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Spinal	Posted - 2005.05.07 13:38:00 - [61] gank ??? how do u gank in a 1 v 1 battleship?? fight? Mega vs raven?
Dark Big	Posted - 2005.05.07 13:40:00 - [62] Originally by: Chowdown Dude you can gank, well done, you have learnt pvp level 1. rong i have pvp leval 5 2005.05.06 05:11:00 Victim: Suicide Keen Corporation: Shinra Destroyed Type: Raptor Solar System: VOL-MI System Security Level: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: Dark Big (laid the final blow) Security Status: 0.4 Corporation: BURN EDEN Ship Type: Crow Weapon Type: Bloodclaw Light Missile I 2005.05.06 05:12:00 Victim: Striker Cash Corporation: Shinra Destroyed Type: Raptor Solar System: VOL-MI System Security Level: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: Dark Big (laid the final blow) Security Status: 0.4 Corporation: BURN EDEN Ship Type: Crow Weapon Type: Bloodclaw Light Missile I that was a 2v1 with me on top wow
Chowdown	Posted - 2005.05.07 13:47:00 - [63] Edited by: Chowdown on 07/05/2005 13:49:31 Originally by: Spinal gank ??? how do u gank in a 1 v 1 battleship?? fight? Mega vs raven? LOL almost worthy of a sig position, whats an NPCng setup? Whats a ganking setup. I don't think you get the point, no one cares. New Shinra Kill system, please be patient were still ironing out the finer points!!
Dark Big	Posted - 2005.05.07 13:48:00 - [64] Originally by: Chowdown I don't think you get the point, no one cares. your reading this so you do carre
PhasmaNL	Posted - 2005.05.07 13:58:00 - [65] Originally by: Ange1 Shinra does not support such actions by our members and any member found doing it will be dealt with severely. I personally dealt with a case the other day and the PIE member I spoke to was most understanding and co-operative. I made sure to deal with the matter promptly. Uhu... Check this: Screenie ----------- FIX Diplomat, FIX Councillor & Arcane Industries [ARIN] CEO
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.05.07 14:08:00 - [66] Originally by: Chowdown Dude you can gank, well done, you have learnt pvp level 1. Unfortunatly Shinra haven't trained up the pre-requisites for the pvp skills. AKA, common sense lvl 5. You sent 15 ships to fight 2 of us, and still couldnt do anything. ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Kcel Chim	Posted - 2005.05.07 14:29:00 - [67] Originally by: fugazii read the entire of what i said, then post. usually makes for a more intelligent arguement, thxs. It also makes for a more intelligent argument if you are able to comprehend the information given. The dude in question (before logging) was ganked. Not by 1 enemy fitted for running but by a few. Now i dont know your understanding of numbers but i for one would say that once the enemy bs number exceeds the solopilot its rather unimportant how many lowslots the attackers wasted on Wc's... Especially as in many cases (tho i dont think this one belongs to it) BE have/had a special love for EW gank ravens who dont require much skill or lowslots to do their work against almost all solopilots) I know you in particular have an issue with that, smacking from safespots on the forums doesnt require basic math and gameunderstanding.
Tholarim	Posted - 2005.05.07 14:32:00 - [68] Edited by: Tholarim on 07/05/2005 14:32:26
Malken	Posted - 2005.05.07 14:53:00 - [69] Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: fugazii read the entire of what i said, then post. usually makes for a more intelligent arguement, thxs. It also makes for a more intelligent argument if you are able to comprehend the information given. The dude in question (before logging) was ganked. Not by 1 enemy fitted for running but by a few. Now i dont know your understanding of numbers but i for one would say that once the enemy bs number exceeds the solopilot its rather unimportant how many lowslots the attackers wasted on Wc's... Especially as in many cases (tho i dont think this one belongs to it) BE have/had a special love for EW gank ravens who dont require much skill or lowslots to do their work against almost all solopilots) I know you in particular have an issue with that, smacking from safespots on the forums doesnt require basic math and gameunderstanding. so does ATUK mean that it is ok to logoff if you are getting ganked by several ships?
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.05.07 15:22:00 - [70] We had 1 tempest and 1 inty shooting him. Hadly a gank. I dont see what this has to do with it anyway. ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Xendie	Posted - 2005.05.07 15:37:00 - [71] Originally by: Shin Ra We had 1 tempest and 1 inty shooting him. Hadly a gank. I dont see what this has to do with it anyway. i think that it might be a point towards atuk & shinra's credibility on their arguments in this thread and in previous threads where they have flamed as much they could when someone else logged off.
Masta Killa	Posted - 2005.05.07 15:52:00 - [72] Let go of the "but they were 1v1" crap You know damn well that 6 stabs and 4 jammers/damps against some dude who's getting pounded by a couple of 750k npc's isn't as fair a fight as you try to call it. And fugazii you of all people should know that burn eden are just griefers with little rl egos and that they must grief as much as possible to keep the tiny rl ego afloat. -------------------------------------- We are The Collective. Resistance is futile.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.05.07 15:55:00 - [73] Originally by: Masta Killa Let go of the "but they were 1v1" crap You know damn well that 6 stabs and 4 jammers/damps against some dude who's getting pounded by a couple of 750k npc's isn't as fair a fight as you try to call it. And fugazii you of all people should know that burn eden are just griefers with little rl egos and that they must grief as much as possible to keep the tiny rl ego afloat. You will notice it was at a stargate, with no npcs. No EW was involved. ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Xendie	Posted - 2005.05.07 15:59:00 - [74] Originally by: Masta Killa Let go of the "but they were 1v1" crap You know damn well that 6 stabs and 4 jammers/damps against some dude who's getting pounded by a couple of 750k npc's isn't as fair a fight as you try to call it. And fugazii you of all people should know that burn eden are just griefers with little rl egos and that they must grief as much as possible to keep the tiny rl ego afloat. but still he logged off while under fire. and according to all other shinra and atuk posts that are totally unacceptable and if i remember correct shinra and atuk even called for those corps to disband since they were so dishonorable. are shinra and atuk going to follow their own suggestions?
Kcel Chim	Posted - 2005.05.07 16:01:00 - [75] Originally by: Malken so does ATUK mean that it is ok to logoff if you are getting ganked by several ships? Fine attempt to put words in my mouth sadly it failed right when u started to post. I personally dislike logging in combat under any circumstances as my corp does aswell. However i dont see BE as any moral "instance" to whine about others. I know full well Shinra will take steps against their member in question, which is already more then half of the self claimed white nights would do. BE is so desperately fishing for attention its evening filling amusement. Must be sad if you are a nobody corp whos only "success" is measured in blowing your own horn about 10 ganks you scored and your superior skill in flying ECM wc ships running for ss and logging as soon as something comes you cant handle. Everyone his "joy" i guess just rest assured you wont make it anywhere near the top with that attitude and ppl will take anything you write with the needed smirk of irony. In the end your post achieved only 1 thing, 1 guy (be it now ex shinra or still a member) got punished with shinra showing their true colors backing their words by actions. More then you guys will ever achieve....
Xendie	Posted - 2005.05.07 16:10:00 - [76] Originally by: Kcel Chim Originally by: Malken so does ATUK mean that it is ok to logoff if you are getting ganked by several ships? Fine attempt to put words in my mouth sadly it failed right when u started to post. I personally dislike logging in combat under any circumstances as my corp does aswell. However i dont see BE as any moral "instance" to whine about others. I know full well Shinra will take steps against their member in question, which is already more then half of the self claimed white nights would do. BE is so desperately fishing for attention its evening filling amusement. Must be sad if you are a nobody corp whos only "success" is measured in blowing your own horn about 10 ganks you scored and your superior skill in flying ECM wc ships running for ss and logging as soon as something comes you cant handle. Everyone his "joy" i guess just rest assured you wont make it anywhere near the top with that attitude and ppl will take anything you write with the needed smirk of irony. In the end your post achieved only 1 thing, 1 guy (be it now ex shinra or still a member) got punished with shinra showing their true colors backing their words by actions. More then you guys will ever achieve.... im not putting words in your mouth. your corporation has has extensive opinions on this matter and on how it should be delt with in the past. now when it is one of you/your friends the horn that you blow dont have the same tune. hipocritical? certainly yes. maybe shinra and atuk shouldnt be so quick to judge others in the future and keep their trap shut before they open it on these forums. unless you wish to end up in this kind of predicament more. with shinra members posting here that "logging off isnt a exploit" yet in other thread the same member have been screaming for bans for the other person doing the exact same thing that he says is perfectly ok in this thread. doesnt that sound like "lets bend it way past beckham" ? just my .2 isk on the matter
Jhodas	Posted - 2005.05.07 17:23:00 - [77] Originally by: Kcel Chim Must be sad if you are a nobody corp whos only "success" is measured in blowing your own horn about 10 ganks you scored and your superior skill in flying ECM wc ships running for ss and logging as soon as something comes you cant handle. omgpmsl! To be perfectly honest, I couldnt give 2 flyin ducks about what happened, how shinra intend to deal with it. It's none of my business. However, I feel I am entitled to an opinion. 1) I dislike people who log in combat. 2) I dislike Burn Eden. 3) Stabs indicate fear of losing a ship. If you're flying something you can't afford/are unwilling to lose in a pvp situation, you shouldn't really be flying it. People get killed in pvp. Surviving is nice, but I personally prefer a dmg mod or two over a stab. 4) IMO Logging in combat IS and exploit. I got siggy!!
Lord Draco	Posted - 2005.05.07 19:32:00 - [78] LOL at this thread. Nice to know we got our noob fan club yet. I see you even got spinal in your corp. It's all coming together now. Here is a hint, your only relevance exists on the forums.
0Virtu0	Posted - 2005.05.07 19:53:00 - [79] Edited by: 0Virtu0 on 07/05/2005 19:54:27 Personally, all I see of this thread is after Shinra saying a while ago that their members never log, someone posts providing proof that Shinra's statements are lies and then the entire [5] alliance starts forum whoring this forum thread because "they never lie" and eventually leading to a lock of the thread to attempt to cover up the truth that Shinra DO log. *Edited for grammar. ---------------------------------- I play EvE and I don't even get a stupid signature.
Lord Draco	Posted - 2005.05.07 19:58:00 - [80] First off all, he didnt log, he crashed. Anyone that knows Paul knows his Internet connection is as relable as BE is honorable. If all you see is that, did you miss the part about BE posting pointless killmails and****azii flaming us? I am sure you did as ppl tend to believe whatever they want to.
Heinky	Posted - 2005.05.07 20:01:00 - [81] Originally by: Masta Killa Let go of the "but they were 1v1" crap You know damn well that 6 stabs and 4 jammers/damps against some dude who's getting pounded by a couple of 750k npc's isn't as fair a fight as you try to call it. And fugazii you of all people should know that burn eden are just griefers with little rl egos and that they must grief as much as possible to keep the tiny rl ego afloat. Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Lord Draco	Posted - 2005.05.07 20:02:00 - [82] Simple go ask you Botox buddies about his connection and him in general. Or would you rather use this as a tool for cheap propaganda. Either way, I am not fussed as I dont care about anyone but my friends in this game.
Konietzko	Posted - 2005.05.07 20:05:00 - [83] Man this thread is funny. Does everyone really think that a corp the size of Shinra (or any corp) can be accountable for all of their members? While it may have been a mistake for Shinra to state that "Their members never log", if they did in fact state that, it's sure as hell not the entire corp's fault for the actions of one pilot. Corporations in EVE are ficticious, it's a collection of individuals that pay the same monthly fee, nothing more. Some are closer friends than others, and some are more mature that others, but in every single corp there will be someone that lets the rest of the corp down. That doesn't mean it's the corporations fault. Nobody can expect anyone in this game to be accountable for what some other subscriber does. Even if they fight on the same side under the same flag. Who cares if some other player logs? It's his right to do so. He pays the monthly fee, and he can do whatever he wants within the game mechanic limitations. If he does something outside of those limitations then it's up to the GMs to punish the individual, not the corporation he/she was a member of. All a corporation can really do is "ask" players to follow a certain set of rules, they can't force them to. --- Konietzko [botox bandits]
0Virtu0	Posted - 2005.05.07 20:07:00 - [84] Edited by: 0Virtu0 on 07/05/2005 20:09:11 Originally by: Lord Draco First off all, he didnt log, he crashed. Anyone that knows Paul knows his Internet connection is as relable as BE is honorable. If all you see is that, did you miss the part about BE posting pointless killmails and**azii flaming us? I am sure you did as ppl tend to believe whatever they want to. Well...lets start from the top, the first flaming begins with Hastrabull of Supremecy with a "WTS wcs BPO" and "Burn Eden is not worth attention" comments and then Chowdown with a similiar comment then Kcel Chrim with a jumble of flaming toward Burn Eden, then AvanCade. And this is the first page, so it seems to me as if you guys began the flaming. And about wether or not he crashed or was disconnected, who knows, but we've had our share of loggers in combat situations from 5, not going to name any of them, however. And finally, yes, it is the right of a person to log off whenever he wants, but it is wrong for people to post "omg my corp never ever logs off" and then freak out and call bull** on anyone who says one of them did. ---------------------------------- I play EvE and I don't even get a stupid signature.
Konietzko	Posted - 2005.05.07 20:07:00 - [85] Originally by: Lord Draco First off all, he didnt log, he crashed. Anyone that knows Paul knows his Internet connection is as relable as BE is honorable. Knowing Paul Tibbets, this definitly makes the most sense. I believe this 150%. --- Konietzko [botox bandits]
Lord Draco	Posted - 2005.05.07 20:15:00 - [86] Edited by: Lord Draco on 07/05/2005 20:15:49 Thx Konietzko, I know you have know him as long as many of us have. That being said, he is leaving Shinra but I don't want anyone from this thread thinking it was because of your lame propaganda posts. Because tbh, unless a Burn Eden guy was sitting at Paul's PC and saw him log off I wouldnt take your word for it as you mean that little to me.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.05.07 20:46:00 - [87] Originally by: Lord Draco First off all, he didnt log, he crashed. Anyone that knows Paul knows his Internet connection is as relable as BE is honorable. If all you see is that, did you miss the part about BE posting pointless killmails and****azii flaming us? I am sure you did as ppl tend to believe whatever they want to. So how come he didnt log back on for the rest of the night? ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Saladin	Posted - 2005.05.07 20:55:00 - [88] I hope Paul leaving Shinra was on his own free will and not the result of being pressured to do so. I do understand his decision though, no likes to be put in a position where he/she is subject to ridicule. I wanted to re-iterate what Koni said, Paul is a stand up guy and while we have not spoken since I left shinra, I consider him a friend. He is no stranger to combat either. He has dealt out kills as well as sustained losses on many occasions. However, I think there is plenty of blame to go around here. This thread was created to counter claims by people who need to boost their ego by accusing others of logging off. I hope that fact is not lost on anyone and we all realize that flaming other people's gameplay can start a cycle that will hurt someone close to you. --------------------------- (c) Copyright Saladin, 2005. Any editing of this post by a third party will be in violation United States Internet Copyright law 46525 of 2003.
Hast	Posted - 2005.05.07 21:26:00 - [89] Originally by: Saladin I hope Paul leaving Shinra was on his own free will and not the result of being pressured to do so. I do understand his decision though, no likes to be put in a position where he/she is subject to ridicule. I wanted to re-iterate what Koni said, Paul is a stand up guy and while we have not spoken since I left shinra, I consider him a friend. He is no stranger to combat either. He has dealt out kills as well as sustained losses on many occasions. However, I think there is plenty of blame to go around here. This thread was created to counter claims by people who need to boost their ego by accusing others of logging off. I hope that fact is not lost on anyone and we all realize that flaming other people's gameplay can start a cycle that will hurt someone close to you. I think I speak for most of us when I say that we didnt want him to leave . I'm trying my best these days to just stay out of this forum because its just a pointless flamehole, I wouldnt care if the entire forum section would shut down tbh.
Xendie	Posted - 2005.05.07 21:42:00 - [90] ill quote another shinra comment about another guy "CTD'ing" and it goes something like this "very convenient that it happened as he was attacked wasnt it" but yeah Hast is right, enough of this crap whining from all sides. cya.

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