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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1100
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Posted - 2012.12.07 19:40:00 -
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Haha yesterday he was ranting about how this was the worst system in the world because it was so easily scamable but insisted that it wasn't him that got scammed.
Now today we find that it probably was him that got scammed buying a killright for 120 million that he couldn't cash in on, and he's all a blooo bloo bloo about not being able to high sec pvp the way he wants.
This guy is a priceless well of crying and fits of rage. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
793
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Posted - 2012.12.07 19:48:00 -
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Upon thinking about it, I think it would be neat if you were oblivious to the state of a killright. While I believe you should be informed that someone has killrights on you, I think it would be interesting if you don't know whether those killrights are publicly purchasable. Then there's a better chance of you getting caught with your pants down, which is reasonable.
Btw, I'm stating this as someone that has quite a few killrights on me at the moment... not as some highsec killright hunter. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2697
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Posted - 2012.12.07 23:42:00 -
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Don't lie, you found that llama in your inbox. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
3976
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Posted - 2012.12.07 23:44:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Don't lie, you found that llama in your inbox.
I wish but both your evemails came to me empty Gÿà EVE User Interface Programmer Gÿà GÖÑ Team Super Friends GÖÑ @CCP_Punkturis My Dev Blogs |
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Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
676
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Posted - 2012.12.07 23:59:00 -
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This guy is clearly right and we should go back to the old way of doing things where the target is not informed that someone is hunting them.* However, it should also be that only the person who died can hunt them, instead of this "wolololol we'll let everyone in highsec target them" crap. Or, you could keep that suspect flag, and make CONCORD response times slower. But I guess Punkturis knows that someone who was dumb enough to get suicide ganked is probably too dumb to kill the person who got them, so they are allowed to enlist ~300,000 other pilots to help them settle a personal feud. Sounds good to me.
*no we shouldn't. EveO is a circus train that is for bafflingly unclear reasons also carrying tanks of chlorine gas,-ácrashing and exploding in the middle of a small midwestern town. -áCalling it a mere train wreck gives neither the entertainment nor the horror it offers its proper due. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1858
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Posted - 2012.12.08 00:02:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote: But I guess Punkturis knows that someone who was dumb enough to get suicide ganked is probably too dumb to kill the person who got them, so they are allowed to enlist ~300,000 other pilots to help them settle a personal feud. Sounds good to me. Crimewatch !
It's the way of the future ~~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1612
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Posted - 2012.12.08 00:24:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:People for Years have whined for sell-able kill rights.
Now they have it. Sell-able, not buy-able.
Mirima Thurander wrote:Say your clocked 10km from a target, the moment you purchase the kill right he gets A pop up.
If he's in something he doesn't want to lose he will immediately run away.
Or if its a scam to start with buying the kill right is the scam, aka u shoot your friend he sets the kill right to 20million Them moment the kill right is activated u safe up for 15 mins.
The point he's making is why warn them there fixing to get there face shot off. Because giving a warning in a system that suddenly flags a person to every single other player in the game is a rational decision. You can remove that warning the day that attacking a suspect brings in CONCORD and results in a security penalty. Fair is fair.
I mean, really? As overpowering as the suspect flag is, you want people to have it without even knowing they have it? (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2698
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Posted - 2012.12.08 00:27:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Don't lie, you found that llama in your inbox. I wish but both your evemails came to me empty
Oh right, you have to open them in game because the interface screws up when using an out-of-game source to view them, like EVE-Gate.
They're URL links and not copypastad URLs. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
492
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Posted - 2012.12.08 00:29:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Yesterday some friends saw a freighter undock from Jita with a buyable kill right. Neither the freighter or the kill right still exist.
Oops. Fraps or it didn't happen. That being said though, how often is that going to occur? 99% of the time its going to be a game of chase the guy with the killright in his frigate until he's killed and the killmail no longer exists. Because with a 15 minute window of opportunity the chance of any real preparation and catching of people off guard and in something worthwhile Retributing against isn't going to happen. Im sure the most inane of the playerbase will fall but you won't catch any real target thats knows the game with this system. The whole design of the killright system, letting the target know by hook or crook he has a purchaseable killright as opposed to just a killright as the old system did is completely nullifying the whole purpose of the feature.
EVE is a lot smaller in some respects than you think it is. Check Corp, check internet for member list, add to watch list, observe online times, check killboards, (if active), for areas of operation and times, compare with online times, track target through locator agent in remaining time, move into area and observe activities...
Not that you don't still have an available killright, but one might pop up, or you might be the one to have it and you could simply stalk the character and make it available at the right time.
Not that any of that is guaranteed to work, but it really shouldn't be anyway.
edit: I really should click on one of these bountied characters and see what is available sometime, or maybe waste my time hanging out in Rens or something and see what is happening now. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1612
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Posted - 2012.12.08 00:30:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Why have a 15 minute timer and a notice at all? If you attacked and killed someone that earned a killright and the expansion pack is meant to allow Retribution for those acts why are these systems in place? Retribution shouldn't mean a guaranteed kill as long as you're willing to hit a single button. You should still have to work for it.
Caliph Muhammed wrote:We wanted the option to buy or accept a killright, and complete discretion in how and where we dealt with the target. No warnings, no timers, just stalk and engage. If kill rights didn't result in suspect flags, but instead limited engagements between bounty hunters and targets, this would indeed be the optimal solution. It's the one we begged CCP to implement for years, and especially in the months leading up to Retribution's release. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
392
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Posted - 2012.12.08 00:41:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Nova Fox wrote:People for Years have whined for sell-able kill rights.
Now they have it. Sell-able, not buy-able. This confuses me. In order for something to be sell-able by one person does it not have to be buy-able by someone else? |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1612
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Posted - 2012.12.08 00:50:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Nova Fox wrote:People for Years have whined for sell-able kill rights.
Now they have it. Sell-able, not buy-able. This confuses me. In order for something to be sell-able by one person does it not have to be buy-able by someone else? I can see how my language makes that a bit ambiguous. What I meant to imply was that kill right services should be sell-able from the bounty hunter's point of view. As in, the bounty hunter sells his services to the victim, instead of the victim charging the bounty hunter money for the privilege of going after the perp, or in this case, the privilege of activating a suspect flag on the perp so that the bounty hunter technically doesn't even need to risk his own neck in the process. Uh, lol. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
392
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Posted - 2012.12.08 00:55:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Nova Fox wrote:People for Years have whined for sell-able kill rights.
Now they have it. Sell-able, not buy-able. This confuses me. In order for something to be sell-able by one person does it not have to be buy-able by someone else? I can see how my language makes that a bit ambiguous. What I meant to imply was that kill right services should be sell-able from the bounty hunter's point of view. As in, the bounty hunter sells his services to the victim, instead of the victim charging the bounty hunter money for the privilege of going after the perp, or in this case, the privilege of activating a suspect flag on the perp so that the bounty hunter technically doesn't even need to risk his own neck in the process. Uh, lol. Ah, I see. That makes more sense, but doesn't that market become a bit redundant in the presence of a working bounty system. |
Remiel Pollard
Devlin Security Devlin Alliance
290
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Posted - 2012.12.08 01:03:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:The Killright system stinks and here's why.
Are you still going on about this?
Is this even a whole new thread?
I'm beginning to wonder if your problem isn't the fact that you can't get a kills, but that you're the one with the kill rights on him. Seeing as how you lost a Drake to a blob of 14 in low sec on the day you started complaining. I could be wrong, since it was low sec.... but it's still pretty funny. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1612
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Posted - 2012.12.08 01:06:00 -
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CCP was simply driven to retain the bears by allowing them to recoup some of their losses via selling kill rights. In theory, a proper bounty-hunting system would plug many holes in EVE's gameplay, such as the ability to legally go after NPC-corped perps, which the war declaration mechanic doesn't allow for. What we got instead is a doubling-up of what already existed, in the form of the suspect flag, which is nothing more than a pseudo-CONCORD event.
We are (were?) a dedicated high-sec/WH mercenary corporation. Before Inferno so terribly screwed up the war system, when people got hurt, they paid us to go after the bad guys. Sometimes bad guys paid us to go after good guys, bad versus bad, good versus good, etc. All in relative terms of course, but you get the idea. The system was clunky, but it worked. Most things could be accomplished though good old negotiation and a war declaration. Now, that's gone. It's been replaced by a faceless ally system, in which people opt to just open up their wars for free allies (most of which are hub campers looking for more targets, and never actively seek the enemy), and the new kill rights system, which is about as authentic of a bounty-hunting experience as I am an authentic Irishman. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
314
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Posted - 2012.12.08 01:13:00 -
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The day I started complaining? Buy a clue. Check the date. What an idiot. |
Remiel Pollard
Devlin Security Devlin Alliance
292
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Posted - 2012.12.08 01:16:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:The day I started complaining? Buy a clue. Check the date. What an idiot.
Oh yeah, 7 January. Not December. How about that.
My mistake. Could have accomplished that without calling me an idiot, though. You're obviously butthurt seeing as how just about every response you make to someone demeans them in some way. I guess we can't all be blessed with the gift of maturity though, right? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Angeal MacNova
9th Fleet-Seraphins
44
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Posted - 2012.12.08 01:17:00 -
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Kill rights, are not just produced out of thin air. They are generated based on a persons choice of action against another player.
That is when the person should get their warning.
People should also know by now that the kill rights can be sold.
So, the person who has the kill right against them is warned when the kill right is generated, not activated so they still get their fair warning and remove the 15 min window and just make it last until fulfilled.
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
314
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Posted - 2012.12.08 01:18:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:[ Oh yeah, 7 January. Not December. How about that.
My mistake. Could have accomplished that without calling me an idiot, though. You're obviously butthurt seeing as how just about every response you make to someone demeans them in some way. I guess we can't all be blessed with the gift of maturity though, right?
Yeah I could have but you are in fact an idiot. You want to harass me at every opportunity to the point youre sifting through killmails looking for something to use as a weapon. The only thing youll find in killmails is that when I decide to go to war and take the game serious I dont die and I dont lose. Of course local chat makes that ridiculously easy to do. Simple as that. |
Remiel Pollard
Devlin Security Devlin Alliance
292
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Posted - 2012.12.08 01:23:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:[ Oh yeah, 7 January. Not December. How about that.
My mistake. Could have accomplished that without calling me an idiot, though. You're obviously butthurt seeing as how just about every response you make to someone demeans them in some way. I guess we can't all be blessed with the gift of maturity though, right? Yeah I could have but you are in fact an idiot. You want to harass me at every opportunity to the point youre sifting through killmails looking for something to use as a weapon. The only thing youll find in killmails is that when I decide to go to war and take the game serious I dont die and I dont lose. Simple as that.
There you go again, even after I manned up to my own mistake. Calm down, bro. I'm not harassing you, and I'm not the only one disagreeing with you. So why the hostility? I admitted my mistake, and I would have even apoligised for it if you weren't sitting there calling me an idiot. Why so defensive? If you know I'm obviously wrong, all you have to do is prove it and make your case. After all, you should be learning about being wrong from everyone that's using said method to demonstrate why you're wrong.
I haven't called you any childish names, plus I spell better than you, with proper punctuation, an obvious sign that I'm not an idiot. So what's your problem? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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Pyre leFay
The Scope Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.12.08 01:27:00 -
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This is the same circle of replies the last rant took. Its a mobius strip of "learn to use the feature" and "no" with a mix of insults back and forth. |
Remiel Pollard
Devlin Security Devlin Alliance
292
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Posted - 2012.12.08 01:29:00 -
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What I find quite ironic is how you like to tell everyone that what they're saying is "just their opinion" but you yourself state things like "you are in fact an idiot" without any evidence to prove that it is a fact. Did you know that even geniuses are capable of absent-minded mistakes? Einstein frequently forgot to pay his rent, and was always short on money as a result. He couldn't always afford tobacco, so he used to pick up cigarette butts off the street to fill his pipe with the left-over tobacco.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1612
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Posted - 2012.12.08 01:37:00 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:Kill rights, are not just produced out of thin air. They are generated based on a persons choice of action against another player.
That is when the person should get their warning.
People should also know by now that the kill rights can be sold.
So, the person who has the kill right against them is warned when the kill right is generated, not activated so they still get their fair warning and remove the 15 min window and just make it last until fulfilled.
Not sure if serious. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1859
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Posted - 2012.12.08 01:39:00 -
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Pyre leFay wrote:This is the same circle of replies the last rant took. Its a mobius strip of "learn to use the feature" and "no" with a mix of insults back and forth. Wow, that's deep. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
314
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Posted - 2012.12.08 01:42:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:Kill rights, are not just produced out of thin air. They are generated based on a persons choice of action against another player.
That is when the person should get their warning.
People should also know by now that the kill rights can be sold.
So, the person who has the kill right against them is warned when the kill right is generated, not activated so they still get their fair warning and remove the 15 min window and just make it last until fulfilled.
Not sure if serious.
Elaborate. The person is saying if you did something to have a killright generated against you that you're warned at that moment and thats it.
It sounds as if you're saying that's not good enough.
If thats what you mean can you please explain why you think that way? |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1612
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Posted - 2012.12.08 01:45:00 -
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I'm pretty sure that what he wants is an instant 30-day suspect flag the second a crime is committed. Read that last sentence especially. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
314
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Posted - 2012.12.08 01:50:00 -
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I'm not sure. But I guess the issue for me is having everything tied to a suspect flag. I don't think killrights should be. Yeah you can gain an immediate suspect flag per normal actions that generate one but Retribution shouldn't be implicitly tied to that flag permanently. You weren't a criminal/suspect before this change after you earned a killright once the timer ran out. You were free to roam around as you saw fit but had the chance to run in to a guy who could attack you freely in revenge. That system was good. It just needed an option for the pilot to sell that revenge option to a person equipped to handle it. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
388
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Posted - 2012.12.08 02:03:00 -
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I think someone should be notified when kill rights are made available to X people for Y amount of isk. This is in the game and informs the target (me!) of what can happen.
I see no reason why a player should be notified again when someone activates kill rights. I know the dangers of flying around with kill rights on me. I got a mail describing what can happen. I don't need any more notifications.
CCP Punkturis post is one of the worst I've read. If I can just activate kill rights seconds before attacking so the target gets no notification then why add in notifications to begin with. It's useless. That is horrible horrible game design.
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Angeal MacNova
9th Fleet-Seraphins
45
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Posted - 2012.12.08 02:09:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:I'm not sure. But I guess the issue for me is having everything tied to a suspect flag. I don't think killrights should be. Yeah you can gain an immediate suspect flag per normal actions that generate one but Retribution shouldn't be implicitly tied to that flag permanently. You weren't a criminal/suspect before this change after you earned a killright once the timer ran out. You were free to roam around as you saw fit but had the chance to run in to a guy who could attack you freely in revenge. That system was good. It just needed an option for the pilot to sell that revenge to a person equipped to handle it.
The new system sucks for both parties. Its going to stagnate pvp. No one operating in hisec is going to run around in anything worth killing with a public gank one click away. Okay maybe the inane will but anyone worth their salt would know better. If I kill you tonight I assure you, you won't catch me in a bling ship for thirty days. Anyone who would is either incredibly foolish or rich enough to not care. Actually I could personally im sitting on half a dozen tengus but i'd still opt for not giving the target the satisfaction.
That dynamic would change if I couldn't tell if you had made the killright purchaseable and if I knew that it wasn't accessible with one click to the entire EVE universe. The level of absurdity in that isn't worth detailing. Anyone that can read and write and put a coherent sentence together can see the difference.
Hit the nail on the head right there.
It's funny too that I often read posts saying that a player, even in high sec, should have to be watching over their shoulder. Being able to dock up for 15min defeats the purpose.
The person does the crime, they are told that their actions gave the other person a kill right against them. The flag expires but the kill right does not. It lasts until fulfilled and the aggressor gets no further warnings.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1613
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Posted - 2012.12.08 02:10:00 -
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The system you describe is exactly the one we tried to have implemented in our threadnaughts, and the dev blog threads. It fell on deaf ears. I am starting to lose hope that we'll ever see a bounty-hunting system that actually makes sense, but at the same time I'm starting to realize that CCP might not have a choice. They must be pretty hard-pressed to make bear concessions of this scale. I refuse to believe that they'd take game development in this direction on their own volition unless survival was on the line.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with everything you're saying (though it might seem in this thread you have a more confrontational way of saying stuff). I just don't know if fighting the good fight is worth the effort anymore. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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