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Darenthul
SUPERIOR RESOURCES
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Posted - 2012.12.04 13:41:00 -
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I was informed I couldn't anchor Freight Cans, is this true? Can you not jettison them from Freighters as of Retribution? (I thought since it stated that Freighters could jettison, it meant they could jettison the only can they could use), and would I not be able to anchor them if I could? |
Nu Genesis
Underverse Industries
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:37:00 -
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What type of container are you trying to anchor and where? You should absolutely be able to jettison from the Freighter as of Retribution, however, the same stipulations would be in place. (IE Would not be able to anchor something like a General Freight Container in space) |
Darenthul
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:39:00 -
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Nu Genesis wrote:What type of container are you trying to anchor and where? You should absolutely be able to jettison from the Freighter as of Retribution, however, the same stipulations would be in place. (IE Would not be able to anchor something like a General Freight Container in space)
I had reposted this in general and had it addressed already.
I wasn't aware Freight Containers were unanchorable, the plan was to anchor them in belts and pick them up with a Freighter later. Instead we're going to use them like super-large jetcans (since 250k ones exist now) and keep them by the Orca, then come pick it up on a Freighter later on. |
Supabad
Grim Determination Clockworks Inc. Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2012.12.12 21:11:00 -
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I don't think once you jet a freight container that you can access in terms of a barge putting ore into the jettisoned container. |
Darenthul
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Posted - 2012.12.12 21:19:00 -
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Supabad wrote:I don't think once you jet a freight container that you can access in terms of a barge putting ore into the jettisoned container.
This is what I'm wanting to confirm before I shell out the bill for a Freighter. "I find mining to be an incredibly relaxing thing to do after work. It's like fishing without waking up early. Or cold. But the beer, the beer is the same." - arramdaywalker |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2012.12.12 22:45:00 -
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Darenthul wrote:Nu Genesis wrote:What type of container are you trying to anchor and where? You should absolutely be able to jettison from the Freighter as of Retribution, however, the same stipulations would be in place. (IE Would not be able to anchor something like a General Freight Container in space) I had reposted this in general and had it addressed already. I wasn't aware Freight Containers were unanchorable, the plan was to anchor them in belts and pick them up with a Freighter later. Instead we're going to use them like super-large jetcans (since 250k ones exist now) and keep them by the Orca, then come pick it up on a Freighter later on.
They can create jetcans and can jettison and pick up freighter containers only. Because a jetcan really isn't a "container" they can pick up goods inside them.
They cannot be anchored, but really the only thing that can pick these up are other freighters, so if someone is able to come in and "can flip" you with a freighter, you couldn't have wanted those ores to badly.
Best option is to have a freighter drop off the cans, and an Orca to move between them grabbing the ore. If you're in a system that has can flippers or high activity you might have issues but really a can flipper will only be able to grab about a jetcans worth of ore every 3 minutes. |
Supabad
Grim Determination Clockworks Inc. Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2012.12.12 23:40:00 -
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So your mining in a belt. To access the freight container. Youwould open the jet can then right click on the freight container inside the jet can and put the ore in the freight container that way? |
Dar Saleem
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.12 23:54:00 -
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You can jet a freight container from a freighter and it is accessable
They CANNOT be anchored.
They DO NOT appear to despawn ( had a few floating since retribution)
They can be scooped by anyone else
I drop my cans at a safe spot, jump the orca to cans to unload and then come with a freighter later as where I am mining the nearest station is 2-3 jumps |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2012.12.12 23:55:00 -
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Supabad wrote:So your mining in a belt. To access the freight container. Youwould open the jet can then right click on the freight container inside the jet can and put the ore in the freight container that way?
You should be able to just open freighter can and drag / drop like you would any type of can. |
Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services The Possum Lodge
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Posted - 2012.12.13 00:20:00 -
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All the joy of the pirates that are reading this thread...lol makes me giggle inside http://blog.beyondreality.se/shift-click-does-nothing -á-á < Unified Inventory is NOT ready... |
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2012.12.13 15:15:00 -
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It would seem this option has been added to return the can flipping option. Nobody jetcan mines anymore as a Mack ore hold can hold far more than a jetcan.
These new containers can be jettisoned and used as huge jetcans. Containers in space can not be locked unless they are anchored. Freight containers can not be anchored so can not be locked. Anyone can access them just like a jetcan. I would expect that if these do not despawn it is a bug as even an unanchored GSC would despawn after a few hours. Even an anchored can would despawn after what 2 weeks if not accessed.
If they do not despawn that is awesome. Using these for mining is a great way to have a massive storage available in a belt or at a safe spot in a system without a station. But it is a risk as anyone can flip the can. Although they would need a freighter to do so if they wanted to steal more than a jetcans worth of ore.
Personally I think this is a great addition. It adds another option for miners to pull in much larger hauls of ore, but at a greater risk. t would have been way over powered if you could anchor these new containers. Imagine being able to anchor a massive container anywhere, and have a locked secure storage of that size anywhere. That seems that it would be OP to me.
I have not tested yet but can you not jetison a packaged station container and use it? I know if you jetison a packaged ship it would assemble and be boardable. At least it used to. I have done this in the past with packaged cruisers in an Itty V. If these containers work the same way you could have a jetcan with 1 million or 10 million m3 capacity. You can not scoop the containers but if a freighter can pull the ore from them they could make good massive temporary storage stations. Although not secured. |
Darenthul
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Posted - 2012.12.13 15:44:00 -
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I should note, we've decided as a fleet to just have a Freighter on hand at all times now, jetcan, Orca drags cans to itself and the Freighter, Freighter loots.
Removes risk of losing cans, allows us to fill the Freighter entirely each trip, albeit it takes up another miner slot it should be more effective and allows us to take large mining excursions to other systems if the fields are low in our homebase.
Also I don't want to risk a can of 250,000 m3 of ore disappearing. "I find mining to be an incredibly relaxing thing to do after work. It's like fishing without waking up early. Or cold. But the beer, the beer is the same." - arramdaywalker |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2012.12.13 16:14:00 -
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Darenthul wrote:I should note, we've decided as a fleet to just have a Freighter on hand at all times now, jetcan, Orca drags cans to itself and the Freighter, Freighter loots.
Removes risk of losing cans, allows us to fill the Freighter entirely each trip, albeit it takes up another miner slot it should be more effective and allows us to take large mining excursions to other systems if the fields are low in our homebase.
Also I don't want to risk a can of 250,000 m3 of ore disappearing. A station warehouse holds 100 mil m3 but only takes up 100,000m3 packaged. Can these be jettisoned and used? Do they auto assemble when jettisoned like ships do? |
Supabad
Grim Determination Clockworks Inc. Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2012.12.13 16:23:00 -
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Well flippers are not a concern in my are but instead of flipping I've heard of folk just shooting the container. So I guess that would be something to watch out for. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2012.12.13 16:38:00 -
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Supabad wrote:Well flippers are not a concern in my are but instead of flipping I've heard of folk just shooting the container. So I guess that would be something to watch out for. big potetial problem there. the OLD GSC's players used to anchore had 500,000 structure HP. No HP stat on the new containers. Either they are indestructible or will pop in one shot from a frigate. |
Darenthul
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Posted - 2012.12.13 17:07:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Darenthul wrote:I should note, we've decided as a fleet to just have a Freighter on hand at all times now, jetcan, Orca drags cans to itself and the Freighter, Freighter loots.
Removes risk of losing cans, allows us to fill the Freighter entirely each trip, albeit it takes up another miner slot it should be more effective and allows us to take large mining excursions to other systems if the fields are low in our homebase.
Also I don't want to risk a can of 250,000 m3 of ore disappearing. A station warehouse holds 100 mil m3 but only takes up 100,000m3 packaged. Can these be jettisoned and used? Do they auto assemble when jettisoned like ships do?
I assume they only do if anchored. "I find mining to be an incredibly relaxing thing to do after work. It's like fishing without waking up early. Or cold. But the beer, the beer is the same." - arramdaywalker |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2012.12.13 17:27:00 -
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Darenthul wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Darenthul wrote:I should note, we've decided as a fleet to just have a Freighter on hand at all times now, jetcan, Orca drags cans to itself and the Freighter, Freighter loots.
Removes risk of losing cans, allows us to fill the Freighter entirely each trip, albeit it takes up another miner slot it should be more effective and allows us to take large mining excursions to other systems if the fields are low in our homebase.
Also I don't want to risk a can of 250,000 m3 of ore disappearing. A station warehouse holds 100 mil m3 but only takes up 100,000m3 packaged. Can these be jettisoned and used? Do they auto assemble when jettisoned like ships do? I assume they only do if anchored. I read someone has had a 250,000m3 can floating in space since retribution was launched and it has not despawned yet, even through several down times.
you can not anchor the new containers. but you can access and use them after they are in space. Since they can not be anchored they can not be locked. this makes them no more secure than a jetcan. But to have a jetcan with 250,000 m3 storage could be very useful. If you can do the same with packaged containers then you can now have a jetcan up to 100,000,000m3 that will last for days.
I know that if you jetison a ship from the cargo of an indy it assembles and is available to board after jettisoned. I thought that perhaps since the new containers are also to large to fit in a jetcan that they to would also auto assemble when jetisoned.
This would of course make the containers larger than a freighters hold and thus unscoopable, but if they could be used as short term storage in an asteroid belt or at a safe spot it could be a useful tool. they cost so little to build, you can afford for them to be throw away one use cans.
I plan on testing this, just have not got on to do it yet. |
Supabad
Grim Determination Clockworks Inc. Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2012.12.13 17:31:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Darenthul wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Darenthul wrote:I should note, we've decided as a fleet to just have a Freighter on hand at all times now, jetcan, Orca drags cans to itself and the Freighter, Freighter loots.
Removes risk of losing cans, allows us to fill the Freighter entirely each trip, albeit it takes up another miner slot it should be more effective and allows us to take large mining excursions to other systems if the fields are low in our homebase.
Also I don't want to risk a can of 250,000 m3 of ore disappearing. A station warehouse holds 100 mil m3 but only takes up 100,000m3 packaged. Can these be jettisoned and used? Do they auto assemble when jettisoned like ships do? I assume they only do if anchored. I read someone has had a 250,000m3 can floating in space since retribution was launched and it has not despawned yet, even through several down times. you can not anchor the new containers. but you can access and use them after they are in space. Since they can not be anchored they can not be locked. this makes them no more secure than a jetcan. But to have a jetcan with 250,000 m3 storage could be very useful. If you can do the same with packaged containers then you can now have a jetcan up to 100,000,000m3 that will last for days. I know that if you jetison a ship from the cargo of an indy it assembles and is available to board after jettisoned. I thought that perhaps since the new containers are also to large to fit in a jetcan that they to would also auto assemble when jetisoned. This would of course make the containers larger than a freighters hold and thus unscoopable, but if they could be used as short term storage in an asteroid belt or at a safe spot it could be a useful tool. they cost so little to build, you can afford for them to be throw away one use cans. I plan on testing this, just have not got on to do it yet.
If you get a chance check the hit points and such to please
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2012.12.13 17:39:00 -
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Supabad wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Darenthul wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Darenthul wrote:I should note, we've decided as a fleet to just have a Freighter on hand at all times now, jetcan, Orca drags cans to itself and the Freighter, Freighter loots.
Removes risk of losing cans, allows us to fill the Freighter entirely each trip, albeit it takes up another miner slot it should be more effective and allows us to take large mining excursions to other systems if the fields are low in our homebase.
Also I don't want to risk a can of 250,000 m3 of ore disappearing. A station warehouse holds 100 mil m3 but only takes up 100,000m3 packaged. Can these be jettisoned and used? Do they auto assemble when jettisoned like ships do? I assume they only do if anchored. I read someone has had a 250,000m3 can floating in space since retribution was launched and it has not despawned yet, even through several down times. you can not anchor the new containers. but you can access and use them after they are in space. Since they can not be anchored they can not be locked. this makes them no more secure than a jetcan. But to have a jetcan with 250,000 m3 storage could be very useful. If you can do the same with packaged containers then you can now have a jetcan up to 100,000,000m3 that will last for days. I know that if you jetison a ship from the cargo of an indy it assembles and is available to board after jettisoned. I thought that perhaps since the new containers are also to large to fit in a jetcan that they to would also auto assemble when jetisoned. This would of course make the containers larger than a freighters hold and thus unscoopable, but if they could be used as short term storage in an asteroid belt or at a safe spot it could be a useful tool. they cost so little to build, you can afford for them to be throw away one use cans. I plan on testing this, just have not got on to do it yet. If you get a chance check the hit points and such to please there is no structure hitpoints on the show info. i know the GSC's have 500,000 Structure. These may be insta popable like jetcans. I will need to test this too. |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
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Posted - 2012.12.13 18:17:00 -
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I think the safest way to use these with a mining op with only one orca would be to have the freighter drop the can at a safespot. The orca stays put, the miners go offload at the can. That way the bonus stays all the time. One miner warping out and back and losing some yield is better than everyone losing yield when the orca warps out and back.
The odds of that being flipped are much less, as it would take a few people scouting and scanning. To lessen the odds even more, the freighter could drop several cans, and people just randomly pick one to drop off at each time.
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
299
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Posted - 2012.12.13 20:39:00 -
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Well just got in game to test a few things, and there is no option to jettison or launch the packaged station container, or vault.
So It looks like the freight containers assembled and launched from a freighter are the only option. Would be nice if we could anchor them though. |
Supabad
Grim Determination Clockworks Inc. Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2012.12.13 20:42:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Well just got in game to test a few things, and there is no option to jettison or launch the packaged station container, or vault.
So It looks like the freight containers assembled and launched from a freighter are the only option. Would be nice if we could anchor them though.
Are they insta poppable or? |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
299
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Posted - 2012.12.13 20:50:00 -
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Supabad wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Well just got in game to test a few things, and there is no option to jettison or launch the packaged station container, or vault.
So It looks like the freight containers assembled and launched from a freighter are the only option. Would be nice if we could anchor them though. Are they insta poppable or?
Couldn't launch them. Not even at a POS. And can not assemble them inside a POS CHA.
I don't have any freight containers yet as the only BPO's I have come across are resales by players and the prices seem a little high.
Anyone willing to share where the freight container BPO's are seeded? I have checked 5 regional markets and not seen any not being sold by other players. |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
118
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Posted - 2012.12.13 21:15:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Supabad wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Well just got in game to test a few things, and there is no option to jettison or launch the packaged station container, or vault.
So It looks like the freight containers assembled and launched from a freighter are the only option. Would be nice if we could anchor them though. Are they insta poppable or? Couldn't launch them. Not even at a POS. And can not assemble them inside a POS CHA. I don't have any freight containers yet as the only BPO's I have come across are resales by players and the prices seem a little high. I got a full set of station container BPO's for less than the lowest priced freight container I have seen so far. Anyone willing to share where the freight container BPO's are seeded? I have checked 5 regional markets and not seen any not being sold by other players. edit: WTF I have checked every region in high sec I have a market alt in and no seeded freight container BPO's. Only player sell orders. Were these seeded in NPC Null?
From the dev blog:
Quote:Freighters and jump freighters have been upgraded with a jettison tube and can freely jettison, scoop and move items between containers. They are still not able to load or scoop assembled containers into their cargo hold, except freight containers
They can create jetcans (as these are not actual containers). They can move / take items from containers (and fleet hangars, wrecks, etc). [b]BUT [/b ]they ca only jettison and pick up assembled freighter containers.
These containers shouldn't be anchorable or password protected IMO. If they did either of these you would see hundreds of these containers in every belt. You would see players anchoring them in random safe spots in systems with no station and mining to them and basically removing the major limiting factor in mining which is the logistics of mining storage and the progression from roid to barge to station.
Currently they last as long as other containers in space which is good enough. The only thing you have to worry about is another freighter "can flipping" you, which I'll say again; if a freighter is able to come in and steal your ore, you couldn't have wanted that ore very much anyways. What they offer are already a huge benefit, and adding more benefits will have a negative impact on everyone. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
299
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Posted - 2012.12.13 21:33:00 -
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Very true, if they could be anchored or locked they would eliminate the logistics hassle in all systems without stations. They still can do that, but with the risk of getting your stuff stolen.
So the question left is hitpoints.
Are these new freight containers instapop like jetcans or hard to pop like GSC's?
GSC's show 500,000 structure points in their info. New freight containers do not show the stat. Is it zero? Is it just not shown/oversight? or Is it they are indestructible.
P.S. found the BPO's for the freight containers seeded in Sing Laison |
Supabad
Grim Determination Clockworks Inc. Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2012.12.13 22:00:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:I did read the dev blog and understood they could not load, or scoop ASSEMBLED containers other than freight containers. But it said nothing about packaged containers.
As you can or at least used to be able to jettison packaged ships from indys. You could jettison a packaged cruiser out of a itty 5 and it would spawn as an assembled ship you could board. I thought the new station container might be the same. The dev blog did not comment on packaged containers. But they do not have an option to jettison them.
I argee, if they could be anchored or locked they would eliminate the logistics hassle in all systems without stations. They still can do that, but with the risk of getting your stuff stolen.
So the question left is hitpoints.
Are these new freight containers instapop like jetcans or hard to pop like GSC's?
GSC's show 500,000 structure points in their info. New freight containers do not show the stat. Is it zero? Is it just not shown/oversight? or Is it they are indestructible.
P.S. found the BPO's for the freight containers seeded in Sing Laison
If funds are needed for this expiriment depending on amount I'm willing to help |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
299
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Posted - 2012.12.13 22:07:00 -
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Time is my issue more than funds. But I will accept any donations. I actually do not have a freighter atm. Didn't use it for a few months so I sold it. Should be able to launch the huge freight container from my ORCA though. Mechanics should be the same. Will drop and try to pop some tomorrow if I can.
BPO's for freight containers are only seeded at stations owned by Roden Shipyards. 4 mil for the enormous freight BPO less than half what they are selling for in Jita.
There is a Roden Shipyards station in Iyen-Oursta 2 jumps from Jita. |
Hae Sung
Da Learnin Corp
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Posted - 2012.12.13 22:29:00 -
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I tried this today, with poor results.
Loaded up my freighter with 3x Enormous Freight Containers (250k m3 storage), flew to a bookmark at a belt I would be mining, and unloaded the cans.
Freighter was able to pick up and jettison from the cans freely. Freighter was able to pick up ore from jet cans freely. However, when another member of my corporation and in the same fleet tried to drop ore into the freight can, I got an error message and the can flashed yellow. Error message (paraphrased) was to the effect of "You cannot put items into a container that does not belong to you, and does not belong to a member of your fleet or corporation."
I'm a little stumped at this point on what to do. Goal was to tractor beam the freight containers around with the orca and follow my fleet in a belt - then just pick up the container once when the container was full with the freighter. |
Supabad
Grim Determination Clockworks Inc. Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2012.12.13 22:54:00 -
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Hae Sung wrote:I tried this today, with poor results.
Loaded up my freighter with 3x Enormous Freight Containers (250k m3 storage), flew to a bookmark at a belt I would be mining, and unloaded the cans.
Freighter was able to pick up and jettison from the cans freely. Freighter was able to pick up ore from jet cans freely. However, when another member of my corporation and in the same fleet tried to drop ore into the freight can, I got an error message and the can flashed yellow. Error message (paraphrased) was to the effect of "You cannot put items into a container that does not belong to you, and does not belong to a member of your fleet or corporation."
I'm a little stumped at this point on what to do. Goal was to tractor beam the freight containers around with the orca and follow my fleet in a belt - then just pick up the container once when the container was full with the freighter.
May have something to do with settings. And also with the new xpac you should have a little green button next to your HUD if you make it yellow u might be able to? |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1170
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Posted - 2012.12.14 00:49:00 -
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Supabad wrote:May have something to do with settings. And also with the new xpac you should have a little green button next to your HUD if you make it yellow u might be able to? Miners and freighter pilots do not want to be flagged as suspects |
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