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Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2012.11.28 16:16:00 -
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Details later CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Serpentine Logic
Setenta Corp AL3XAND3R.
2
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Posted - 2012.11.29 00:31:00 -
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I'd just like to say that I would be OK if dust items required aurum to manufacture. I wouldn't like it, of course, but I can see that CCP needs to make its money somewhere. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
801
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Posted - 2012.11.29 10:34:00 -
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Serpentine Logic wrote:I'd just like to say that I would be OK if dust items required aurum to manufacture. I wouldn't like it, of course, but I can see that CCP needs to make its money somewhere. Yea Dust will have to earn for it self, but AUR needed for manufacturing items ingame is BAD. It should be used to buy stuff from the "AUR shop". |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
2087
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Posted - 2012.11.29 15:35:00 -
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Two step wrote:Details later
I like how you had witty comments for all the other summit topics but just gave up here. Well play, my friend. CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Legion of xXDEATHXx
99
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Posted - 2012.12.02 04:58:00 -
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"EVE/DUST link"
Umm, what was it again? How does this work.... I don't even....
Wut?
Of what use to us immortals are these ground pounders pray tell?
Will they provide us greater riches? If not, what useful purpose will they serve? |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
2088
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Posted - 2012.12.02 14:48:00 -
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Unless we are presented with something earth shattering, something tells me the summit minutes for this session will take about 15 minutes to write. CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
649
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Posted - 2012.12.02 15:53:00 -
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This was topic near and dear to me for a long time, but then CCP announced that there was effectively no link to Dust at launch. There is some amazing potential here, and the most likely system is PI itself. If all goods that DUST players need are produced from PI/Industry in EVE, and they impact our PI pricing, it provides incentive to actually use DUST mercs. Right now with the current vague announcements about the system, there is almost no reason for an EVE player to care about DUST at all. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
465
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Posted - 2012.12.02 16:54:00 -
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Seleene wrote:Unless we are presented with something earth shattering, Literally? Orbital bombardment was already demonstrated at fanfest
sorry |
Sephiroth CloneIIV
Aliastra Gallente Federation
139
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Posted - 2012.12.02 18:09:00 -
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I am not sure how either economies/games are linked sofar so I can't realy offer a opinion on how it is.
I would prefer if real conquests were brought at launch, but factional warfare is good too, a sort of testin ground, better something than more beta.
A idea I have is that both econemys and resources are linked and exclusive. For planets owned by dust people they get resources that are exclusive for building ground stuff, and eve has minerals that are exclusively used for space ships. Some resources for tech 2 being traded to one and another (PI for eve, and morphite and moon materials for dust). |
Nariya Kentaya
Tartarus Ventures Surely You're Joking
224
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Posted - 2012.12.03 06:23:00 -
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I'm just hoping for something good enough that it can survive PS2 (which is AWESOME), and SOE's longterm plan for planetside, as far as "the scifi first person shooter" to play. honestly dust even with an EVE link will be way small until it get s content that amkes th game connected by more then numbers, but by actual, tangible, bullets to the face of capsuleers as everyone sits drunk in a bar. |
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Cerebral Wolf
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.12.03 15:17:00 -
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I love Dust but the serious lack of love from CCP when it comes to Dust and EVE integrating is giving me serious cause for concern.
Like Aryth said, there's a lot of room here for amazing things in the future and we all know how CCP typically implement something into EVE half arsed and fix it 3 years later but they have gone the opposite way with Dust and are doing so little with it and being so cautious with it that they risk loosing their player base before the game even goes live.
I can't go into specifics because of the NDA but they need to start ramping things up and spend much less time listening to forum thread after forum thread about balance issues people claim are wrong simply because they not use to the EVE skill system and don't train core skills and then go on ***** about things being OP or nerfed too much. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
2091
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Posted - 2012.12.03 15:43:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf wrote:I love Dust but the serious lack of love from CCP when it comes to Dust and EVE integrating is giving me serious cause for concern.
Yep. I personally am not invested at all in if DUST lives or dies because, as an EVE player, CCP has given me no reason to care. There is no overall VISION associated with the mythical EVE / DUST link that makes me think, "HOLY CRAP THIS IS GOING TO BE AMAZING!" The games will ~touch~. Okaaaaaaay... great, I guess?
My concern with DUST right now is the same concern I have always had with CCP - how much of what's in the uber cool trailers will translate into something that engages me as a player? I'm certainly going to ask that and many other questions. What I find most amusing / horrifying about all this is that Sony built PS2 in 2.5 years from the ground up. DUST has been in the works for nearly twice as long. We still have no idea when DUST is going to be 'released' or if we will ever see it on anything other than a console. This kind of grey area nonsense does so much damage to CCP. CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
Cerebral Wolf
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.12.03 18:44:00 -
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It will be about the summer EVE expansion i'd guess, it was originally slated to be part of tomorrows update till they got a bunch of feedback they didn't like and decided to postpone it.
My biggest concern for EVE/Dust is with the money CCP have **** into Dust, if it tanks will EVE tank?... Because we're not talking about a small sum of money here. |
Master Sunfang
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.12.05 21:19:00 -
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1: Interaction between PC and Console gamers 2: The wonderful world of New Eden
I'm sorry, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I fail to see any other "true link" between these two games. As I understand it, the role DUST will play in the EVE universe will be similar to the FW and Incursion mini-games. While these two "features" made great additions to EVE, that's all they ever will be, and that's what DUST is shaping up to be, an expensive (PS3's don't come cheap) mini-game.
When my EVE character can shuttle down to a planet and participate in the ground wars, or DUST players can join me in raiding stations and boarding capital ships, all on the same client, then I will acknowledge a genuine link between these two games.
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Dennie Fleetfoot
EVE University Ivy League
346
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Posted - 2012.12.06 00:26:00 -
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The fact that there are so few comments about the Eve/Dust link, in a thread for a CSM Summit, should in itself be a cause for concern for CCP.
I've been playing the beta extensively, only logging on to Eve to update training queues and keep from kicked from the Uni for inactivity. I admit it. I kinda rage quit after the Unifubared Inventory debacle, which I predicted would happen after all the feedback from Sisi about it got completely ignored. Thankfully Retribution seems to have fixed a lot of it so I'll likely be in Eve a little more again.
As Kelduum knows well, the corp interface between Dust and Eve at the moment is poor. i know thats it's a beta but it doesn't even come close to having even basic functionality. Currently the sum total of the Eve/Dust link is basically Eve Players and Dust players can communicate via corp chat channel on Sisi and thats it.
The brave world that Orbital Bombardment promised at Fanfest in March (still one of the cooler moments of the 3 days) and the very basic build we played then at Harpa, changed me from skeptic to interested. The beta build we first got access to when we got home, I went from interested to excited and Codex made me volunteer to be Director of Operations for Dust University. I'm working on some basic ideas and policies for how to run it on a day to day basis but until we get a clearer picture of the nature of the link at launch, how the corp system will work and get that information soon, I'm worried that Dust will be stillborn.
I know that CCP are excited for Dust. I was at the Newcastle meet and talked to CCP-Unifex a lot about it. But that enthusiasm seems to be diminished at the moment. Theres been no significant update to the build we're using at the moment for weeks now and there is only so many times you can fire an assault rifle before you know that it works. We need to start getting into the meat of the game, how it works with Eve. If Dust doesn't have a real and tangible effect in Eve itself from Day One that will get Eve players excited about it and use the Dust Bunnies for their own ends, then Dust 514 will fail. The FPS game mechanics are important to get right in order to get the COD crowd interested in Dust and by extension Eve. But if the Eve players don't care about it then whats the point of having the link in the first place.
And that would be a terrible shame.
Not just because the time, effort and resources that CCP have put into it would have been wasted but that the possibilities that a fully connected Eve and Dust, in terms of the expansion of the New Eden Universe will not come to pass. In a couple of years time, Dust Mercs could be hired to storm and take over a Titan or even a POS intact. Dust players and Eve players interacting on station in bars, shops and sports arena's. The pain of Incarna, Captain Quarters and monocles would finally be justified by CCP on that day.
We want Dust to work and we want to help make it work. We want a meaningful link on launch and Dust Bunnies want to make their mark in New Eden.
Director Of Operations for Dust University
www.twitter.com/DennieFleetfoot |
Opaque Intent
Setenta Corp AL3XAND3R.
4
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Posted - 2012.12.06 01:26:00 -
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CCP needs to release for discussion what it believes would be the minimum viable product link between dust and Eve. |
Wolf TheFallen
Deafening Silence Syndiate In Umbra Mortis
0
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Posted - 2012.12.07 14:09:00 -
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Eve is a wonderful Sandbox game, we all know this and love this. This is why we are still around... Dust..... ..... I've Beta tested.... ... NDA.... .. .. . Ok I'll say 1 thing Me more as an EVE player, Where and how will the Two games influence Each other? and WHEN?? will the two communities start BETA testing it TOGETHER!!! if you don't do it soon i feel, CCP, that you will have huge issue on hand.. THE link is the selling point on Dust it is what will make unique! Make sure the two systems working together have good established Will polished connections that have been Beta tested by players on BOTH sides of the house at the same time before release so you can fix any exploitation issues that can/will come up prior. |
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CCP Nullarbor
C C P C C P Alliance
422
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Posted - 2012.12.10 15:16:00 -
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We have some new things to discuss with the CSM at this summit related to our plans for next year which includes some of the concerns raised in this thread. Unfortunately a lot will be covered by NDA since DUST itself is still in closed beta.
I expect this will change next year though once we go to open beta and onto Tranquility. CCP Nullarbor | Exotic Dancer |
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Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY Tribal Conclave
223
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Posted - 2012.12.10 17:57:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:We have some new things to discuss with the CSM at this summit related to our plans for next year which includes some of the concerns raised in this thread. Unfortunately a lot will be covered by NDA since DUST itself is still in closed beta.
I expect this will change next year though once we go to open beta and onto Tranquility.
Well, I thin EVE have allot of NDA and I'm sure that is not on beta.... Please read this! > New POS system (Block Built) Please read this! > Refining and Reprocess Revamp |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1111
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Posted - 2012.12.11 00:58:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:We have some new things to discuss with the CSM at this summit related to our plans for next year which includes some of the concerns raised in this thread. Unfortunately a lot will be covered by NDA since DUST itself is still in closed beta.
I expect this will change next year though once we go to open beta and onto Tranquility. Until more details of how the two games are going to interact are released, there's precious little reason for either playerbase to care and you're wasting critical time hiding behind NDAs that could be used to build up excitement and anticipation in both camps.
Frankly, the link is Dust's USP, and right now it appears to those of us on the outside looking in to be a halfassed meaningless gimmick that Eve players will ignore and Dust players will forget about five minutes in. If the extent of the link at launch is making Factional Warfare conquest slightly easier, then there's no reason for any of us to really give a damn. All we're left with at that point is Generic Scifi Shooter #514, and the players will move on to the next one and leave Dust dead in the water long before you have the opportunity to iterate on it and provide something more tangible, or to hook the players and turn them into the sort of long term fans who spend any money on the microtransactions you're relying on to provide income.
I want Dust to succeed, but at this late stage there's little on show to make us believe it can do so. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
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CCP Nullarbor
C C P C C P Alliance
424
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Posted - 2012.12.11 08:25:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:We have some new things to discuss with the CSM at this summit related to our plans for next year which includes some of the concerns raised in this thread. Unfortunately a lot will be covered by NDA since DUST itself is still in closed beta.
I expect this will change next year though once we go to open beta and onto Tranquility. Until more details of how the two games are going to interact are released, there's precious little reason for either playerbase to care and you're wasting critical time hiding behind NDAs that could be used to build up excitement and anticipation in both camps. Frankly, the link is Dust's USP, and right now it appears to those of us on the outside looking in to be a halfassed meaningless gimmick that Eve players will ignore and Dust players will forget about five minutes in. If the extent of the link at launch is making Factional Warfare conquest slightly easier, then there's no reason for any of us to really give a damn. All we're left with at that point is Generic Scifi Shooter #514, and the players will move on to the next one and leave Dust dead in the water long before you have the opportunity to iterate on it and provide something more tangible, or to hook the players and turn them into the sort of long term fans who spend any money on the microtransactions you're relying on to provide income. I want Dust to succeed, but at this late stage there's little on show to make us believe it can do so.
We realize people are anxious to hear more but DUST is not quite in the phase of open collaborative development that EVE is in right now which is not something EVE players are used to / comfortable with (yet unheard of for normal console development). It is what it is.
The lack of discussion however does not equate to a lack of progress, and we'll be sharing some details with the CSM in anticipation of the EVE player base "caring". For now though you'll just have to wait like everyone else. CCP Nullarbor | Exotic Dancer |
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Dennie Fleetfoot
EVE University Ivy League
347
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Posted - 2012.12.11 08:46:00 -
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I think that after the recent town town hall meeting it's clear that interest in Dust from the Eve players is waning to say the least.
Scatim is right about the NDA, you guys have to stop hiding behind it and soon. As much as I love playing the beta the work is going too be for nothing if there isn't a meaningful, tangible and most importantly profitable link with the two games from launch day.
There are other games, we know what they are, that are offer a similar experience. CCP have been somewhat comfortable with the fact that Eve was the only Internet Spaceship game of its kind so could develop ideas at their own pace. The market is awash with FPS games. That pace is now looking like your walking backwards in comparison to the other guys.
There has been talk of the link being just faction based from the start. If that is the case then it's dead, it'll be lucky to last the end of 2013. What is needs is a way of expanding the chances for Eve players to get very rich but only with the co-operation with Dust Players. My personal favourite idea is iteration on the Incursion's with a ground based element to wrestling control of a system from Sansha. Dust players needed to remove them from the planet, Eve players defending them from OB. I'm sure the CSM will have a bunch of new ideas as well.
In any event, the pace of development needs a significant ramp up and it needs to happen very soon. If its not out of closed beta by years end or a MAJOR update to the current build is released with increased corp functionality, less lag, a working frame rate and a working link to players on Sisi then this game is on life support and there is no way I can see it being launched in time for Fanfest. The COD crowd would just laugh at it. Also the cost of items in Dust is just stupid!! Drop suits costing more than a frigate? Get real. Director Of Operations for Dust University
www.twitter.com/DennieFleetfoot |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
662
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Posted - 2012.12.11 08:49:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:We realize people are anxious to hear more but DUST is not quite in the phase of open collaborative development that EVE is in right now which is not something EVE players are used to / comfortable with (yet unheard of for normal console development). It is what it is.
I think his point is that, in the wake of almost zero details about Dust's one major unique aspect, people aren't really anxious anymore. That's bad on a normal day - in a timeframe that has seen the release of both COD Blops 2 and Planetside 2 (the latter of which is also F2P), it's even worse.
The other posts in this thread are proof of that - hell, you've even got a CSM member literally saying "Right now I don't care because I haven't been given a reason to care". When someone from a group of people that volunteered a year of their time to help your company is saying things like that about one of your products - I mean, that's gotta be a bad sign, no? "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Dennie Fleetfoot
EVE University Ivy League
347
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Posted - 2012.12.11 09:13:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:We realize people are anxious to hear more but DUST is not quite in the phase of open collaborative development that EVE is in right now which is not something EVE players are used to / comfortable with (yet unheard of for normal console development). It is what it is.
The lack of discussion however does not equate to a lack of progress, and we'll be sharing some details with the CSM in anticipation of the EVE player base "caring". For now though you'll just have to wait like everyone else.
Except this isn't normal console development is it?
You're wanting link a new game into an established 10 year old game, with beta testers than are mostly players of that 10 year old game in the first place. If you still consider this a normal console game development then we are in in trouble. Director Of Operations for Dust University
www.twitter.com/DennieFleetfoot |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5448
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Posted - 2012.12.11 09:18:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:We have some new things to discuss with the CSM at this summit related to our plans for next year which includes some of the concerns raised in this thread. Unfortunately a lot will be covered by NDA since DUST itself is still in closed beta.
I expect this will change next year though once we go to open beta and onto Tranquility. Until more details of how the two games are going to interact are released, there's precious little reason for either playerbase to care and you're wasting critical time hiding behind NDAs that could be used to build up excitement and anticipation in both camps. Frankly, the link is Dust's USP, and right now it appears to those of us on the outside looking in to be a halfassed meaningless gimmick that Eve players will ignore and Dust players will forget about five minutes in. If the extent of the link at launch is making Factional Warfare conquest slightly easier, then there's no reason for any of us to really give a damn. All we're left with at that point is Generic Scifi Shooter #514, and the players will move on to the next one and leave Dust dead in the water long before you have the opportunity to iterate on it and provide something more tangible, or to hook the players and turn them into the sort of long term fans who spend any money on the microtransactions you're relying on to provide income. I want Dust to succeed, but at this late stage there's little on show to make us believe it can do so.
What Mr Helicon said, I say too.
Candidly, it would be better to have an engaging, meaningful link that supports progressive goals in both games that needs ~iteration~ after launch than it would to have a trivial, meaningless link that works. All the players who are too impatient to let you take a couple of tries to get it right are long gone anyway.
If Dust doen't connect with EVE in an exciting and innovative way, then it will dry up and blow away like autumn leaves. It's more important that the link is worthwhile than that it works perfectly out of the gate.
And the sooner you bring the CSM in on this, the better chance you have to make that link engaging.
MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5448
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Posted - 2012.12.11 09:18:00 -
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Dennie Fleetfoot wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:We realize people are anxious to hear more but DUST is not quite in the phase of open collaborative development that EVE is in right now which is not something EVE players are used to / comfortable with (yet unheard of for normal console development). It is what it is.
The lack of discussion however does not equate to a lack of progress, and we'll be sharing some details with the CSM in anticipation of the EVE player base "caring". For now though you'll just have to wait like everyone else. Except this isn't normal console development is it? You're wanting to link a new game into an established 10 year old game, with beta testers than are mostly players of that 10 year old game in the first place. If you still consider this a normal console game development then we are in trouble.
Boom
headshot MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1115
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Posted - 2012.12.11 09:27:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:We realize people are anxious to hear more but DUST is not quite in the phase of open collaborative development that EVE is in right now which is not something EVE players are used to / comfortable with (yet unheard of for normal console development). It is what it is.
The lack of discussion however does not equate to a lack of progress, and we'll be sharing some details with the CSM in anticipation of the EVE player base "caring". For now though you'll just have to wait like everyone else. The nightmare scenario for Dust is this:
- DUST released, the Eve/Dust link is faction warfare only. CCP promises deeper more meaningful links in future.
- PS3 players play it casually for a while because its the latest FPS available.
- The next Space Battlefield Call of Honour FPS franchise sequel is released.
- Everyone jumps ship because the Eve link USP hasn't been deep enough to get the playerbase hooked.
- A far more meaningful Eve link is released.
- Nobody in the PS3 playerbase cares: they've moved on to the next Space Battlefield Call Of Honour franchise sequel, the only people left playing Dust are Eve subscribers who also own a PS3.
You need to be damn sure that link is enough to get its hooks into the PS3 playerbase straight away. Eve players have been patient waiting for iteration on needed features because we have the years of player-generated content and there's little in the way of truly open sandbox MMO competition. Dust doesn't have that, and the FPS market is much more competitive - unless you can hammer into the PS3 players from long before release that this isn't just another generic future FPS and deliver as such from day 1, they'll never treat it as anything beyond another FPS to occupy them for a couple of months, and they won't wait 6 months or a year for an expansion which provides what has been promised.
More importantly for your business model, they'll never become the type of dedicated long term fan who puts their hand in their pocket and gets their credit card out for the weapon and vehicle varients that will be available through the microtransaction market. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1115
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Posted - 2012.12.11 10:22:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:We realize people are anxious to hear more but DUST is not quite in the phase of open collaborative development that EVE is in right now which is not something EVE players are used to / comfortable with (yet unheard of for normal console development). It is what it is. I think his point is that, in the wake of almost zero details about Dust's one major unique aspect, people aren't really anxious anymore. Pretty much. A couple of years ago, we were anxious - "Oh my, what will this mean for Eve, how will we have to adapt, are we all going to have to go out and buy consoles/enlist console players to defend our TCUs or moon mining POSs, will alliance income need to be funnelled to Dust players to help invade hostile space?" Now, we're just apathetic, we've been kept waiting so long and heard so little new information from behind the NDA iron curtain, and the FW link is so flimsy that we may as well be discussing the latest Call Of Duty or Planetside or some other game totally unconnected to Eve.
If the silence continues, you risk making us actively hostile to the project - "To hell with it, the Emperor obviously has no clothes, the Eve link is a pointless gimmick and Dust is going to be stillborn, hurry up and release this rubbish quickly so it can die ASAP and CCP can get back to working on Eve instead of tipping our subscription money into the Dust black hole". Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Blastil
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
25
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Posted - 2012.12.11 14:58:00 -
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can those courier missions where you pick up the marines be turned into missions where you pick up dust bunnies and shuffle them around planets? |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
676
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Posted - 2012.12.11 17:45:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:We have some new things to discuss with the CSM at this summit related to our plans for next year which includes some of the concerns raised in this thread. Unfortunately a lot will be covered by NDA since DUST itself is still in closed beta.
I expect this will change next year though once we go to open beta and onto Tranquility. Until more details of how the two games are going to interact are released, there's precious little reason for either playerbase to care and you're wasting critical time hiding behind NDAs that could be used to build up excitement and anticipation in both camps. Frankly, the link is Dust's USP, and right now it appears to those of us on the outside looking in to be a halfassed meaningless gimmick that Eve players will ignore and Dust players will forget about five minutes in. If the extent of the link at launch is making Factional Warfare conquest slightly easier, then there's no reason for any of us to really give a damn. All we're left with at that point is Generic Scifi Shooter #514, and the players will move on to the next one and leave Dust dead in the water long before you have the opportunity to iterate on it and provide something more tangible, or to hook the players and turn them into the sort of long term fans who spend any money on the microtransactions you're relying on to provide income. I want Dust to succeed, but at this late stage there's little on show to make us believe it can do so. We realize people are anxious to hear more but DUST is not quite in the phase of open collaborative development that EVE is in right now which is not something EVE players are used to / comfortable with (yet unheard of for normal console development). It is what it is. The lack of discussion however does not equate to a lack of progress, and we'll be sharing some details with the CSM in anticipation of the EVE player base "caring". For now though you'll just have to wait like everyone else.
I think you misunderstand. It isn't that people are anxious because they want to hear Dust info. They are anxious because you guys are engineering a total launch failure here. You have already had people saying there would be no real link at launch. This means DUST is DOA. If you guys don't understand that, there is no feedback we can give you that will make you understand it.
I am primarily a console gamer, EVE is the only game I play on PC now. The console world has different rules than the PC. You will not get a 2nd chance with iteration. If there is no "hook" on day 1, kiss Dust goodbye as far as being a success long term.
When your biggest word of mouth market (EVE players) don't even care about DUST, I don't know why you would think console gamers will care. They are off to oohhh shiny every 60-90 days.
Maybe you are going to unveil some new shiny, that goes against previous comments about features on launch. What we are saying is, if you don't, you are screwed. You are better off delaying the launch than launching half ass. We all want DUST to succeed and grow EVE, with the details we have about the system today, it will not. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
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