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Alcius
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.12.08 14:56:00 -
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Hi all,
I have the following problem and I-¦m pretty sure that it also concerns some of you as well.
So I have a PC with a sound card, an additional onboard sound card, an analog Headset and 2.1 Speakers. The speakers are used for PC ingame sound (digital in on seperate sound card). The headset is used either for TS3/Mumble or for both TS3/Mumble and ingame sound (analog in on seperate sound card). The onboard sound card is currently inactive, but capable of analog and digital in-/output.
Then I have this PS3 which is connected via analog cinch directly to the 2.1 speakers (ingame sound).
The problem is, how is it possible to get both things running at the same time - TS3/Mumble AND DUST514 voicechat? So ideally what I-¦m trying to achieve is, to have the PS3 voicechat and ingame sound over my headset and the TS3/Mumble/PC sound over the 2.1 speakers. However I need to be able to use the headset microphone for TS3/Mumble as well.
What I thought of as a solution might be something like a switch, which either triggers the mic for TS3/Mumble or for PS3 voice chat. Therefore the PC and PS3 sound needs to be connected to it.
Does anyone have a solution for this? Or any other possible ideas? Since I plan to get a new headset anyway, I also welcome any suggestions for a capable one. I guess I have to get an USB headset anyway, because there-¦s no way to get my current analog one conneted to the PS3. Also since I basically bought the PlayStation just for DUST, I don-¦t have any knowledge if there are already products for this kind of problem.
I would really appreciate any help!
Thanks! |
Nylith Empyreal
Crowbar Industries. Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:05:00 -
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That's a curious if they want interaction how are we going to talk to one another... please not eve voice. I dare not read the minds of a console player. "Oh, you can't help that," said the troll: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" -ásaid the forumwarrior. "You must be," said the troll, "or you wouldn't have come here." |
Call Rollard
K For Kill
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Posted - 2012.12.09 20:39:00 -
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Nylith Empyreal wrote:That's a curious if they want interaction how are we going to talk to one another... please not eve voice. I dare not read the minds of a console player.
Problem is, when you are on console... You talk within the console game.
In EVE... I'd expect you'd have to talk within the game
An ISD said in help chat that we have to use EVE Voice to talk with Dust players
We will have to wait and see what happens |
Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2012.12.12 09:30:00 -
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EVE and DUST will share the same Voice Servers. So EVE Voice is the natural choice for cross-platform / game communication.
Trying to use 3rd party programs for cross-console gaming is... messy, and usually requires you to invest in devices other than the console to do so. ie. I-Phone etc. that supports mumble, ts3, or ventrillo. Best to keep it as simple as possible. |
Saorlan
Fight Club Outfit
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Posted - 2012.12.12 11:04:00 -
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There is nothing wrong with Eve voice. People always want to push crappy TS3 and Mumble because they are prats that spent loads of money on something that is increasingly irrelevant. PlanetSide 2 and Eve both have great in game voice communcations people might have tried Eve voice years ago when it was a bit buggy. Try it now and stop talking about your 3rd party Cunny programmes.
Cunny. |
Call Rollard
K For Kill
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Posted - 2012.12.12 21:33:00 -
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Saorlan wrote:There is nothing wrong with Eve voice. People always want to push crappy TS3 and Mumble because they are prats that spent loads of money on something that is increasingly irrelevant. PlanetSide 2 and Eve both have great in game voice communcations people might have tried Eve voice years ago when it was a bit buggy. Try it now and stop talking about your 3rd party Cunny programmes.
Cunny.
TS/Mumble however is better on this side:
You are flying in a 4 man fleet, you get packet loss and drop EVE, you lose all communication on your EVE Voice, you relog your fleet went and you die.
You are flying in a 4 man fleet, you get packet loss and drop EVE, you still have communication via TS and you are able to keep contact with your fleet and they warp to you for you to log back in safely. |
Hunter Blake
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2012.12.13 04:17:00 -
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Drop a packet, TS/Mumble disconnects, or the voice server goes down for some reason. Oh lost voice comms.
Technical faults will happen to any medium. Using them as an excuse to not use them, is the epitome of sloppy thinking.
The fact is, you can still use your 3rd party programs all you want, but to talk to DUST mercs with voice, you'll need to use EVE voice. If you don't want to use EVE voice, use typing. Or just don't talk to the DUST mercs and play EVE without them. (A possibility.)
It's all about choice. They're only providing the simplest, and most cost effective choice they have available. Why reinvent Voice Chat when they have a functional one. |
Call Rollard
K For Kill
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Posted - 2012.12.17 16:39:00 -
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Hunter Blake wrote:Drop a packet, TS/Mumble disconnects, or the voice server goes down for some reason. Oh lost voice comms.
Technical faults will happen to any medium. Using them as an excuse to not use them, is the epitome of sloppy thinking.
The fact is, you can still use your 3rd party programs all you want, but to talk to DUST mercs with voice, you'll need to use EVE voice. If you don't want to use EVE voice, use typing. Or just don't talk to the DUST mercs and play EVE without them. (A possibility.)
It's all about choice. They're only providing the simplest, and most cost effective choice they have available. Why reinvent Voice Chat when they have a functional one.
At least in my experience when I've been in fleets EVE drops on me and need to log off and Mumble/TS still runs for me. |
Saorlan
Fight Club Outfit
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Posted - 2012.12.18 19:47:00 -
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Actually Eve does seem to drop a fair bit for me as well but I am India and have a shocking broadband line, really fast suprisngly but very choppy. |
Silentsam187
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.12.25 00:59:00 -
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I know in EVE there is a voice, or audio chat in each comm window. DUST mercs and EVE pilots are in the same text comss, and it is those comms windows that DUST mercs talk on...
So can EVE players use the EVE comms to talk to DUST mercs?
The DUST comms are very smooth and stable. Quite impressive actually.
That said I know some people I play with have gotten their PS3 and PC to both come over their headset. Not sure how they did it, but they could talk between both comms it seemed. |
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.26 19:24:00 -
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I think you can do it with a mixer, and just mix the two. Two voice, not so sure about that. But I can't test because my mixer died last year and I haven't replaced it. Fly Minmatar Air --- "Trust in the Rust!" |
Carol Krabit
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.06 13:52:00 -
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If you have a decent soundcard and a USB-headset with hotkeys, you could probably bind the the PTT of TS or Mumle to those hotkeys and mix the inputs. For me it seems the problem isn't mixing the sound, but rather enable your voice to go through the right channel. Voice activation isn't really possible when speaking on two different comms at a time. |
NeVrain
Sleeping Giant Services Inc.
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Posted - 2013.01.06 19:20:00 -
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Good questionm OP.
There's no getting around the fact that for EVE fleets, voicecomms absolutely need to be independent of the EVE client. EVE will drop connection a lot more frequently than TS /Vent/Mumble/C3 will.
I've been thinking about the same question for awhile and don't have a satifactory answer yet, but i'm sure we can find one(that hopefully costs nothing).
The goal is this: A single-headset(and wireless!) solution that will work seamlessly for EVE, DUST and 3rd-party comms, simultaneously.
This would most likely mean one channel voice-activated , with the other two PTT.
There seems to 2 ways to make this happen:
- The PS3 gets its headset signal from the PC via a usb jumper(wired or wireless).
- The headset signal gets split and sent independently to both the PS3 and the PC.
Of the two approaches, the first seems best for balancing audio levels through some multi-channel mixer software thingie. The second approach seem better in terms of ease of set-up.
That's all i got atm. Audio gurus please jump in and educate us! |
NeVrain
Sleeping Giant Services Inc.
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Posted - 2013.01.06 23:16:00 -
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Just ruled out method # 1 above. Can't connect PS3 to PC via usb because there can be only one master on a usb bus. |
Lord Leftfield
The Society Calyxes
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Posted - 2013.01.07 23:55:00 -
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I recommend when doing cross platform gaming, to use out of game comms. It will have its advantages. Most commonly used are Ventrillo, Teamspeak and mumble. You can easly set up an free 10 man ventrillo, or for the more sophisticated of minds, a 100 man mumble server. With time and effort, crossplatform voice communication will improve. As for now, although I personally havent tried it, it does not stay active should client freeze, shut down etc. A out of game comms connection lets you relate information as what is happening should you loose connection to the game etc. I also doubt that many have/will get a headset for their ps3 |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2013.01.08 00:28:00 -
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Last I been told CCP is in negotiations with Vivox the makers of C3 and our Eve Voice to try to get voice services to be less of a headache for those playing dust 514.
As for testing Eve Voice working with dust 514. I wont say anything other than log onto sisi and find out for yourself.
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NeVrain
Sleeping Giant Services Inc.
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Posted - 2013.01.10 02:35:00 -
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I definitely agree with out of game comms. I've been running a voice server for years. But with the EVE/DUST union things get a bit more complicated.
My motivation here is to be able to communicate via voice will multiple players simultaneously, using EVE voice, TS/Vent/etc. and DUST voice. I want to do this with one headset and with independent control over all the channels.
With the mixed ops that will be taking place and with different peeps using different comms it's a problem we're going to encounter on a regular basis going forward.
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NeVrain
Sleeping Giant Services Inc.
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Posted - 2013.01.10 02:36:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Last I been told CCP is in negotiations with Vivox the makers of C3 and our Eve Voice to try to get voice services to be less of a headache for those playing dust 514.
As for testing Eve Voice working with dust 514. I wont say anything other than log onto sisi and find out for yourself.
That's interesting news Nova Fox. I'll keep an eye on it.
Thanks for the info. |
handige harrie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.10 18:39:00 -
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EVE Voice doesn't even work here, not for anyone with the same ISP as me, since the ports EVE voice use, are reserved by the ISP for their own VOIP solution.
Since CCP nor the ISP is willing to let people change ports or anything, EVE voice is a broken system.
Using standard ports for everything ftw.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=35860 Baddest poster ever |
Atlas Durham
20th Legion CORE Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.11 01:54:00 -
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I do not have a mic for my PC yet my Corp. requires the use of TS3. The simplest solution was to install the free app on my (android) phone, though an iphone app is available as well. I've been using it for a month and a half and have experienced no issues whatsoever. |
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Nightlund Audeles
The Halcyon Directive
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Posted - 2013.01.11 07:15:00 -
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handige harrie wrote:EVE Voice doesn't even work here, not for anyone with the same ISP as me, since the ports EVE voice use, are reserved by the ISP for their own VOIP solution. Since CCP nor the ISP is willing to let people change ports or anything, EVE voice is a broken system. Using standard ports for everything ftw. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=35860
Hmmm must be your teribad ISP then because I have VOIP and EVE voice chat work fine for me. Time to get a new ISP. |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:21:00 -
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ive a pretty convoluted system but its extremely flexable. long time ago i bought a hardware dolby headphones unit that takes surround sound and models it to stereo. combined with an external soundcard (m-audio firewire-solo) and a bluetooth headset (stereo).
I take the digital optical surround out of the ps3.. into the dolby headphone unit. It spits out analogue stereo that i split into 2 mono's (using a stereo to 2 mono cable) and into my m-audio soundcard. The m-audio unit pumps it into my computer via usb. My bluetooth headset then plugs into my computer and becomes my primary output for my computer.
This part i think is really only possible with windows 7 or later: My m-audio soundcard (bringing in the ps3 sound) is the 'default device' under the recording tab My bluetooth headsets mic is the 'default communication device' under the same tab.
Both inputs work and u can 'listen to this source' under properties (required to hear the ps3).
Then in ts3/mumble/whatever change the input and output to your bluetooth headset and all u need is a way to activate ptt from a distance from your computer.
on the ps3 comms system plug in a wired decent usb microphone, make sure the ps3's audio and game comms are coming in via the usb microphone and out through the digital optical out and ur away! |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
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Posted - 2013.01.23 19:51:00 -
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if you want to copy this without all the added complexity i can reccommend these things:
either a 2nd hand M-Audio Transit External Sound Card or... Sound Blaster Recon3d Internal Sound card
a bluetooth headset like these: ASUS HS 1000W
and of course a good usb mic (remember)
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