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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1107
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Posted - 2012.11.23 01:19:00 -
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Borascus wrote:Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Borascus wrote:
No offence here, but the most offensive thing to go through in a recruitment process is the use of - IRC + Mumble + Teamspeak/Ventrilo + Full API (not the limited one) + a reference.
Cool don't join us then, or any really successful PvP Null Sec bloc, because:
- Comms is essential, nuff said.
- Full API is often essential to weed out spies, see above. You expect trust with no trust given in return. How selfish.
- References are sometimes required to make sure you've spoken to someone in the corp for more than 5 minutes
- IRC/Jabber is amazing. Not only does it let you SOCIALISE with you new SOCIAL GROUP without even logging in, it means that something super cool could be happening and you'd miss out. Say you're watching you favourite anime series for the 8th time (you nerd) and suddenly you get told an enemy titan is tackled and a massive fight is taking place. Do you want to be involved in that fight? If the answer is "no" then don't come to Null Sec anyway.
I, went through that sketch where I explained I was in Hi-sec for a bit? I've been in null-sec before and although I find it "offensive to ask for that much information" I've used that information before, and asked for it before, I stated as much in another thread where you responded directly? I've still got all the bookmarks to jumpbridges from Branch pre-burn to -A- last month......... I've not given these to anyone? I also say: Comms - yes, many unaccountable comms - no. The trust requested is 4 involuntary comms channels on '4 unmonitored programs' under the premise it's cool to be on them, bear in mind that Anti-Virus programs require a list of definitions for those programs to make sure they don't inject code (Allow for safe being pointless and Allow for all being the most commonly clicked button), most are slapped together despite already legitimate programs doing exactly the same thing already being around, like large TS servers, with chat channels and pop-up sounds.
To be fair, you can google jump bridge maps. Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
170
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Posted - 2012.11.23 01:23:00 -
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Borascus wrote:La Nariz wrote:Borascus wrote: I also say: Comms - yes, many unaccountable comms - no.
That sounds like one big excuse for not using comms probably stemming from "oh god its another program that I don't want to have to run." Any half-decent free antivirus will protect you from those things you list. Comms are essential, its the social group that makes EVE fun and you can't be a part of a social group without communication. Would you tell me which one your members think is the best anti-virus program?
Of all the ones I've used over the years, the one that Microsoft makes (became available with Vista iirc) has been the best. Way way way way way less lag and hard drive grinding then Norton or McAfee, and it ties right into the built in permissions system in Windows. |

Arsedestroyer
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2012.11.23 01:30:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:
When i give out my full API key why should i also give out all of my financial transactions as well. I am very very rich in this game and roughly 1% worth of all isk trades in Amarr runs through my characters. If i give out this information they could kick me and take these markets for themselves.
Use a clean alt to join alliances maybe? |

Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
170
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Posted - 2012.11.23 01:42:00 -
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Arsedestroyer wrote:Karn Dulake wrote:
When i give out my full API key why should i also give out all of my financial transactions as well. I am very very rich in this game and roughly 1% worth of all isk trades in Amarr runs through my characters. If i give out this information they could kick me and take these markets for themselves.
Use a clean alt to join alliances maybe?
Alt or account? Smart corps will ask for an account wide API.
If you have some sort of serious business trade or industry characters that you don't want to expose to a nullsec corp, then cough up the Plex to roll a new account with nullsec PvP characters and then give the API for only that account. |

Roderick Grey
Assisted Genocide Black Legion.
108
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Posted - 2012.11.23 01:44:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote: So apart from the Goons who have their own incestious relationship with this game how easily would it be to join a major and successful powerblock or elite small/medium gang in nullsec.
EXTRA QUESTION (and one that needs a credible answer)
When i give out my full API key why should i also give out all of my financial transactions as well. I am very very rich in this game and roughly 1% worth of all isk trades in Amarr runs through my characters. If i give out this information they could kick me and take these markets for themselves.
Major powerblocks and small - medium gangs are both completely different stories. Most powerblocks are extremely easy to get into, they typically have a large amount of corps and alliances, each with their own policies and requirements. Let's say you really want to get into a corp in RAZOR, but they wont let you in due to an inactive killboard and low SP, does this mean you should give up? No, find out who they're blue to and join them, let's say you find FCON, so you join them attend CTA's and get roughly 300-1000 kills in a month, now try again with a different corp in RAZOR.
Elite small - medium gangs are exactly that, they're elitist, they enjoy small to medium gangs so they wont pick up just anyone, my advice to you would be to join a powerblock with SRP and attend a small amount of CTAs, but focus on the fleets before and after CTA's that's where all the small gang happens, after that you can try solo and that's where you can earn other player's respect. To be accepted to elite small gang, you actually need to not only be skilled, but appear skilled in the eyes of others.
EXTRA QUESTION: You give out your full API because they ask you and everyone else to, financial transactions are one of the many ways to determine who you interact with in Eve, if you're not willing to trust other people to the point where you''re not going to be able to join them I suggest you just stay in highsec. |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
724
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Posted - 2012.11.23 02:46:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:Ive been looking into this recently as ive read to many posts about nullsecers bemoaning that highsec people wont try nullsec. So i thought i would try to see how easy it was to join up.
So the question is, how hard is it to join a nullsec alliance (i wont name the major ones as trolling will commence)
I joined the corp recruitment channel and every nullsec group i looked at were getting smashed in every war they had.
Yes. Getting smashed is all part of the nullsec fun. Except you do a fair bit of smashing, too. See there is always someone bigger than you (unless you're TEST). So you step on the little guy and in turn are stepped on by bigger guys, and you repeat this forever. Sometimes you get to stay where you are. Eventually you have to move. Welcome to nullsec. If you don't accept this as par for the course, stay out.
Karn Dulake wrote: When i give out my full API key why should i also give out all of my financial transactions as well.
Then don't. If you get challenged, tell them why not. And if they don't like it, screw 'em. However methinks you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder. That attitude will not help you get recruited. In nullsec you are just meat for the grinder, boy. No one cares about your little market tricks - in fact your alliance will appreciate you NOT using them on fellow alliance members. The "enemy" is THAT way ---> No, all we care about is if you can bring the right ship and fitting to the fight, with enough skill to fly it well, and if you can do exactly as you are told. |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
724
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Posted - 2012.11.23 02:54:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:
Were you trying to join -A- or something?
-A- is the anal probe. |

Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
171
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Posted - 2012.11.23 03:04:00 -
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Ptraci wrote: Then don't. If you get challenged, tell them why not. And if they don't like it, screw 'em. However methinks you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder. That attitude will not help you get recruited. In nullsec you are just meat for the grinder, boy. No one cares about your little market tricks - in fact your alliance will appreciate you NOT using them on fellow alliance members. The "enemy" is THAT way ---> No, all we care about is if you can bring the right ship and fitting to the fight, with enough skill to fly it well, and if you can do exactly as you are told.
It isn't an entirely unreasonable opinion though. Nullsec alliance leadership has plenty of examples of individuals who turned and used the authorities and access they had to takes as much with them on the way out.
For the most part though, the people that will be reviewing your API are already personally wealthy enough, and have access to alliance wealth, to not really care about you highsec side business. Matter of fact, if your side business is so successful, you might be able to use it to get in even if you are under on other prerequisites. Say you have the ability to produce or source commonly consumed fleet hulls or ammo for cheap. Nullsec corps need to do a lot of mostly highsec industry, trade, and logistics to fund their nullsec operations. |

YoYo NickyYo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.11.23 03:25:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:
Were you trying to join -A- or something?
-A- is the anal probe.
You've met Avi?
I'm not a troll! I just play one on TV! I'm not a troll!, But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!
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Terminal Insanity
Suicides-R-Us BricK sQuAD.
704
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Posted - 2012.11.23 04:09:00 -
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If you have a Reddit account that you've used, you can join Dreddit/TEST If you've got a somethingaweful account, join Goonswarm. EveUni isnt exactly 0.0 sov but they do 0.0 pvp.
If you've got over 50mil SP and no corp thieving in your history you should be able to get into a 0.0 sov alliance very easily You could probably get in with as little as 5 or 10mil SP "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |

Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar Intrepid Crossing
266
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Posted - 2012.11.23 04:18:00 -
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First you must cut down the mightiest tree in the forest...with a herring. Then you shall fetch us a shrubbery. Then you must bring us...another shrubbery. When you have found the shrubbery, place the shrubbery here, beside the first shrubbery ... only slightly higher, so you get a two-level effect with a path through the middle. I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance. |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
3636
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Posted - 2012.11.23 04:20:00 -
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Christopher AET wrote:First you must cut down the mightiest tree in the forest...with a herring. Then you shall fetch us a shrubbery. Then you must bring us...another shrubbery. When you have found the shrubbery, place the shrubbery here, beside the first shrubbery ... only slightly higher, so you get a two-level effect with a path through the middle.
None shall pass "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2003
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Posted - 2012.11.23 04:21:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:If you are 5.0 sec status with no pvp history and no significant corp activity in the past then what can you actually offer to a PVP corp?
It;s like going into a job interview with no CV and no proof that you are in any way competent. Join some random fleets, join in on roams as a guest, join RvB, Eve Uni, maybe even ask Snigg; and heaven forbid you try some solo PvP or show any initiative.
Don't expect to just get in by talking. Prove you deserve to be there, or join someone incompetent like Intrepid Crossing who will accept anyone.
That's the kind of stuff that will always keep a substantial amount of people well out of 0.0 corps.
There's a constant cry to get people out in null sec but they have to forcibly like to PvP and have records of it. At the same time, there's a constant cry to nerf those who just don't like to (spaceships) PvP and thus are denied any access to get to 0.0.
This is quite an hypocrisy that it's imposed on a sizable amount of the playerbase. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
932
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Posted - 2012.11.23 04:46:00 -
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Borascus wrote: I'd only really join a corp that has one requirement - Comms, any other comms or combination of comms is a liability.
Yes, having a jabber server to ping me that something interesting going on while I'm playing X-Com or jerking off is a terrible thing. |

Terminal Insanity
Suicides-R-Us BricK sQuAD.
704
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Posted - 2012.11.23 04:46:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: There's a constant cry to get people out in null sec but they have to forcibly like to PvP and have records of it. At the same time, there's a constant cry to nerf those who just don't like to (spaceships) PvP and thus are denied any access to get to 0.0.
This is quite an hypocrisy that it's imposed on a sizable amount of the playerbase.
Most large 0.0 pvp alliances have a 'carebear' sister corp, who only recruits carebears to live in 0.0 for mining/ratting/etc. You dont need any pvp history at all to join these. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
932
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Posted - 2012.11.23 04:47:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: That's the kind of stuff that will always keep a substantial amount of people well out of 0.0 corps.
There's a constant cry to get people out in null sec but they have to forcibly like to PvP and have records of it. At the same time, there's a constant cry to nerf those who just don't like to (spaceships) PvP and thus are denied any access to get to 0.0.
This is quite an hypocrisy that it's imposed on a sizable amount of the playerbase.
Why would you even want to move to conquerable space if you have no interest in fighting? |

Karn Dulake
Sad Flutes
1010
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Posted - 2012.11.23 04:51:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: That's the kind of stuff that will always keep a substantial amount of people well out of 0.0 corps.
There's a constant cry to get people out in null sec but they have to forcibly like to PvP and have records of it. At the same time, there's a constant cry to nerf those who just don't like to (spaceships) PvP and thus are denied any access to get to 0.0.
This is quite an hypocrisy that it's imposed on a sizable amount of the playerbase.
Why would you even want to move to conquerable space if you have no interest in fighting?
The whole point is that people do want to PvP but cannot get in without a lot of stipulations. I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |

Nikodiemus
Jokulhlaup
54
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Posted - 2012.11.23 04:52:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:Ive been looking into this recently as ive read to many posts about nullsecers bemoaning that highsec people wont try nullsec. So i thought i would try to see how easy it was to join up.
So the question is, how hard is it to join a nullsec alliance [...]
The conclusion is that the big nullsec alliances do not recruit through normal channels.
So i tried again with a more credible PvP corp who before i talked about my skills had kicked me for lack of killboard.
But i tend to live solo in Russian space, Why.....BECAUSE ITS FULL OF RUSSIANS. The area is the ultimate finishing school for anyone who lives in nullsec/lowsec.
So apart from the Goons who have their own incestious relationship with this game how easily would it be to join a major and successful powerblock or elite small/medium gang in nullsec.
And how long should i bother before i either give up or stick to Russian space or highsec. [...]
There is so much wrong with this post I had to selectively comment on what I felt was most prevalent.
Joinging a null sec alliance is easy if you are willing to put forth the effort to contribute. Null isn't like highsec where any POS alliance or corp can exist without merit. To live in null you must either pay, fight, or negotiate your way in.
Living only in Russian space and only knowing Russian EVE culture is just asking to never leave your own personal bubble.
Also, Goons may be the wanna be pain in the ass of Eve, but they play the game for the same reasons as anyone: fight, profit, screw others, and enjoy what a free universe offers.
I joined my first null alliance as a total newb. The alliance taught me, killed me, scorned me, and nurtured me. In the end, I didn't blink at nullsec nonsense, I never feared the "terrible horror" of 0.0, I loved my alliance like a second home, and the game became more valuable than just the personal solo player BS I had been playing.
If you play alone you are losing out.
P.S. Goons may be dicks but they also have the best new player guides, wikis, and peer help in the entire world of EVE, including the **** poor efforts CCP makes for their new player experience. |

Cyprus Black
No Flux Given
399
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Posted - 2012.11.23 04:57:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:Ive been looking into this recently as ive read to many posts about nullsecers bemoaning that highsec people wont try nullsec. So i thought i would try to see how easy it was to join up.
So the question is, how hard is it to join a nullsec alliance (i wont name the major ones as trolling will commence) How hard is it to join a nullsec alliance? Well that all depends on your standards. Some nullsec alliances can be fun to run with. Most are not. Typically the easier it is to get into a nullsec alliance, the worse they are. The ones that aren't recruiting don't really need to recruit so it's a bit harder to get in.
Newer nullsec alliances are often pets to larger more established ones. These new alliances have to show off how awesome they are so they killboard hoar, their FCs scream and whine on coms, they have 24/7 mandatory CTAs (some claim they don't, but they really do. They just call it something else). They have poor ship replacement program if any at all. And generally they treat their members as disposable garbage.
On the flip side, super large nullsec alliances can be boring. They're in no danger of ever being kicked out of nullsec. Anything short of a game changing mechanic or large numbers of top ranking defectors will not hurt them. Goons and Test will never go away. They will never be destroyed nor uprooted. They will never be brought down Too busy playing The Secret World. EvE has gone stale and boring. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2004
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Posted - 2012.11.23 05:31:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: That's the kind of stuff that will always keep a substantial amount of people well out of 0.0 corps.
There's a constant cry to get people out in null sec but they have to forcibly like to PvP and have records of it. At the same time, there's a constant cry to nerf those who just don't like to (spaceships) PvP and thus are denied any access to get to 0.0.
This is quite an hypocrisy that it's imposed on a sizable amount of the playerbase.
Why would you even want to move to conquerable space if you have no interest in fighting?
Have you asked this question to the pipeline technicians who are sent to some often-in-war middle eastern country? Their reply could be enlightening. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
705
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Posted - 2012.11.23 05:56:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: That's the kind of stuff that will always keep a substantial amount of people well out of 0.0 corps.
There's a constant cry to get people out in null sec but they have to forcibly like to PvP and have records of it. At the same time, there's a constant cry to nerf those who just don't like to (spaceships) PvP and thus are denied any access to get to 0.0.
This is quite an hypocrisy that it's imposed on a sizable amount of the playerbase.
Why would you even want to move to conquerable space if you have no interest in fighting? The whole point is that people do want to PvP but cannot get in without a lot of stipulations.
Incorrect...
You can PVP without joining a corp. Showing initiative will have have corps asking you to join them without you making the effort of looking for a corp.
Stipulation and SP limits are there to scare those that take chances away. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy Space Poor South African.
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |

Ghazu
288
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Posted - 2012.11.23 06:14:00 -
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But you don't want to join a null alliance stop trolling. http://www.minerbumping.com/ |

Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
299
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Posted - 2012.11.23 06:22:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:But you don't want to join a null alliance stop trolling.
That's not true.
If large alliances looked at all mails, and judged based on participation I would agree. They don't do that. They look at wins though. Lets be realistic, I could show you 500 kill mails of me trying to break an -A- line alone and getting my ass handed to me every time and sure, I would be a great joke on the forums but nobody would see me and say, wow that's a determined pilot. They will only see a 'bad at EVE' player. |

James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1325
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Posted - 2012.11.23 06:31:00 -
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How do you know that if you don't try? Chances are there's more than a few corps out there that'll take you for that.
Feel free to look at my combat record prior to joining RAZOR. You'll see it wasn't really all that great. |

Ghazu
289
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Posted - 2012.11.23 07:51:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Ghazu wrote:But you don't want to join a null alliance stop trolling. That's not true. If large alliances looked at all mails, and judged based on participation I would agree. They don't do that. They look at wins though. Lets be realistic, I could show you 500 kill mails of me trying to break an -A- line alone and getting my ass handed to me every time and sure, I would be a great joke on the forums but nobody would see me and say, wow that's a determined pilot. They will only see a 'bad at EVE' player. I showed up in Uedama to 'combat the piracy'. I failed, I was bugshit on a bumper but I tried. It won't get added to my EVE resume though. lol -A-, why don't you aim for Black Legion or NCdot *or Nulli, they fought like the devil. http://www.minerbumping.com/ |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
1082
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Posted - 2012.11.23 08:26:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Karn Dulake wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:It's actually very easy to join us compared to most nullsec alliances. Would that be the 500 million isk up front kind of easy? No, it's the "send your application in and fill out a questionnaire and give us your API key" kind of easy.
Pretty much this for everyone really. Also, full api (including mail and transactions) or its a solid no. Anyone who drops security for the sake of gaining one more player is doing it wrong. No one cares how much isk you have or how you get it, they are looking for player donations to or from blacklisted people or known enemies, not how many salvager 1 units you sold last week. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
576
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Posted - 2012.11.23 09:03:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Have you asked this question to the pipeline technicians who are sent to some often-in-war middle eastern country? Their reply could be enlightening.
This may shock you, but they apply for those jobs, they're not "sent". They're also compensated far, far better for their dangerous work than they would be at home, which doesn't line up with Eve at all. |

Speedkermit Damo
Callide Vulpis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.11.23 09:52:00 -
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It's extremely easy. Simply post a thread in the recruitment forums and watch the offers come in. I did this myself, and even though I'm a 2 million skillpoint noob. I must of had about 20 invites. Don't Panic.
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March rabbit
Aliastra
266
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Posted - 2012.11.23 10:23:00 -
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The Protato wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: No, it's the "send your application in and fill out a questionnaire and give us your API key" kind of easy. Not to mention the "Be on our forums for three months and participate and be screened by six kinds of anal probe" easy i'm not sure which one from these 2 things is more unpleasing 
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
206
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Posted - 2012.11.23 10:31:00 -
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You know what the truth is like, don-¦t you?
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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