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irishFour
Mobile Meth Lab Monkeys
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Posted - 2012.12.15 22:12:00 -
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Below is a fit i just made for a thrasher. Since the nerf to hmls, I'm at a loss to what would be a good small gang/home defense ship.
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1-S5yFaxe9dEzgiS_CuhCQ8GqVtrepr7Jus2iV67m4lY/edit
I worry about the survivability against battlecruiser, drones, and faction cruisers. As those would be the primary targets. Battleships wouldnt do much, and I think It would handle most non faction frigates.
Im not a pvp expert, so please give me some advice.
I like to have my cake and eat it too |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
496
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Posted - 2012.12.15 23:12:00 -
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you worried about survivability and therefore decided to skip fitting a tank?
here are two popular AC fittings:
Quote:[Thrasher, shield] Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II
Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Core Defense Field Extender I Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Quote:[Thrasher, armor] Damage Control II 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Upgraded 1MN Microwarpdrive I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S 5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Small Projectile Burst Aerator I Small Trimark Armor Pump I Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Artillery Thrashers often omit tank, here's one example (3rd mid and 3rd rig slot can be varied):
Quote:[Thrasher, arty] Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Sensor Booster II,Scan Resolution Script
280mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet Titanium Sabot S
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Zarnak Wulf
Imperial Outlaws
774
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Posted - 2012.12.16 00:03:00 -
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For close range, the Catalyst will beat down an AC Thrasher. It simply has more firepower that it can project farther. It is also faster. The Algos has similar firepower to the AC Thrasher while sporting around 40% more EHP.
For long range the beam Coercer or rail Corm/Cat again push more firepower further. They are also more forgiving with a higher rate of fire and quick ammo changes. Unless you need the alpha for breaking through logistics, the Thrasher is obsolete. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
283
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Posted - 2012.12.16 05:35:00 -
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Arty thrasher best thrasher. |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
194
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Posted - 2012.12.16 08:51:00 -
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TD thrasher best thrasher.
An AC thrasher will eat drones without much difficulty, presuming you've got the tank to survive them long enough to do so. It's not so great against battlecruisers unless you can dogpile one running solo and shut it down with ewar. And perhaps this is just me, but I wouldn't put an afterburner on a destroyer except for a few gimmick fits. You will just get kited by everything.
Honestly, if you need disposable, accessible home defense ships, a mix of frigates and cruisers is probably a better bet. |
Kilroy Nightbarr
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.12.16 21:37:00 -
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Quote:i need some critical comments
You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny.
(Sorry, too easy.) |
Vito Tattaglia
New Paradigm Inc.
52
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Posted - 2012.12.17 04:27:00 -
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Drop the Webifier for a Medium Shield Extender II. Rigs should focus on shield. Replace Afterburner with Micro Warpdrive.
Besides that, it looks half decent. |
Aria Ta'Rohk
Bear Bumpers United
35
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Posted - 2012.12.17 06:11:00 -
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Thrasher: Lock Pop it Pod it
Highs: 280mm Howitzer Artillery II x6
Mids: Limited 1mn Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Lows: Gyrostabilizer II x2
Rigs: Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Small Projectile Burst Aerator I
Use close range ammo, and just instapop most frigs. Web anything that gets close and pull away, then pop them. Fairly simple ship to fly.
I'll take 2 carebears to go, with extra tears |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation Unclaimed.
290
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Posted - 2012.12.17 09:25:00 -
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For small gang/ defense fleets I would go with the arty thrasher. Once the fleets engage just hunt down their fast tackle and insta-pop them. That will be your primary purpose. If you get that done then you can start acting like tackle and going after larger ships. Your worst enemies are going to be cruisers and BC's as they have that much more tank and dmg, with enough ewar through webs, neuts etc to murder you.
Your defense is that there are other ships in your fleet that the enemy will want to kill first, if they decide your a problem you will die. Fast. and there's not a lot you can do about it - Nulla Curas |
takedoom
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
22
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Posted - 2012.12.19 03:25:00 -
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You need to fit 6x2500mm Repeating Artillery I on all the turret slots. http://spinthatdamnship.ytmnd.com/
I am not a thief. I am a treasure hunter. |
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Ayuren Aakiwa
Wyvern Operations
35
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Posted - 2012.12.20 05:27:00 -
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Fit a 10mn afterburner, a meta medium shield extender, and some nano's . You might have to drop the guns to 150's instead of 200's I don't remember exactly. I used this ship a lot though the 10mn afterburner does a lot for it and negates heavy missile damage well, any larger weapons really. pew pew 24/7 |
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