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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
347
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Posted - 2012.12.12 12:35:00 -
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Just had a thought. Found a nice grav site and couldn't do anything with it cuz I prefer combat, and so I offered its location for a price in local. Everyone started announcing "scam" and so I offered it free, then everyone started announcing "trap"
This is completely understandable, so I fitted up a Venture and mined it out anyway. It was very profitable, sold the ore for more than I was offering to sell the site for. Anyway, there needs to be a method implemented whereby one can sell an exploration site in local and prove that the site exists and isn't a trap. The killrights sale system demonstrates that this is a plausible feature, and if players can make more from the site than what they bought the site for, then they are profiting. Also, it adds a layer to the exploration career, a direct way for explorers to sell their findings to interested parties. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
366
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Posted - 2012.12.12 13:01:00 -
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Put up a contract Mine out the site while waiting for buyer leave one veld roid behind profit.
Unfortunatly I doublt many people would pay for a sate that may be gone by the time they get to it.
Unless a system that shows 'realtime' the % completed rate of a site is in place, and that can be attached to the contract.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
347
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Posted - 2012.12.12 13:04:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Put up a contract Mine out the site while waiting for buyer leave one veld roid behind profit.
Unfortunatly I doublt many people would pay for a sate that may be gone by the time they get to it.
Unless a system that shows 'realtime' the % completed rate of a site is in place, and that can be attached to the contract.
Err... I'm not actually looking to scam anyone, I want to sell the whole site, and I want the player I'm selling it to to know that there is more than just one veld roid left. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Mirima Thurander
Estrada Dynamics - Exploration and Acquisition
448
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Posted - 2012.12.12 13:48:00 -
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Do people in high sec even use grav sites?
I think most high sec miners don't even know grab sites are in high sec. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
351
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Posted - 2012.12.12 13:52:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:Do people in high sec even use grab sites?
I dunno, but I think I'm going to start. It's worth it. In a system that doesn't normally spawn Jaspet or Kernite, for example, I just made close to 30 mil mining one out. Wasn't bothered once. I think miners would go for it if grav sites were made readily available. They're normally lazy by default, hence why they mine, and that's the problem with just making a contract as well, but I suppose a contract can be linked in local chat. But like any other contract, players might just pass it off as a scam. Albeit, I'm sure if there was a system in place for making exploration sites available to local, like kill rights, someone would find a way to exploit it for scamming purposes, so the contract idea is probably sufficient for now. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Mirima Thurander
Estrada Dynamics - Exploration and Acquisition
448
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Posted - 2012.12.12 13:54:00 -
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I think everything but trait should be removed from belts and only found in grav sites.
Would go a long way to improving mining. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
366
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Posted - 2012.12.12 13:55:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote: Err... I'm not actually looking to scam anyone, I want to sell the whole site, and I want the player I'm selling it to to know that there is more than just one veld roid left.
I wasn't saying you were. I was just trying to point out the difficulties in selling a contract of something that may not be there when the buyer gets to it. (Especially in a game like Eve)
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
351
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Posted - 2012.12.12 13:58:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote: Err... I'm not actually looking to scam anyone, I want to sell the whole site, and I want the player I'm selling it to to know that there is more than just one veld roid left.
I wasn't saying you were. I was just trying to point out the difficulties in selling a contract of something that may not be there when the buyer gets to it. (Especially in a game like Eve)
That's just it though, a specific system just for exploration sites with a "try before you buy" clause that requires a deposit or something, and maybe a sec status hit if the full payment isn't honoured.... maybe. I dunno, just throwing thoughts around atm. There's a good idea here somewhere, I'm sure of it. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
351
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Posted - 2012.12.12 14:00:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:I think everything but trait should be removed from belts and only found in grav sites.
Would go a long way to improving mining.
I can see a lot of miners getting very teary about this, I like it. It would also make exploration a more necessary and perhaps profitable venture. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
218
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Posted - 2012.12.12 14:09:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:Do people in high sec even use grav sites?
I think most high sec miners don't even know grab sites are in high sec. The competition for decent highsec grav sites is pretty fierce, as with all other highsec exploration sites. |
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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
354
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Posted - 2012.12.12 14:10:00 -
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Buzzy Warstl wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:Do people in high sec even use grav sites?
I think most high sec miners don't even know grab sites are in high sec. The competition for decent highsec grav sites is pretty fierce, as with all other highsec exploration sites.
I dunno.... no one competed for mine. Maybe people gave up because of this "competition". It's like that old oxymoron: nobody drives in New York, there's too much traffic. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Seranova Farreach
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
32
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Posted - 2012.12.12 17:34:00 -
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i like this idea. should be onc eyou lock it down it popped up in yoru exploration log with some form of marker saying that its fresh and virginal roids are untouched or w/e (could apply to any scanned down site)
and when in exploration log as found but not started it can be sold via contract or gentalmans agreement
IF it gets "opened" by you or any other person it is removed from the contract and exploration log. |
Crimeo Khamsi
AirHogs Zulu People
59
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Posted - 2012.12.12 17:45:00 -
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This is a fine idea, and it could pretty easily be made non-exploitable.
For example, as soon as anybody warps to the site for the first time, the game either: A) Nullifies any unbought contracts involving that site at that moment B) Changes the contract so that it no longer reads "grav site" or whatever but just looks like a normal location C) Includes text on the contracts that mention somebody has visited the site, so that the buyer can beware.
Then unlike other sites, those ones would have titles that officially identify them in contracts as being grav/ladar/radar/mag/WH sites.
So yes, definitely would require some small modification of the game, but nothing too complex, and it would certainly add something to Eve. Especially since a lot of explorers are not equipped to deal with each kind of site, so they are finding them and then earning nothing from their efforts. |
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
366
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Posted - 2012.12.12 17:48:00 -
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Crimeo Khamsi wrote:...so they are finding them and then earning nothing from their efforts.
And this, right here, is the crux, the very essence, of what makes an exploration "career" more of a hobby at the moment.
Sure, an explorer can rig up a ship to take on what they find in addition to their exploration ship, but why not have the option to sell it to someone so they can then immediately move on to the next one? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Seranova Farreach
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
33
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Posted - 2012.12.12 18:32:00 -
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i remember a friend of mine did nullsec sites and when they escalated he would sell the escalation to a friend of his (pre nerf) that required having the guy warp to him. no real point to the story as such.. just saying. |
Hakan MacTrew
Caledonian Heavy Industries Sick N' Twisted
54
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Posted - 2012.12.12 20:21:00 -
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Buzzy Warstl wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:Do people in high sec even use grav sites?
I think most high sec miners don't even know grab sites are in high sec. The competition for decent highsec grav sites is pretty fierce, as with all other highsec exploration sites. A Large Kernite and Omber Deposit turned up in system yesterday. I marked it and went to get one of my Macks, along with an alt in another. By the time I had logged my alt and got back to the system, said site had 2 Omber roids left. This was about 3:30pm, so it took a mere 4 hours after downtime for a large site to be found and stripped bare.
That is how fierce it is. MODULAR DRONES
MORE ORE SHIPS |
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
386
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Posted - 2012.12.13 01:29:00 -
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Hakan MacTrew wrote:Buzzy Warstl wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:Do people in high sec even use grav sites?
I think most high sec miners don't even know grab sites are in high sec. The competition for decent highsec grav sites is pretty fierce, as with all other highsec exploration sites. A Large Kernite and Omber Deposit turned up in system yesterday. I marked it and went to get one of my Macks, along with an alt in another. By the time I had logged my alt and got back to the system, said site had 2 Omber roids left. This was about 3:30pm, so it took a mere 4 hours after downtime for a large site to be found and stripped bare. That is how fierce it is.
I suppose it would depend on where you are, then, because I found something similar yesterday and got six hours on it with it all to myself, completely uncontested, in the Grinacanne system, Gallente high sec. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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