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Merrc
Shrike Technologies
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Posted - 2012.12.10 18:59:00 -
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Could we get drones that land on opposing ships and take out propulsion, weapons or simply start chewing thru shields or armor. Im too old and slow to keep track of all the flying locusts. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
790
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Posted - 2012.12.10 19:00:00 -
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Merrc wrote:simply start chewing thru shields or armor.
so... like light medium and heavy drones do now? Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Kiteo Hatto
Equanimity Order
375
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Posted - 2012.12.10 19:02:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Merrc wrote:simply start chewing thru shields or armor. so... like light medium and heavy drones do now?
I think he meant literally eating ship's armor....."OM NOM NOM GET IN MAH BELLY" style "That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
682
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Posted - 2012.12.10 19:02:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Merrc wrote:simply start chewing thru shields or armor. so... like light medium and heavy drones do now?
I hate that you beat me to this. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
790
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Posted - 2012.12.10 19:06:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Dave stark wrote:Merrc wrote:simply start chewing thru shields or armor. so... like light medium and heavy drones do now? I hate that you beat me to this.
i love that you hate me for beating you to this. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Mathrin
Synthetic Solution Synthetic Systems
7
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Posted - 2012.12.10 19:12:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Dave stark wrote:Merrc wrote:simply start chewing thru shields or armor. so... like light medium and heavy drones do now? I hate that you beat me to this. i love that you hate me for beating you to this.
I love that you love to beat him... And that he loves to be beaten. |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
103
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Posted - 2012.12.10 19:18:00 -
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Kiteo Hatto wrote:Dave stark wrote:Merrc wrote:simply start chewing thru shields or armor. so... like light medium and heavy drones do now? I think he meant literally eating ship's armor....."OM NOM NOM GET IN MAH BELLY" style
This is definitely what he is getting at. could be a offensive use of nanite paste wumbo |
Ronix Aideron
The Ugly Ass Kickers
15
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Posted - 2012.12.10 19:18:00 -
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Merrc wrote:Could we get drones that land on opposing ships and take out propulsion, weapons or simply start chewing thru shields or armor. Im too old and slow to keep track of all the flying locusts.
Someone has been watching The Matrix movies again. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
790
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Posted - 2012.12.10 19:19:00 -
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Mathrin wrote:Dave stark wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Dave stark wrote:Merrc wrote:simply start chewing thru shields or armor. so... like light medium and heavy drones do now? I hate that you beat me to this. i love that you hate me for beating you to this. I love that you love to beat him... And that he loves to be beaten.
and i bet you'd love to watch. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Karrde Belarr
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
9
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Posted - 2012.12.10 19:29:00 -
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Mathrin wrote:Dave stark wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Dave stark wrote:Merrc wrote:simply start chewing thru shields or armor. so... like light medium and heavy drones do now? I hate that you beat me to this. i love that you hate me for beating you to this. I love that you love to beat him... And that he loves to be beaten.
[censored censored censored censored censored censored] too?
To answer OP: You're basically talking about what light, medium, heavy, and EWAR drones do now. |
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Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
569
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Posted - 2012.12.10 19:30:00 -
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Merrc wrote:Could we get drones that land on opposing ships and take out propulsion, weapons or simply start chewing thru shields or armor. Im too old and slow to keep track of all the flying locusts.
That in general is one of the things I found EVE to be lacking, compared to Pirates of the Burning Sea. In that game, you had various types of ammo that affected different things. Bar and chain shot took out the sails, which slowed you down. The grape shot took out the crew, which slowed rate of fire and made changing sailing direction slower. And then you had the ball shot that took out the hull and sunk the ship - sails, crew and all. Made for some interesting decisions and mechanics. |
Merrc
Shrike Technologies
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Posted - 2012.12.10 20:15:00 -
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Yes I thought for a few reasons, to give some more tactical options, give builders something more to make and also ... I really have never understood why drones use those circular cowboy and indian patterns. Space being devoid of air and gravity drones should actually move in more straight line trajectories-or land on ships and be used as a tracking device, explode, disable weapons, or nom nom get in my belly and i get bigger I dont know exactly what part of drones causes all the lag, but they always have the way they are currently set up. |
Pyre leFay
The Scope Gallente Federation
109
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Posted - 2012.12.10 20:20:00 -
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Merrc wrote:drones should actually move in more straight line trajectories-. So they can die even faster. great idea.
The only thing that haven't really been done with drones is to make them purposely expendable other than using ewar to flee. Suicide bomb drones, .5m3 5bw, launch waves to explode against ships, stronger than missiles, weaker than bombs. |
Alara IonStorm
3799
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Posted - 2012.12.10 20:29:00 -
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EVE needs Suicide Drones.
Go to launch them and you realize that they left their engines running in the hanger.
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Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
573
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Posted - 2012.12.10 20:37:00 -
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Pyre leFay wrote:Merrc wrote:drones should actually move in more straight line trajectories-. So they can die even faster. great idea.
Considering their stats, such as signature radius, they might as well fly in a straight line and hold up a big huge "Shoot me!" sign while doing so.
I mean, think about it. A heavy drone, regardless of whether it is a slow armor tanked Gallente Ogre or a lighter and more nimble shield-tanked Minmatar Berseker, they both have signature radius of 100 m. Ogre has mass of 12,000 kg, and volume of 25 cubic meters. Berserker is 10,000 kg and also 25 cubic meters.
Meanwhile, a Vexor, that can hold many of these (5?) and deploy 3, has signature radius of 150m, mass of 10,310,000 kg and volume of 115000 cubic meters.
So, a single drone has 2/3rds the sig radius of the ship, while being 0.11% of the ship's mass and 0.02% of the ship's volume. Does this make ANY sense? Anyone? Do these percentages look...right? 66.6% signature, at 0.11% mass and 0.02% volume? How does that happen? |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
104
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Posted - 2012.12.10 20:38:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Pyre leFay wrote:Merrc wrote:drones should actually move in more straight line trajectories-. So they can die even faster. great idea. Considering their stats, such as signature radius, they might as well fly in a straight line and hold up a big huge "Shoot me!" sign while doing so. I mean, think about it. A heavy drone, regardless of whether it is a slow armor tanked Gallente Ogre or a lighter and more nimble shield-tanked Minmatar Berseker, they both have signature radius of 100 m. Ogre has mass of 12,000 kg, and volume of 25 cubic meters. Berserker is 10,000 kg and also 25 cubic meters. Meanwhile, a Vexor, that can hold many of these (5?) and deploy 3, has signature radius of 150m, mass of 10,310,000 kg and volume of 115000 cubic meters. So, a single drone has 2/3rds the sig radius of the ship, while being 0.11% of the ship's mass and 0.02% of the ship's volume. Does this make ANY sense? Anyone? Do these percentages look...right? 66.6% signature, at 0.11% mass and 0.02% volume? How does that happen?
:Nanites: wumbo |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1957
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Posted - 2012.12.10 20:39:00 -
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This could actually be a fun thing.
Drones that just beeline for a ship, clamp to it's hull and do stuff. Like paint it, cause a cap leak or interfere with reppers.
They'd have to be pretty small as they would be use-once suicide drones. Once on a hull they stick there until the ship is blown up or makes it to a station to be deloused. Or have them run for a few minutes and then be out of power.
Lots of possibilities.
Mr Epeen -ávOv |
Pyre leFay
The Scope Gallente Federation
109
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Posted - 2012.12.10 20:45:00 -
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Or instead of simply blowing up, a suicide drone instead of damaging shields or armor of the hull, clamps onto a random ship module and starts damaging it like its overheating. Shield or armor reps can slowly short out any of these drone attached to your ship. Same goes for remote reps. |
La Volpe DaFlorence
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.10 20:47:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:This could actually be a fun thing. Drones that just beeline for a ship, clamp to it's hull and do stuff. Like paint it, cause a cap leak or interfere with reppers. They'd have to be pretty small as they would be use-once suicide drones. Once on a hull they stick there until the ship is blown up or makes it to a station to be deloused. Or have them run for a few minutes and then be out of power. Lots of possibilities. Mr Epeen
if we can get drones that explode pink paint on their target and do not cause aggression...
I will train in drones. |
Kiteo Hatto
Equanimity Order
376
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Posted - 2012.12.10 20:50:00 -
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La Volpe DaFlorence wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:This could actually be a fun thing. Drones that just beeline for a ship, clamp to it's hull and do stuff. Like paint it, cause a cap leak or interfere with reppers. They'd have to be pretty small as they would be use-once suicide drones. Once on a hull they stick there until the ship is blown up or makes it to a station to be deloused. Or have them run for a few minutes and then be out of power. Lots of possibilities. Mr Epeen if we can get drones that explode pink paint on their target and do not cause aggression... I will train in drones.
Where did you put that cloaking module....actually forget i even asked.... "That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both. |
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.12.10 20:58:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Mathrin wrote:Dave stark wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Dave stark wrote:
so... like light medium and heavy drones do now?
I hate that you beat me to this. i love that you hate me for beating you to this. I love that you love to beat him... And that he loves to be beaten. and i bet you'd love to watch.
Can I record? |
Ager Agemo
Saturn Reaper
143
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Posted - 2012.12.10 21:04:00 -
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Homeworld Cataclysm drones? i like that idea would be nice to have it here, drones that use 1 m3 of drone bay space so you can have lots of them and use them as ammo, or as partial disruptors or alike. |
Battle On
Jita Exiles Strategic Warfare Operations Command
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Posted - 2012.12.10 21:06:00 -
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Merrc wrote:take out propulsion,
web drones
Merrc wrote:take out weapons
ECM
Merrc wrote:or simply start chewing thru shields or armor.
Damage,
You're welcome
[Service] Battle On's Custom and Colored Overviews! |
Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
575
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Posted - 2012.12.10 21:21:00 -
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Battle On wrote:Merrc wrote:take out propulsion, web drones Merrc wrote:take out weapons ECM Merrc wrote:or simply start chewing thru shields or armor. Damage, You're welcome
This breaks down with drone boats.
As in, consider a typical drone boat. Damage will be split 50/50 between turrets and drones. See Tristan, Algos, Vexor, Dominix, etc.
What happens when a Tristan decides to release 5 web drones (because that's what it takes, 5 drones roughly equal to single web module). What happens to DPS? It is cut by 50%.
Now, consider a non-drone boat (boat with drones, but not bonused), such as Drake. Damage will be split about 90/10 between launchers and drones, maybe even more in favour of launchers, if you factor in travel time to target. So, if a Drake pilot decides to field 5 web drones, what happens to DPS? It is cut by only 10%.
As such, a drone boat, a boat DESIGNED to use and carry various types of drones, loses the most when using various types. Especially considering that drone bonuses are only to damage/hp of drones, and not their effectiveness at webbing, EWAR, etc.
That's just one of many, many, MANY things that's broken about the current drones and drone boats. |
baltec1
Bat Country
3208
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Posted - 2012.12.10 22:39:00 -
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They got rid of beehive domi for a reason. |
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
4
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Posted - 2012.12.11 00:41:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:EVE needs Suicide Drones.
Go to launch them and you realize that they left their engines running in the hanger.
They were made into suicide drones with this expansion. Just launch them and watch them suicide themselves for nothing. |
Planktal
Kenshao Industries
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Posted - 2012.12.11 09:34:00 -
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Merrc wrote:Could we get drones that land on opposing ships and take out propulsion, weapons or simply start chewing thru shields or armor. Im too old and slow to keep track of all the flying locusts.
Sounds like you want the Leach-class Breaching Pod from Homeworld Cataclysm.
Here sanity, nice sanity.....*THWOOK* Got the bastard |
Elizabeth Gee
Clean Crisp Lager
0
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Posted - 2012.12.11 11:55:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:This could actually be a fun thing. Drones that just beeline for a ship, clamp to it's hull and do stuff. Like paint it, cause a cap leak or interfere with reppers. They'd have to be pretty small as they would be use-once suicide drones. Once on a hull they stick there until the ship is blown up or makes it to a station to be deloused. Or have them run for a few minutes and then be out of power. Lots of possibilities. Mr Epeen
I like this idea! |
Mund Richard
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Posted - 2012.12.11 12:19:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Pyre leFay wrote:Merrc wrote:drones should actually move in more straight line trajectories-. So they can die even faster. great idea. Considering their stats, such as signature radius, they might as well fly in a straight line and hold up a big huge "Shoot me!" sign while doing so. I mean, think about it. A heavy drone, regardless of whether it is a slow armor tanked Gallente Ogre or a lighter and more nimble shield-tanked Minmatar Berseker, they both have signature radius of 100 m. Ogre has mass of 12,000 kg, and volume of 25 cubic meters. Berserker is 10,000 kg and also 25 cubic meters. Meanwhile, a Vexor, that can hold many of these (5?) and deploy 3, has signature radius of 150m, mass of 10,310,000 kg and volume of 115000 cubic meters. So, a single drone has 2/3rds the sig radius of the ship, while being 0.11% of the ship's mass and 0.02% of the ship's volume. Does this make ANY sense? Anyone? Do these percentages look...right? 66.6% signature, at 0.11% mass and 0.02% volume? How does that happen? Don't. Just don't try to make sense of the numbers, only makes your head hurt. Specially if it affects the sacred balance.
Other fun numbers: stargates should collapse and become a black hole based on their own weight. Or so I've heard. Sarcasm can be like drugs. |
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
21
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Posted - 2012.12.11 12:27:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:They got rid of beehive domi for a reason.
Yes, but couldn't we go for a more subtle approach where drones use differing amount of bandwidth instead.
If, for example, web and light ecm drones used 1/5th the bandwidth of a light scout drone you could choose to launch 5 light scout drones 4 light scout drones plus 5 web drones 3 light scout drones plus 5 web drones plus 5 light ecm drones
The drone boat would lose some of its DPS to gain the equivalent of a single slot module but not as much as it does now.
This would likely require a new skill to allow control of more than 5 drones but drone boat pilots are used to having to have a ridiculous number of skills to function.
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