move any completely assembled/fitted ship regardless of cargo.
Also the number of Hisec-hisec wormhole connections could be increased by maybe 300% and slowly ratcheted down as time went on to help easy people into the transition. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band
540
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Posted - 2013.06.10 05:17:00 -
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Commander Ted wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Commander Ted wrote:The dangers will be just as great Not if more Navy spawns for every illegal attacker. I didn't give details on my middle-sec idea, and you just assumed it wouldn't work. They already do with my faction warfare case, even then it was one dude camping an entire station. The answer is bring more logi still and you can tank them. If every logi has stuff shooting them the logi will be repped by the other logi. Not to mention you can pop faction ships like their nothing. Nothing you can do to make the faction navy effective security short of making them only slightly weaker than concord. So in effect the noobs will still get popped when they jump in, anyone who runs missions and thinks their safe can still get ganked by tier 3's or a couple of bombers, and its really just neutered low sec pvp. No pirates would be ever willing to fight back against a real fleet because as the aggressors they have a crazy disadvantage, so the pirates with their logistics will see the fleet ahead of time and just dock up creating blue balls for all. I never said anything about the HP of the faction ships. I'm not suggesting that the standard factions spawns are what you get, I'm suggesting that what you get would be balanced for middle-sec and classified as faction spawns.
My current idea is to have every attacker cause three navy ships to spawn (similar to CONCORD): a tackle frigate, an EWAR cruiser, and a high-DPS battleship. Their power and toughness would scale with sec status, being nearly impossible to beat solo in 0.6. This would prevent people from using the "bring more ships" strategy, especially if all of the NPCs who spawn could focus-fire on one of the attackers at a time.
To prevent lag, larger groups of attackers could have a scaled NPC response, with the same net power and toughness but with fewer total ships.
This idea would give a solo player room to defend themself--even if the ganker could beat the NPCs OR the solo player, it wouold be more difficult to beat both at the same time. Anyone who goes out in a reasonably combat-fit ship should be pretty much completely safe in 0.6, and fairly safe even in 0.5. Some highly skilled players could even roam around 0.4 alone and defend themselves. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. |
Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.10 06:10:00 -
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Commander Ted wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Commander Ted wrote:I would say the problems with this idea are mostly short term adaptation and in the long term people will find that it is better. Oh... I agree completely. But how painful that adaptation and for how long it would last is something to be a little concerned about. Well I am sure there could be a way to make this less painful. That's why I said slowly change the sec status of the effected systems over the course of several patches. Ideas for Drone ImprovementTwitter Account-á @Omnathious |
Commander Ted
Bad Security.
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Posted - 2013.06.10 07:03:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote: That's why I said slowly change the sec status of the effected systems over the course of several patches.
Which would be useless, especially considering that only new systems would be added.
As long as there is one single link between the empires that is safe nothing would change.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |
Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.10 07:13:00 -
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Commander Ted wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote: That's why I said slowly change the sec status of the effected systems over the course of several patches.
Which would be useless, especially considering that only new systems would be added and none would be changed. As long as there is one single link between the empires that is safe nothing would change. Only when the final link is cut then all hell breaks loose. You want to add more systems? I was looking at this from the point of changing existing systems. If the system connects 2 (or more) empires it (and probaly a few surrounding systems) is low sec. Ideas for Drone ImprovementTwitter Account-á @Omnathious |
Commander Ted
Bad Security.
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Posted - 2013.06.10 07:16:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote: You want to add more systems? I was looking at this from the point of changing existing systems. If the system connects 2 (or more) empires it (and probaly a few surrounding systems) is low sec.
The current map is inadequate, to many choke points. Whole new regions are needed. Not to mention changing sec status is a TERRIBLE idea. It would screw over lots of people. How would you feel if your orca/mining fleet is suddenly 3 jumps into low sec after taking a month off? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |
Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
1139
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Posted - 2013.06.10 07:19:00 -
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Commander Ted wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote: You want to add more systems? I was looking at this from the point of changing existing systems. If the system connects 2 (or more) empires it (and probaly a few surrounding systems) is low sec.
The current map is inadequate, to many choke points. Whole new regions are needed. Not to mention changing sec status is a TERRIBLE idea. It would screw over lots of people. How would you feel if your orca/mining fleet is suddenly 3 jumps into low sec after taking a month off? Ok now we are on the same page on things, I thought you wanted to use the existing map. It would suck, but like all things I would get over it. Ideas for Drone ImprovementTwitter Account-á @Omnathious |
Commander Ted
Bad Security.
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Posted - 2013.06.10 07:22:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote: Ok now we are on the same page on things, I thought you wanted to use the existing map. It would suck, but like all things I would get over it.
It would cause more harm than good and solve nothing.
Also in the main post I actually proposed lore explanations and an idea of how they could do the new regions. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |
Omnathious Deninard
The Scope Gallente Federation
1139
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Posted - 2013.06.10 07:26:00 -
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Commander Ted wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote: Ok now we are on the same page on things, I thought you wanted to use the existing map. It would suck, but like all things I would get over it.
It would cause more harm than good and solve nothing. Also in the main post I actually proposed lore explanations and an idea of how they could do the new regions. I have not read the OP since you started this thread. Time to go back and re-read it. Ideas for Drone ImprovementTwitter Account-á @Omnathious |
Commander Ted
Bad Security.
714
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Posted - 2013.06.11 19:05:00 -
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Stickies are gone! Ill just bump this here. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |
Ordellus
ORI Ground Forces
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Posted - 2013.06.12 01:42:00 -
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Commander Ted wrote: Sounds like extremely boring emergent gameplay.
Actually LOL'd there. By "emergent gameplay" do you mean a bunch of prepared war vessels trapping and killing a respectively helpless ship?
I'd rather keep the high sec where it is. |
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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.12 06:58:00 -
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Ordellus wrote:Commander Ted wrote: Sounds like extremely boring emergent gameplay. Actually LOL'd there. By "emergent gameplay" do you mean a bunch of prepared war vessels trapping and killing a respectively helpless ship? I'd rather keep the high sec where it is.
Yea, it is emergent gameplay. Do you know what that even means?
Also I have yet to see any good reasons why Hi-sec needs to be kept the way it is. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |
Samuel Wess
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.12 07:18:00 -
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+1 |
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.16 19:18:00 -
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I keep seeing Fozzie respond to new posts all the time so I know he has read this. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.06.16 19:27:00 -
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Commander Ted wrote:I keep seeing Fozzie respond to new posts all the time so I know he has read this.
That is correct. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.16 19:29:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Commander Ted wrote:I keep seeing Fozzie respond to new posts all the time so I know he has read this. That is correct. Well at least it now says dev next to the thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |
Klymer
Hedion University Amarr Empire
273
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Posted - 2013.06.16 20:06:00 -
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Breaking up hisec into several small pockets would not encourage/force more people into losec or to hop in a combat ship and go pewpew. At best they would just stick to their little pond and at worse they would quit. And before someone says those people should quit, no we need every real person we can get lest this game becomes Alts Online.
Sorry I didn't read this threadnaught, so if that opinion has been expressed before then count this post as a no towards your idea.
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Drake Doe
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
228
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Posted - 2013.06.16 20:15:00 -
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I don't exactly see what would be wrong with people staying in their ponds by choice, hasn't there always been an element of risk vs reward in mist mmos? Also, the risk udverse are more likely to get alts for anything from orca boosts to lvl 4 mission salvaging. "The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! *pops more corn*" ---Evernub-- |
Bibosikus
Caldari Deep Space Ventures Tribal Band
150
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:08:00 -
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Haven't read more than the first page: Nice idea *if* it had been implemented from 2003. As it is, this would be too disruptive to the present economy.
Any suggestion which would seriously affect Eve's monetary turnover in an impossible-to-foresee manner is simply a no-no.
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Drake Doe
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
228
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Posted - 2013.06.16 21:14:00 -
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So you're saying adding incursions and sleepers was a bad. Idea because of how they could have affected the market? "The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! *pops more corn*" ---Evernub-- |
Bakuhz
The Nightingales of Hades Holdings The Nightingales of Hades
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Posted - 2013.06.16 22:01:00 -
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Interesting to see the haulerbears adapt to this situation. although as a pirate i rarely gate camp it is so damn boring but it would juice up the camps for sure. i see a bear market for cloaky trucks.
it is going to be the big cargo's that would get reall risky needing a escort team for that one jump or protect the cyno and gates. i like the post but i dont know if this really would be good for eve as i am not sure how far the high sec dwellers wil lbe scared off by this it could ruin the full eveconomy aswell.
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