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Yi Winters
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.14 01:17:00 -
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So I use to fly the Manticore back about 5 years ago... I just happen to be caldari so thats what I flew. But I also knew that If you wanted to fly a solid SB, the Manticore was the way to go.
With that being said, Does it still hold true?
Now that Im back in the game and starting from scratch, Im trying something new, Amarr. Is the Purifier a viable SB? Or should I not waste my time?
Im aware that a ship isnt everything and you need skills (sp and a talent to play) and rigs and blah blah blah...
Im just asking straight up, is there a better one?
Thanks!
Yi |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
1218
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Posted - 2012.12.14 02:21:00 -
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Purifier is nice. Using meta equipment and a single fitting mod you can squeeze on pretty much "everything" and get respectable DPS out of it.
It just has no tank unless you are willing to give up a target painter (only has 3 mid-slots) and only deals EM damage, which is good against shield ships, but bad for most everything else. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Zaq Phelps
Ad idem
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Posted - 2012.12.14 02:37:00 -
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Yi Winters wrote:So I use to fly the Manticore back about 5 years ago... I just happen to be caldari so thats what I flew. But I also knew that If you wanted to fly a solid SB, the Manticore was the way to go.
With that being said, Does it still hold true?
Now that Im back in the game and starting from scratch, Im trying something new, Amarr. Is the Purifier a viable SB? Or should I not waste my time?
Im aware that a ship isnt everything and you need skills (sp and a talent to play) and rigs and blah blah blah...
Im just asking straight up, is there a better one?
Thanks!
Yi
In the right hands it was pretty epic against ratters in guristas/serpentis territory, but I don't know if that still holds true with the sleeper AI in the anamolies. |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.14 04:41:00 -
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I think Nemesis is the hardest on fittings, but you can get pretty good fits out of all of them.
In the end, if you plan on being a bomber pilot, its 1 week each to unlock all of them. Just train for all 4, and you're set for whatever group you join that refuses to change the way they do things for arbitrary reasons that haven't made sense in years. |
Yi Winters
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.14 05:26:00 -
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Thanks for the info! Makes me feel like I can't exactly make the "wrong" choice ! To the shadows I go... In time |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2372
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Posted - 2012.12.14 05:28:00 -
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Dorian Wylde wrote:I think Nemesis is the hardest on fittings, but you can get pretty good fits out of all of them.
In the end, if you plan on being a bomber pilot, its 1 week each to unlock all of them. Just train for all 4, and you're set for whatever group you join that refuses to change the way they do things for arbitrary reasons that haven't made sense in years.
I'm not aware of any reason to fly the Nemesis over the Mantcore aside from damage type. Enlighten me?
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Dibblerette
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
105
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Posted - 2012.12.14 07:41:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Dorian Wylde wrote:I think Nemesis is the hardest on fittings, but you can get pretty good fits out of all of them.
In the end, if you plan on being a bomber pilot, its 1 week each to unlock all of them. Just train for all 4, and you're set for whatever group you join that refuses to change the way they do things for arbitrary reasons that haven't made sense in years. I'm not aware of any reason to fly the Nemesis over the Mantcore aside from damage type. Enlighten me? -Liang As far as I've ever heard, the only advantage IS the damage type.
@OP, Thermal is only rarely specifically tanked against. As an example, most shield ships have an EM hole, so people will use one of the rig slots to "patch" it, and then slap an invuln and/or DCU on top. This causes thermal to become the weakest resist on many T1 shield tanked ships. |
Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
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Posted - 2012.12.14 08:40:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote: I'm not aware of any reason to fly the Nemesis over the Mantcore aside from damage type. Enlighten me?
-Liang
Swag. |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
58
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Posted - 2012.12.14 09:28:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Dorian Wylde wrote:I think Nemesis is the hardest on fittings, but you can get pretty good fits out of all of them.
In the end, if you plan on being a bomber pilot, its 1 week each to unlock all of them. Just train for all 4, and you're set for whatever group you join that refuses to change the way they do things for arbitrary reasons that haven't made sense in years. I'm not aware of any reason to fly the Nemesis over the Mantcore aside from damage type. Enlighten me? -Liang
You can get more raw speed out of a Nemesis than a Manticore, and you have a smaller base signature. If you're trying to slip past incoming fire, that helps. The Manticore is more agile, though, and has stronger sensors - harder to jam - but the Nemesis has a slightly better scan resolution. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5486
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Posted - 2012.12.14 11:18:00 -
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It's worth noting that once you can fly one bomber, you're only 512,000 SP away from flying any other bomber. Really, all that you should be asking is which one you ought to train for first.
I'd say that the Manticore is as good as any of the others, and the extra fitting room & midslot it has can come in handy for solo work. What really counts is what damage type you want to deal. If you're going to hunt ratters in Guristas space, then obviously a Kinetic bonused bomber isn't optimal; a Purifier is going to be far superior for this purpose. On the other hand if you want to go ratting in Guristas space, then the Manticore is indisputably the best. And so on. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
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Noisrevbus
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Posted - 2012.12.14 11:52:00 -
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As others have already mentioned: you need to define what you want to do with the ship.
You have four different ships, with two different slot layouts: they are good for different things.
PvE - PvP Solo - Group Different groups Roles in group Bomber - Torping Dropping - Roaming Shooting - Tackling (utility) Damage types (targets) Fitting disparity (some things can't be done)
etc.
In general, the Purifier is a good ship - i'd even go as far as to say that i belive it's potential is undervalued by many players. |
Yi Winters
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.14 14:46:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:It's worth noting that once you can fly one bomber, you're only 512,000 SP away from flying any other bomber. Really, all that you should be asking is which one you ought to train for first.
I'd say that the Manticore is as good as any of the others, and the extra fitting room & midslot it has can come in handy for solo work. What really counts is what damage type you want to deal. If you're going to hunt ratters in Guristas space, then obviously a Kinetic bonused bomber isn't optimal; a Purifier is going to be far superior for this purpose. On the other hand if you want to go ratting in Guristas space, then the Manticore is indisputably the best. And so on.
Great points, thank you
Noisrevbus wrote:As others have already mentioned: you need to define what you want to do with the ship.
You have four different ships, with two different slot layouts: they are good for different things.
PvE - PvP Solo - Group Different groups Roles in group Bombing - Torping Shooting - Tackling (utility) Dropping - Roaming - Camping Damage types (targets) Fitting disparity (some things can't be done)
etc.
In general, the Purifier is a good ship - i'd even go as far as to say that i belive it's potential is undervalued by many.
At the same time, without knowing how you intend to fly the ship i can't assess wether you'd realise it's potential or be better off with the ship of another race, or a completely different class of ship.
Id be attempting a little PVP action. Mostly Solo or in Small groups I would guess. But thats still a few weeks out. |
Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
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Posted - 2012.12.14 15:01:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Dorian Wylde wrote:I think Nemesis is the hardest on fittings, but you can get pretty good fits out of all of them.
In the end, if you plan on being a bomber pilot, its 1 week each to unlock all of them. Just train for all 4, and you're set for whatever group you join that refuses to change the way they do things for arbitrary reasons that haven't made sense in years. I'm not aware of any reason to fly the Nemesis over the Mantcore aside from damage type. Enlighten me? -Liang It looks cooler. |
Backfyre
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.14 16:36:00 -
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The best SB is the one you can properly fit and fly.
Nemesis vs Manticore all depends upon target damage type. An untanked noctis has 8710 EHP vs thermal and 9418 vs kinetic. |
Marz Ghola
Royal Order of Security Specialists Late Night Alliance
27
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Posted - 2012.12.14 17:47:00 -
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Another thing is to simply train the racial sb which gives you damage type needed to continuously fix sec status hits. I have used puri for this in the past. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
509
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Posted - 2012.12.14 20:37:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:It's worth noting that once you can fly one bomber, you're only 512,000 SP away from flying any other bomber. Really, all that you should be asking is which one you ought to train for first.
That's a loaded statement though. it is still at least 20 days more training, if you are mapped for it. Granted there are longer trains out there, but unless you are flying them all the time I personally have way more other things I'd rather be spending almost a month training before I train for all varieties of SB.
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