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DJ Blackman
Often AFK
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Posted - 2011.10.06 01:47:00 -
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Here is my introduction for those who do not know my previous bond offering, which can be viewed at: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=7422
Introduction:
Hello to all - I have been playing eve close to 2 years now and have been practicing with small investments on the market. I believe I have been waiting for a while to get a chance to start a bond and this seems like a decent starting point.
A little bit about myself and my corp - My entire corp of Often AFK is my 2 mains and alts. All 6 chars are trained in PI, and I am currently running 12 planets in a WH with elite CC for PI which nets me between 700 to 800m a month with this char and another, Colonel Vatutin. My total assets excluding the resources in the WH come to about 4.6 bn at the moment, and that is not counting the monthly income from PI of approx. 700-800m. Most of them are heavily invested in the markets, and since I have been investing seriously since the end of august I have been able to gain a good 30% back on my investments due to heavy market PVP. I started with about 1.18 bn on liquid isk around the end of august this year, and is now investing a little over 4bn.
This is my second offering, with promise of 11% return at four week's time after bond is filled. I hope to offer this in 50m increments, so 40 shares are available. Even if I do suffer some low returns on the investments on the market, my monthly PI work can cover total of 565m easily. I cannot offer much in collateral, but I do hope to build up my reputation as an honest and straight forward investor who can be trusted.
Details are as follows:
- 2bn total bond value, available in 100m for each bond share. 100,000,000.01 isk bonds will be returned to owners due not following instructions
- 11% return with principle at the end of the cycle exactly 4 weeks time on GMT eve clock. I am hoping this bond will fill so I can meet 4 week maturity date on Nov. 3 or 5th, 2011 0:00 AM GMT.
- Send ISK to MC Jack - my trader alt in the same corp.
- No collateral, only my trust and yours in making this work.
- Risk of running: As I always say, why the hell would I run off in a char with some 30 bucks worth of isk when I invested over twenty times that playing eve for 2 years on two accounts? Why would I risk ostracizing and biomassing my chars for this amount? To me, these two accounts are culmination of a series of hard-learned lessons that I hope to expand upon and achieve a notable degree of financial and influential success. But then, it all comes down to mutual trust in investments.
The reason I do so without a collateral offering is the following:
I believe trust is a valuable and most expensive commodity there is in the dog-eat world of eve online, and I hope to earn that trust to expand my business! Btw- chribba is a fine example of trust as an invaluable asset- I do hope I can do the same. In the future with greater amount I will be willing to use his services to secure collaterals, but I wanted to prove with these humble bond offerings that I can be trusted - with or without oversights. I believe this is a risky but sincere manner in which I hope to earn your trust.
Smooth sailing hopefully
Shareholders: |
Junnichi Asakura
The Tiandihui
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Posted - 2011.10.07 12:10:00 -
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I'll take 20 shares (totalling 1bn investment) I'm at work now however i'll fire the Isk at you in around 5 hours time...
Good luck JA |
Esan Vartesa
Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.10.07 15:36:00 -
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Will take 10 shares, worth 500 million Isk.
Value will be contracted to MC Jack within 12 hours. |
March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.10.07 17:04:00 -
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why not? reserve 500 mils for me. |
Jerry Pepridge
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.07 18:07:00 -
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first bond 500m second bond 2b
... and so on , until you will think it`s high enaugh to scam .
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DJ Blackman
Often AFK
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Posted - 2011.10.07 22:31:00 -
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Jerry Pepridge wrote:first bond 500m second bond 2b
... and so on , until you will think it`s high enaugh to scam .
To offer some reassurance, I would like to begin using chribba to secure collaterals once I reach 10bn mark or so in bond offers. However I would ideally like to offer any amount be that 1bn or 100 bn, without collateral if I can earn that much trust in my investment business. In the end, it all comes down to trust since if a scammer puts their minds to it there are so many ways to screw over someone.
It's gonna have to go pretty high to compensate for 600+ USD and more importantly the priceless leisure time I spent on this game measly 1trn (yes that is right 1trillion) isk isn't enough for me to compensate for that time spent - I want the experience, as generic as that sounds and to me that is too valuable to throw away.
In the end, it all comes down to mutual agreement and a degree of trust (Think it's naive? Please slit your own throat before depositing any money in the bank next time), since a possibility always exists that a scammer could scam regardless of what kinds of safety backup plans and reassurances one puts up. So the real question is choice - to believe, to come to an agreement, or not to.
Believe me or don't - your choice. Someone's got to extend an olive branch and I personally do not mind I do so first to prove that I can be an honest trader who chooses to follow a certain guideline in dealing with like-minded and willing people.
Bond full, Cycle maturity ends Nov. 5th 2011 0:00am GMT. |
Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
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Posted - 2011.10.07 22:39:00 -
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lololololol
look at this obvious repgrind scam
look how much time and effort youve spent in a failed attempt to squeeze veritable pennies in this game
how ******* sad is that? |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
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Posted - 2011.10.07 22:50:00 -
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@Elise
About as sad as your trolling. Do not comment if you don't know the situation, do not know me, or have anything constructive to say.
Confirming March Rabbit isk received. |
Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
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Posted - 2011.10.08 00:12:00 -
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Oh hey, march rabbit. Should probably cook up some fresh shills, march rabbit and tom hagen have invested in 3/4 of every obvious scams in the last 4 months. These repgrinds are getting painfully obvious |
March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.10.08 09:58:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote: Oh hey, march rabbit. Should probably cook up some fresh shills, march rabbit and tom hagen have invested in 3/4 of every obvious scams in the last 4 months. These repgrinds are getting painfully obvious maybe you should try to learn how to make money in Eve instead of crying about others wallets? you know: this is really easy to make money these days. So i don't see any reasons to be "too careful" about it.
btw: some of these "scams" worked well. |
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flakeys
The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2011.10.08 10:33:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote: These repgrinds are getting painfully obvious
Just as obvious as the comments to be expected from jerry , angsty and you though .I miss setra
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Junnichi Asakura
The Tiandihui
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Posted - 2011.10.08 12:14:00 -
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1b Funds (and extra - see evemail oops LOL) sent to DJ Blackman.
JA |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
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Posted - 2011.10.08 22:47:00 -
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Junnichi Asakura wrote:1b Funds (and extra - see evemail oops LOL) sent to DJ Blackman.
JA
"50,000,000.01 isk bonds will be returned to owners due not following instructions"
JA this means no amount other than the exact promised amount of 1,000,000,000.00 isk will be accepted and therefore will be immediately refunded back in full to the sender. I have sent back the exact amount I have received: 8,383,544,331.52 isk. Please send the exact amount to MC Jack. Thanks for your investment promises.
On separate note, Esan Vartesa 500m received. |
Esan Vartesa
Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.10.09 00:26:00 -
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Confirming Isk sent.
Good luck, Mr Blackman. |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
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Posted - 2011.10.10 08:13:00 -
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JA, unless I receive isk from you within 48 hours, I would need to rescind your reservation and open the bond again. |
Eddie Laydon
Power Absolute Absolute Damage Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.10 11:05:00 -
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this is so pathetic... are you honestly telling me your friends cant give you a 2b loan? I know at least 4 people who could give me a couple of billion in the next 24h, if i try hard i could probably get much more than that.
the fact that you need to ask in here for a loan of this size means you're either building up rep for future scam, or none of your friends trust you with isk.
ps with over 4.6b in assets the fact that you cant provide a collateral tells me you're planning a scam. |
Junnichi Asakura
The Tiandihui
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Posted - 2011.10.10 11:28:00 -
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Apologies for the delay in sorting out payment - lol. i'm my own worst enemy at times! Ah well, all is sorted now, good luck.
JA |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
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Posted - 2011.10.10 17:35:00 -
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Eddie Laydon wrote:this is so pathetic... are you honestly telling me your friends cant give you a 2b loan? I know at least 4 people who could give me a couple of billion in the next 24h, if i try hard i could probably get much more than that.
the fact that you need to ask in here for a loan of this size means you're either building up rep for future scam, or none of your friends trust you with isk.
ps with over 4.6b in assets the fact that you cant provide a collateral tells me you're planning a scam.
I suggest you keep your mouth where it belongs and b!tch elsewhere.
You see there are some people in this world who prefer to earn their own way to success rather than asking for handouts from friends. some people actually LIKE () succeeding on their own.
Some people prefer to make 'friends' over the internet with faceless masses in an entertainment medium. some people don't give a flyig fawk and just enjoy the game when they get a chance to log on because.....it's a game to them, not a life. I am in the latter category
I have already explained plenty regarding this venture and it needs no more explanations. I suggest you quit your moaning and troll another loan offering it it makes you feel better about having lots of 'friends' on an mmorpg |
Eddie Laydon
Power Absolute Absolute Damage Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.10 18:28:00 -
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DJ Blackman wrote:I suggest you keep your mouth where it belongs and b!tch elsewhere. You see there are some people in this world who prefer to earn their own way to success rather than asking for handouts from friends. some people actually LIKE ( ) succeeding on their own. Some people prefer to make 'friends' over the internet with faceless masses in an entertainment medium. some people don't give a flyig fawk and just enjoy the game when they get a chance to log on because.....it's a game to them, not a life. I am in the latter category I have already explained plenty regarding this venture and it needs no more explanations. I suggest you quit your moaning and troll another loan offering it it makes you feel better about having lots of 'friends' on an mmorpg
lol you have no friends and I'm the weirdo?
anyway...
just explain to me why you have no collateral? do you honestly want us to believe you own nothing of value and that you do PI all month long, just so that you can pay for your subscription? no normal human being would do that. |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
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Posted - 2011.10.10 19:39:00 -
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I have good friends who are my equals, not those you sponge off of without anything useful to give back or turn to for help whenever you feel is necessary. =)
It seems you have a long way to go in understanding what it really means to have a 'friend' either in real life or in eve =)
As for the rest, learn to read. Don't like it? Go moan in other threads. |
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Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
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Posted - 2011.10.10 19:56:00 -
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Of course it doesn't make sense. Years worth of scammers have realized the system to offering larger and larger borrowed amounts supported by shill alts until you reach an amount that you just keep. It is fundamentally no different than a "double your isk" jita scammer.
Fortunately this practice is all but dead now, leaving only the latecomer idiots like DJ Blackman and his obvious alts howling into the void like morons.
At least it makes for good show, and we can all point and laugh. |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
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Posted - 2011.10.10 22:52:00 -
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Do laugh and not have your share. Like minded people willing to offer trust will laugh all the way to the bank for not being a ***** or a pseudo-intellectual cynical know it all. You invest, you get your interest and capital back. Too complicated?
What you don't understand, the most basic principle, is that it all comes down to trust because there are so many ways to scam others if someone sets their minds to it, anyone who says otherwise and thinks only collateral will hold trust is gullible - there are countless ways to get around it. I do not need to do so, I simply offer my word and the olive branch that we both abide by honest intentions. I offer that, they offer investment. Same principle as chribba, and I am sure he is far more successful then you =)
Of course everyone is alert and wary of other's intentions, but we know when to do so and when to offer trust when needed, unlike useless cynics like you who knows nothing about finding the right people or when to REALLY be alert when it really matters and think being half-assed cynical makes up for that =)
If you are so smart assed and got everything figured out, I am highly amused that so many 'world-wise' 3rd rate cynic trolls are even able to give their financial and contact info to some company in iceland =) |
Eddie Laydon
Power Absolute Absolute Damage Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.11 08:22:00 -
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DJ Blackman wrote: What you don't understand, the most basic principle, is that it all comes down to trust because there are so many ways to scam others if someone sets their minds to it, anyone who says otherwise and thinks only collateral will hold trust is gullible - there are countless ways to get around it. I do not need to do so, I simply offer my word and the olive branch that we both abide by honest intentions. I offer that, they offer investment. Same principle as chribba, and I am sure he is far more successful then you =)
unfortunately your word means nothing, you are not chribba and probably never will be after this bond.
im interrested in hearing what makes you different from say Angsty Teenager, who almost on daily basis offers to double the isk you send him? |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
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Posted - 2011.10.11 09:20:00 -
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I am sure many more are interested in you keeping your opinions where it belong - out of threads that does not concern your interests in the least =)
learn2read and if you don't agree, leave.
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Eddie Laydon
Power Absolute Absolute Damage Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.11 10:43:00 -
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im just trying to get to the bottom of this thing, and tbh avoiding answering questions, while at the same time trying to shut me up isnt helping your case. |
Esan Vartesa
Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.10.11 17:54:00 -
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Eddie, may I ask what questions DJ Blackman has not answered?
Rep grinding is rep grinding, and the end goal is to establish rep. There are more uses for good rep than simply scamming, even in Eve. As long as I feel that it is in the best interests of the bond issuer to meet his obligations, then I will be willing to invest.
Frankly, I'm a little bored with you self-proclaimed forum warriors pretending to know better than anyone else. All you ever accomplish is annoying actual market participants to the point where someone finally does scam just to vent their frustrations. Your entire argument here rests on the position that there is no reason whatsoever to issue a bond other than to scam.
My wallet, and the wallets of countless others, say that that's a very weak position indeed. |
Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
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Posted - 2011.10.11 18:08:00 -
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Esan Vartesa wrote:My wallet, and the wallets of countless others, say that that's a very weak position indeed.
Oh hey, generic ponzi scheme response from obvious shill alt. |
Esan Vartesa
Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.10.11 19:45:00 -
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Thanks for that, Elise. I'd always wondered if you actually knew what you were talking about when you made that accusation. |
DJ Blackman
Often AFK
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Posted - 2011.10.11 20:53:00 -
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Just look at laydon's hilarious avatar's attempt at looking smugly superior lol
It's frankly hard to take such people seriously in any meaningful way. Their user or their opinions for that matter. |
Eddie Laydon
Power Absolute Absolute Damage Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.12 12:29:00 -
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DJ Blackman wrote:Just look at laydon's hilarious avatar's attempt at looking smugly superior lol
It's frankly hard to take such people seriously in any meaningful way. Their user or their opinions for that matter.
at least i know the diff between bid and buyout: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1430773&page=1#6
oh and i like how you always resort to personal attacks to change the subject. for a guy who is ranting about trust you are pretty secretive.
ps my avatar is kewl
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