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Stormfront	Posted - 2005.04.27 18:40:00 - [61] Dunno about any conspiracy theories but I'm from now on sending in petitions everytime we commence shooting stations and everytime we have taken one to update the logless GMs on the status of the stations. Ofcourse, this is to help them on the way to doing some good GM work. They are lacking in the ability to deal with customers. Anyone having issues or worried about dying/getitnggheyed by a bug. Petition it daily plz.
mahhy	Posted - 2005.04.27 18:48:00 - [62] Originally by: Kazim We really need to get some repsonse on this, all we are getting in mass from gm's "is sorry no logs available, sod off!" See, thats what I don't get. The Eve system generates Eve Mail reports on the shield levels. It also tells you if someone is attacking it or not. How does that not constitute "logging" that can be examined, followed and acting upon by GMs? Maybe their logging tools don't have that kind of info, but the info is THERE in Eve. Its not forgeable by the clients like chat logs or screenshots, so why is it not useable?
Rolaids	Posted - 2005.04.27 19:16:00 - [63] hm...well, no matter the outcome, I think Xetic Owned stations should get a bonus to all resistances. YARR
mahhy	Posted - 2005.04.27 19:18:00 - [64] Originally by: Rolaids hm...well, no matter the outcome, I think Xetic Owned stations should get a bonus to all resistances.
Hast	Posted - 2005.04.27 19:37:00 - [65] Xetic Refinery This is a refinery belonging to Xetic Federation. 5% bonus to all resistances and 5% chance of GM intervention per level (this is a joke! please do not shoot me )
kwoodward	Posted - 2005.04.27 19:37:00 - [66] about 99% should do it Meow!
DeathGrip	Posted - 2005.04.27 19:43:00 - [67] Edited by: DeathGrip on 27/04/2005 19:46:27 Originally by: Dorga Khab Originally by: The Enslaver He didn't imply you log in combat, he said XF do. Which, in fairness we have seen, and shown proof of multiple people doing so. I havent seen xetic fleet in XF space since this war started Doing this edit to tell Enslaver not your Post, talking about the other idiots post that has nothing to do with anything. This has to be the most retarded post I have seen yet. I am not saying we are everywhere all the time, but you must never be in Xetic space to say such a thing either. DDC and XETIC ROCK. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK TEAM [i]Everyone needs to bring PVP to the table, Miners, Builders, Researchers, Get yourself a Frig, and help out some, You may even
DeathGrip	Posted - 2005.04.27 19:44:00 - [68] Oh, yea and back on topic. I do agree, they need to have it same rules across the board, shields should not charge at downtime on all stations OR shields should charge 100% on all Stations, either way is good. Just make it the same for everyone. [i]Everyone needs to bring PVP to the table, Miners, Builders, Researchers, Get yourself a Frig, and help out some, You may even
Hast	Posted - 2005.04.27 19:46:00 - [69] Originally by: DeathGrip Oh, yea and back on topic. I do agree, they need to have it same rules across the board, shields should not charge at downtime on all stations OR shields should charge 100% on all Stations, either way is good. Just make it the same for everyone. actually, there is no reason for the shields to recharge to 100% in the DT. That would be unfair to us EU people since we would use the entire day from DT till we go to bed to shoot the station and the US dudes just take the station and dont have to worry about recharging the shields
mahhy	Posted - 2005.04.27 19:48:00 - [70] Originally by: DeathGrip Oh, yea and back on topic. I do agree, they need to have it same rules across the board, shields should not charge at downtime on all stations OR shields should charge 100% on all Stations, either way is good. Just make it the same for everyone. No charge. Sice DT happens at a regular time each day (not counting unplanned DTs) charging at DT would only benefit one section of players. And since we've already seen that theres large chunks of Xetic on North American timezones (or similar) versus us in EU timezones, thats not fair.
DeathGrip	Posted - 2005.04.27 19:49:00 - [71] Hast I do agree even though I am on the other side of fence being one attacked. But if they can't make it like that for what ever reason they need to make it equal all around. [i]Everyone needs to bring PVP to the table, Miners, Builders, Researchers, Get yourself a Frig, and help out some, You may even
mahhy	Posted - 2005.04.27 19:52:00 - [72] Originally by: DeathGrip Hast I do agree even though I am on the other side of fence being one attacked. But if they can't make it like that for what ever reason they need to make it equal all around. Charging to 100% at a specific, predictable time is NOT equal in any way. There can only be normal natural recharge. No special circumstances etc. Or if there is some reason they have to go to 100% or whatever over a DT, then the GMs need to be able to reset it to pre-DT levels, for both people shooting and people charging.
Hast	Posted - 2005.04.27 19:53:00 - [73] Edited by: Hast on 27/04/2005 19:53:15 Originally by: DeathGrip Hast I do agree even though I am on the other side of fence being one attacked. But if they can't make it like that for what ever reason they need to make it equal all around. yes, equality is good. setting shields to 100% every downtime aint equality edit: omg mahhy, go away or stop stealing my points and saying stuff faster then me
mahhy	Posted - 2005.04.27 19:55:00 - [74] Originally by: Hast edit: omg mahhy, go away or stop stealing my points and saying stuff faster then me /me goes away, sorry Hast
Virtuozzo	Posted - 2005.04.27 22:42:00 - [75] I'm confused ... so this has happened to both sides (and in other current wars even) now so where is the bias? I'm more worried about it happening in the first place, we can't base our fun factor if we can't trust game mechanics. Cheers, Virtuozzo
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.04.27 22:45:00 - [76] Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 27/04/2005 22:45:22 Some people are just ***ed off at the responses of certain GMs. F.e: GM 1: We have no logs of this A bit later, on the same subject, same station and same case: GM 2: Our logs show this station at 90% shields The calling of bias is mainly because people are getting thoroughly annoyed at it. For the Shinra guys i can also say that we had a similar situation in TPAR where the GMs did* interfer and set a station back for our enemies to about 5% shields, but refusing to do so earlier for us. EDIT: Just to clarify. I personally doubt there is any form of bias here, and i think most people, from both sides, will agree. /Elve New Video out! Watch me!
Virtuozzo	Posted - 2005.04.27 22:56:00 - [77] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Some people are just **ed off at the responses of certain GMs. Well, that is a road we all travel :P Originally by:** Elve Sorrow The calling of bias is mainly because people are getting thoroughly annoyed at it. For the Shinra guys i can also say that we had a similar situation in TPAR where the GMs did interfer and set a station back for our enemies to about 5% shields, but refusing to do so earlier for us. No worries there, I can fully understand that sentiment. It basically comes down to the feeling sometimes encountered in situations like this of banging up the wall. Originally by: Elve Sorrow EDIT: Just to clarify. I personally doubt there is any form of bias here, and i think most people, from both sides, will agree. Signed. Cheers, Virtuozzo
Nafri	Posted - 2005.04.27 23:04:00 - [78] guys its just a CCP game, probably the dont even know the mechanics how and when stations will recharge themselfs, I wouldnt suprise if its luck based what will happen there could be a good chance that all your stations will loose your shield or you cant target that station anymore Wanna fly with me?
Virtuozzo	Posted - 2005.04.27 23:07:00 - [79] Originally by: Nafri guys its just a CCP game Hello no! I'ts our game :-) Cheers, Virtuozzo
Sceartan	Posted - 2005.04.27 23:47:00 - [80] Apart from the obvious shield problems happening, something else which indicates that conquerable stations are massively broken is the fact that the titles of the station don't change properly. Last night, the station was called "Xetic Feythabolis Refinery" on the 'right-click' drop down menu. When you do a show info it was called "Krapz luxury cruise liner" and when you warped to the station and clicked on it to show in the overview, it was called "MASS is here to stay". Three titles being stored for the same object lends me to believe that they are storing the information on the station (names, shields, etc) in seperate locations in the database. It's no wonder shields spontaniously regenerate or wipe themselves out (in our case) when the system doesn't even know what part of the database to look at for something as simple as a title. CCP, you really need to investigate these problems. Station conquering takes hours upon hours of hard work. We then have the problem of needing to boost the shields after conquering, which takes hours and hours. Most members of MASS & associated corps + Xetic have spent a good 90% of our time in the last 3 weeks shooting or boosting shields, this equates to alot of man hours which belong to men/women which pay to play this game. To be told that theres nothing that can be done is blatantly unfair as we have unforgeable evidence which is date & time stamped that indicates the status of the shields before and after downtime, is just plain wrong and it makes me question the integrity of your customer support team.
Nytemaster	Posted - 2005.04.27 23:57:00 - [81] Originally by: Sceartan Apart from the obvious shield problems happening, something else which indicates that conquerable stations are massively broken is the fact that the titles of the station don't change properly. Last night, the station was called "Xetic Feythabolis Refinery" on the 'right-click' drop down menu. When you do a show info it was called "Krapz luxury cruise liner" and when you warped to the station and clicked on it to show in the overview, it was called "MASS is here to stay". Three titles being stored for the same object lends me to believe that they are storing the information on the station (names, shields, etc) in seperate locations in the database. It's no wonder shields spontaniously regenerate or wipe themselves out (in our case) when the system doesn't even know what part of the database to look at for something as simple as a title. CCP, you really need to investigate these problems. Station conquering takes hours upon hours of hard work. We then have the problem of needing to boost the shields after conquering, which takes hours and hours. Most members of MASS & associated corps + Xetic have spent a good 90% of our time in the last 3 weeks shooting or boosting shields, this equates to alot of man hours which belong to men/women which pay to play this game. To be told that theres nothing that can be done is blatantly unfair as we have unforgeable evidence which is date & time stamped that indicates the status of the shields before and after downtime, is just plain wrong and it makes me question the integrity of your customer support team. Signed. Previous encounters with support resulted in two responses from two different GMs on a result of the same crash incident where I lost a buzzard. I got a response that my buzzard was not replaceable from one, and the other quickly replaced it. The only reason I wrote two seperate supports was to include the dxdiag in the second. There are problems with customer support big time and CCP doesn't acknowledge it. I understand this reason for not telling customers that their support is broken, but it should be dealt with behind closed doors and quickly. Nytemaster
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2005.04.28 00:48:00 - [82] imo just a bug. Annoying but certainly not some conspiracy of GMs ^^ Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
Xendie	Posted - 2005.04.28 00:58:00 - [83] OMG!!!! its raining outsidemy house but not in the next town where a xetic guy lives!!!! SPLOITS, HAXXOR do you notice how much of a bunch of whining girls you sound like? just play the game or quit.
Sceartan	Posted - 2005.04.28 01:24:00 - [84] Originally by: Xendie OMG!!!! its raining outsidemy house but not in the next town where a xetic guy lives!!!! SPLOITS, HAXXOR do you notice how much of a bunch of whining girls you sound like? just play the game or quit. Please read the thread properly, this isn't about Xetic, it's about hours of time spent that has been wasted. Try to put it into perspective; Miners: You've just hauled and mined 6 hours worth of ore only to find it missing from your hangar, I'm sure you'd be upset overt this. Agent runners: You've just done 6 hours worth of missions to find you didn't get any isk, loyalty points or a standings increase, I'm sure you'd be upset over this. Researchers: You've just had a BP in a research slot and its popped out with no increase in its ME, I'm sure you'd be upset over this. It's the same for us trying to takeover stations. We have spent hours doing it only to find all our efforts have vanished in a scheduled downtime. We have proof of the problem yet CCP fail to acknowledge or reverse anything thats happened. This is what most people are annoyed about. It's not just happening in Xetic space, it's happening all over Eve to all corporations. For 5 minutes, put the flame bait away and lets band together as paying customers to try and get CCP's attention on this problem and to acknowledge something needs fixed.
Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.04.28 02:17:00 - [85] Looks to me more of a bug then actually biased GMs. It's probably something along the line as with the names. CCP needs to fix this, and no recharging during downtime, period. The thing that does concern me though is the total randomness of GM response. It's even starting to smell a bit biased at some points. The whole 'we don't have logs' crap is beyond offensive especially when previous actions of GMs and gamemechanics (mails) contradict this. Maybe one of the reasons why it's not allowed to post GM responses is to cover up the fact that their guidelines are crap and there is little uniformity in their responses. It's would be too scary to be true. I'd suggest to keep bugging them about this as long as necessary to get an actual response and explanation. Get your entire corp to keep spamming CS demanding for an answer. Seems to me every single member participating in the taking at least deserves a individual satisfying answer.
shivan	Posted - 2005.04.28 03:08:00 - [86] Gave up reading after page 3 and was only looking for a GM or DEV reply, didnt see and I dont expect to see one, GOOD LUCK GUYS with the stations and all and post what happens with the petitions, if thats allowed. --------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Stormfront	Posted - 2005.04.28 05:01:00 - [87] I petition every time we commence firing on a station :) I will petition with my alts as well just to make sure it doesnt miss there attention :D
mahhy	Posted - 2005.04.28 06:54:00 - [88] Originally by: Xendie OMG!!!! its raining outsidemy house but not in the next town where a xetic guy lives!!!! SPLOITS, HAXXOR do you notice how much of a bunch of whining girls you sound like? just play the game or quit. Shooting/Charging stations is playing the game. We just don't want all that WORK to magically disappear. Its not fun, its work. And nobody... us or Xetic want to do it more than is necessary. We just want the bug fixed. Oh and some consistency in what GMs say about it would be nice too
CEO Pyrex	Posted - 2005.04.28 07:09:00 - [89] This thread needs locking as its just people winding people up now. Yeah sounds like a bug, but theres a whole load of bugs that are more important, stuck chars, missing isk and such. If enough people whine about one thing on the forums the nerf bat comes out so it would seem. (ravens, Level 4 agents, missiles etc) I personally think it should take a huge effort to bring a station under your control, atm its too easy with stations changing hands every 5 mins. Thats rubbish cos the time zones make it a dammed yo-yo. It should be a few days of sustained attack (with no recharge at DT) so people dont 'station grief' My 10 cents CEO Pyrex 'A hobbit with a long dong'
mahhy	Posted - 2005.04.28 08:17:00 - [90] Originally by: CEO Pyrex Yeah sounds like a bug, but theres a whole load of bugs that are more important, stuck chars, missing isk and such. Hours upon hours of wasted play time isn't up there in the important scale? Originally by: CEO Pyrex I personally think it should take a huge effort to bring a station under your control, atm its too easy with stations changing hands every 5 mins. 5 mins? C'mon. I've seen you in local down in Feyth I think. You knowe as well as I do its not 5 mins. Its many many hours. Originally by: CEO Pyrex Thats rubbish cos the time zones make it a dammed yo-yo. It should be a few days of sustained attack (with no recharge at DT) so people dont 'station grief' Days of sustained attack? What would the purpose there be? We'd attack, drop the shields some, you'd come along and charge the shields some. We'd eventually get the station, and then station yo-yo would happen, since you'd never be able to recharge it enough to stop us. Oh and 'station grief'?? The PCS were put in the game specifically for this purpose: to be fought over. Only Xetic would ever coin the term 'station grief'

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