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Roime Shiva Furnace 1445	Posted - 2012.12.23 07:12:00 - [271] - Quote Then test the ship and fit with your friend, like everyone else. So many excuses. I tried to remove this sig.
Varius Xeral Galactic Trade Syndicate 58	Posted - 2012.12.23 07:14:00 - [272] - Quote dude...you just re-invented sisi
Diesel47 painkiller. 340	Posted - 2012.12.23 08:44:00 - [273] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: This idea is disgusting. If it ever happens I will quit with my two accounts and take as many people with me as possible. I hope CCP learned their lesson with Incarna because this would be even worse. yes.
Marcus Caspius 87	Posted - 2012.12.23 08:57:00 - [274] - Quote Toshiroma McDiesel wrote: It's already there, I'd consider RvB to be EVEs arena. Atleast in most ways. True dat! Grammatical error and spelling mistakes are included for your entertainment!
EvEa Deva State War Academy Caldari State 157	Posted - 2012.12.23 09:30:00 - [275] - Quote Low, Null, Wardecs, FW, suicide ganks, corp/alliance, test server, alliance tournament, that other tournament. I really don't need some A-hole spamming duel requests to everyone that undocks from a trade hub station X100. Plus it starts an endless nerf/buff/balance whine ( well makes it worse ).
Roime Shiva Furnace 1447	Posted - 2012.12.23 10:47:00 - [276] - Quote Lord Wiggin wrote: I think I see why so many people are against Arenas. You see it daily in EVE. The people that are against Arenas are simply too scared to fight a straight up battle.....They always have to have help.... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&view=kills&plt_id=140500&m=12&y=2012 What do you actually see every day on Amarr undock when you kill noobships and pods with your friends, or when you used to blob in null? It would appear to me that you are the one who is afraid of flying solo out in the wild. I tried to remove this sig.
EMPRA Trident RMBK 4	Posted - 2012.12.23 11:04:00 - [277] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Every time an arena is added to an MMO all the other pvp dies. So true.
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 730	Posted - 2012.12.23 15:47:00 - [278] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: This idea is disgusting. If it ever happens I will quit with my two accounts and take as many people with me as possible. I hope CCP learned their lesson with Incarna because this would be even worse. Maybe I missed another post but, you aren't exactly expressing your ideas why arena is such a bad idea. So, let me throw some out there and maybe you can tell me if I'm understand where you're coming from or not. Arena is a bad idea because: 1) It'll make pvp safe and therefore people won't want to pvp for real. I can see the concern here. But, it can be done in such a way as to not draw away people from real pvp. It can have a cost to participate. It can be held in a specific system making it necessary to travel to do it. It can be the home of P2W. No accolades, km's or rewards can be given thereby removing it as status driven activity. It's never going to drive people out of dangerous space. As long as there's no profit motive for the players, it won't usurp routine player activity in those areas. I'm truly interested in knowing why arena's, in your opinion, are "disgusting". 2) No risk pvp is lame and for losers. Oh? Ever go to Sisi? Ever spar with a corp-mate? 3) It's a slippery slope to be more WoW like. Can't argue with this. But again, if done correctly it's not going to displace residents in dangerous space. You'll still have your pvp there. And arenas won't replace the joy most eve players get from ruining someone else's day. Besides, most, day to day, pvp is about ambushing, not pitting fleets against each other using 17th century battle rules. If anything, by providing an in game facility to test one's mettle, it should provide richer pvp environments in the long run. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5839	Posted - 2012.12.23 15:51:00 - [279] - Quote yeah, look at all the other examples of instancing in the game, such as ~a proud belligerent undesirable~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. An idea for improving corp management
baltec1 Bat Country 3391	Posted - 2012.12.23 16:13:00 - [280] - Quote Mr Kidd wrote: If anything, by providing an in game facility to test one's mettle, it should provide richer pvp environments in the long run. Every other MMO that did this ended up with no pvp outside of arenas.
Nariya Kentaya Tartarus Ventures Surely You're Joking 237	Posted - 2012.12.23 17:45:00 - [281] - Quote Lord Wiggin wrote: I think I see why so many people are against Arenas. You see it daily in EVE. The people that are against Arenas are simply too scared to fight a straight up battle.....They always have to have help.... hopefully just joking, but ill answer seriuosly anyways. No, Arenas would lower pvp in all other parts of the game by so much because "why risk a hotdrop when i can be guaranteed a fair fight?" that the only place to GET pvp would be in an arena, lowsec owuld be EMPTY, null would be EMPTY, people would just hang around highsec doing "pvp" until they are dragged to a tower shoot, then back to highsec. i live in WH's, i prefer people who want to roam to find pvp, gives me something to chase and taunt (though im personally no good at remembering to web/scram before they warp).
Myfanwy Heimdal Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc 188	Posted - 2012.12.23 19:19:00 - [282] - Quote I think that I must have shouted No, No, No a hundred times and then I had a thought. Why shouldn't players be allowed to build Acceleration Gates of thier own which point to random spots in system. Player A could then tell Player B where the gate is and then meet there. This then gives them a small arena of space in which to duel. And, of course, they can still be scanned down when they are in the pocket of space (and anyone jumping in will jump directly to that spot). This satisfies those who wish to arrange a scrap of their own, satisfies those who wish to find them and, most important, doesn't break Eve canon. Make sure that the gates cost the appropriate amount and require the necessary skills. Then we can have a new breed of fight promoters, tournaments or what have we. But please don't just make an Arena. - Myfanwy
killorbekilled TBE Initiated 136	Posted - 2012.12.23 19:25:00 - [283] - Quote Mr Kidd wrote: masternerdguy wrote: This idea is disgusting. If it ever happens I will quit with my two accounts and take as many people with me as possible. I hope CCP learned their lesson with Incarna because this would be even worse. Maybe I missed another post but, you aren't exactly expressing your ideas why arena is such a bad idea. So, let me throw some out there and maybe you can tell me if I'm understand where you're coming from or not. Arena is a bad idea because: 1) It'll make pvp safe and therefore people won't want to pvp for real. I can see the concern here. But, it can be done in such a way as to not draw away people from real pvp. It can have a cost to participate. It can be held in a specific system making it necessary to travel to do it. It can be the home of P2W. No accolades, km's or rewards can be given thereby removing it as status driven activity. It's never going to drive people out of dangerous space. As long as there's no profit motive for the players, it won't usurp routine player activity in those areas. I'm truly interested in knowing why arena's, in your opinion, are "disgusting". 2) No risk pvp is lame and for losers. Oh? Ever go to Sisi? Ever spar with a corp-mate? 3) It's a slippery slope to be more WoW like. Can't argue with this. But again, if done correctly it's not going to displace residents in dangerous space. You'll still have your pvp there. And arenas won't replace the joy most eve players get from ruining someone else's day. Besides, most, day to day, pvp is about ambushing, not pitting fleets against each other using 17th century battle rules. If anything, by providing an in game facility to test one's mettle, it should provide richer pvp environments in the long run. because just no .... TrollorbeTrolled
Cambarus Aliastra Gallente Federation 227	Posted - 2012.12.23 23:57:00 - [284] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: An arena would more likely see PvP instead of the current PvPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP we see now. Now? People have been referring to eve's pvp as pvppppppp since I started playing at the very least, and that was back in 06. And again, this comes down to this: If you dislike one of the core aspects of the game, then you don't really like eve. Marlona Sky wrote: That is an asinine statement. Just because someone has an issue with an aspect of the game does not equate to them not liking the game. I don't like how the local channel is used, but does that mean I hate EVE? Of course not. If I did I would not be playing. It really isn't. We're not talking about some small issue here, like a balance aspect or a certain ship class. We're talking about one of the core, central aspects of the game. Not liking how eve pvp works at its core is like not liking that eve is a spaceship game; if you dislike one, you dislike the game as a whole, and what you REALLY want is something superficially LIKE eve. As for the issue of what it would do to people pvping, consider this: Every person who decides to start pvping in arenas will likely stop pvping in open space. It has been said many times in this thread that people who prey on pvpers with no skill are lame, but what about the people who shoot said predators? And the people who shoot those people? Fewer people in open pvp means less targets for EVERYONE, which in turn makes arenas that more attractive, pulling more people away from open pvp etc. Without targets floating around there goes the thrill of the hunt, the quickened pulse, the shaky hands that start up BECAUSE you know damn well that this fight may well be a trap and you know damn well that one way or another, it won't be fair. That's what makes eve's pvp great. You want fair? Go play something else, because of all the things that eve is, fair 'aint one of 'em.
YuuKnow Inner 5phere 506	Posted - 2012.12.24 00:11:00 - [285] - Quote The only place I really see arena's fitting in is if they were incorporated into faction warfar. Perhaps a couple of warpgates that led to the same combat area and landed at random spots into a Alliance Tournament style arena where tatical warping was limited and slowboat and MW were the principal propulsion inside. Somewhere in the arena a Faction Warfare specific target/control point was located and the two factions vying for control of it. yk
Opertone Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels 201	Posted - 2012.12.24 10:15:00 - [286] - Quote I suggest virtual arenas with bets and tournaments... All arranged from inside stations. Virtual - emulation, special environment where you can not run away or interfere with others.
March rabbit Aliastra 294	Posted - 2012.12.24 10:43:00 - [287] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Every time an arena is added to an MMO all the other pvp dies. natural selection ans stuff?
Meryl SinGarda Daisy Cutter's The Irukandji 709	Posted - 2012.12.24 10:47:00 - [288] - Quote For arenas to work, it would have to not detract from regular PVP that already happens. CEO of B.U.T.T.
March rabbit Aliastra 294	Posted - 2012.12.24 11:01:00 - [289] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: The idea isn't without merit, but would have to be done very carefully in a game such as Eve. I would like to see us provide more and better support and tools for those players who are running or want to run their own tournaments and leagues. I think the Alliance Tournaments and New Eden Open have proved there's a place for sporting events in a game like Eve, and those kind of events are even better when they are player initiated and run. You do realize if the griefers in this game can't interfere with this thing, if players are running them, they will nerd rage so hard. you said it like griefers are someone you would listen and why care about their whine?
Alrione Black Lagoon Inc. 268	Posted - 2012.12.24 11:30:00 - [290] - Quote This is the worst idea ever. No. Just, no.
March rabbit Aliastra 294	Posted - 2012.12.24 12:58:00 - [291] - Quote baltec1 wrote: AKilla Sunday wrote: It's funny how almost everyone against it hints at the fact they will not be able to pray on the weak and lame. No we don't like it because arenas have killed the pvp outside of them in every game they were put into. some people say those games was killed by goons and not by some mythical arenas or....
Valleria Darkmoon No Salvation 47	Posted - 2012.12.24 13:34:00 - [292] - Quote highonpop wrote: Ocih wrote: baltec1 wrote: Every time an arena is added to an MMO all the other pvp dies. You do realize it's dead in EVE too? An Arena wouldn't stop the T1 Industrial farming at low sec bottlenecks or PvE fit kill mails in anoms. Outside of those and random roaming kills, there is no PvP in EVE. not to be mean. but you're an idiot pvp is dead? do you follow eve-kill.net? do you follow battleclinic's killboard? pvp is alive and well. just because you can't think outside the box you've put your small brain inside, doesn't mean pvp is dead. The only people who really think PvP or even solo is dead are those without the courage to really go and look. Forget the mountain of killboards to back up the idea that PvP happens all the time and the dev post about how a ship has exploded once every 6 seconds while the server has been active. Everyone who uses the map and is REALLY looking for players to shoot never seems to have any trouble finding fights. Granted once you get into a populated system you have to size up the situation and possibly bait or otherwise setup a favorable outcome and it can sometimes take a while but you can certainly get it done. Arenas would dumb it all the way down to the point where anyone with a mouse can click the giant red button and bypass their incompetence for at least as long as it takes to get into the arena. I find the players tag themselves with the term PvP far too easily in this game. About 40% of the kills I've ever gotten never even locked me much less fired a shot and 90% of those were in corps that "do PvP", perhaps they missed the meeting. These are ships that are combat capable and fitted no less, I do not farm haulers (not to say you are safe from me in one). Lose the fear and go for it rather than insisting you have to be told what to expect at all times. Try this: commit yourself to losing some ships in PvP AND commit yourself to dying in a GLORIOUS fire. Don't just warp to grid, get tackled before you warp back out again and meekly try to escape and end up dying in a fire that could easily be overshadowed by lighting a fart . You might even win and you might even like it.
Sura Sadiva Entropic Tactical Crew 109	Posted - 2012.12.24 13:47:00 - [293] - Quote YuuKnow wrote: The only place I really see arena's fitting in is if they were incorporated into faction warfar. Perhaps a couple of warpgates that led to the same combat area and landed at random spots into a Alliance Tournament style arena where tatical warping was limited and slowboat and MW were the principal propulsion inside. Somewhere in the arena a Faction Warfare specific target/control point was located and the two factions vying for control of it. yk It's alreadu so. FW plexes.
Valleria Darkmoon No Salvation 47	Posted - 2012.12.24 13:48:00 - [294] - Quote Meryl SinGarda wrote: For arenas to work, it would have to not detract from regular PVP that already happens. Seems impossible to me. If you are fighting in arenas you are not fighting elsewhere. Lots of people will be attracted by the ease of it and will leave other PvP behind. It seems to me that if you wanted to kill normal PvP in EVE, arenas are the fastest and easiest way to do it. Sov warfare and whatnot will likely not really change much but the small gang scene would pretty much completely dry up and all those great videos that have come out throughout the years would dry up as well. Lots of people have posted large scale fleet fight videos but has anyone ever really been interested in watching one? There are far too many people there for me to give a rat's ass what happens to anyone in particular and I give less than a rat's ass which entity wins. No one is going to do anything that stands out as awesome. It's just going to be boring television, on par with bad reception. Sure you could post arena footage but it would get really routine really quickly and is less exciting to watch because you know no one else is going to show up unexpectedly. It will get especially boring when the ridiculously overtanked fits show up, trust me it would happen an awful lot. When I was in Heretics I lost track of the number of 1v1s people in corp won while taking 20 mins to do it because they had to run a zero dps fit with a full cargo bay out of cap charges, or had to call a draw because they ran out of ammo. I can't imagine arenas could ever be good for the PvP lifestyle.
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 735	Posted - 2012.12.24 15:18:00 - [295] - Quote Valleria Darkmoon wrote: The only people who really think PvP or even solo is dead are those without the courage to really go and look. Wrong in so many ways. Allow me to rephrase that for you. The only people who think solo pvp is still alive are the folks who can spend 6 hours a day 7 days a week looking for it. The reality is, if you go looking for it "solo", you're chances of running into a gate camp, a blob and other various superior forces are much higher than finding a solo, matched fight. Anyone who has actually gone out there looking for the good solo fight knows this to which I must conclude you have not. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!
March rabbit Aliastra 296	Posted - 2012.12.24 16:04:00 - [296] - Quote Valleria Darkmoon wrote: Meryl SinGarda wrote: For arenas to work, it would have to not detract from regular PVP that already happens. Seems impossible to me. If you are fighting in arenas you are not fighting elsewhere. Lots of people will be attracted by the ease of it and will leave other PvP behind. It seems to me that if you wanted to kill normal PvP in EVE, arenas are the fastest and easiest way to do it. Sov warfare and whatnot will likely not really change much but the small gang scene would pretty much completely dry up and all those great videos that have come out throughout the years would dry up as well. you completely ignore players who don't do "normal PvP in Eve" (you sure we can use "normal" here?). Reasons are different but those players DON"T DO IT already. And if arena can get them to PvP (it will get me at least, see below) - i guess this would help the whole game to become more interesting. And yes, i have killboard stats. And yes, 30+ kills for last month but this is not PvP. This is KM whoring Why i don't do PvP? Because i see how "experienced PvPers" do it. You fight one - you fight logi/bumper/booster/etc.... You get someone to "1vs1" and get suspect to start action somewhere near far planet? Fool! Some "neutrals" warp in when you already pointed and kill you. You don't need to leave major trade hubs to see it. However should we have PvP you can be proud of - i would play it. I've tried 1vs1 when it was possible. Killed someone, got killed several times. It is fun. So i guess many "bears" will do - try "PvP".
Tarvos Telesto Blood Fanatics 496	Posted - 2012.12.24 16:11:00 - [297] - Quote Hi all. Again EvE is mmo for mass, a unique game where no solo pvp in general and no small scale instant pvp, game that force you to pay atention and thinking, thats all, people know this and they mention arenas, simple. No need to wrote poem about this, everyone know ... EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Renan Ruivo Vera Cruz. Nulli Secunda 920	Posted - 2012.12.24 16:48:00 - [298] - Quote Yes please. I love betting in sports events, and if i can bet ISK in EVE all the better. The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Nex apparatu5 Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore 404	Posted - 2012.12.24 17:02:00 - [299] - Quote And while we're at it, let's introduce a PVP flag. If you're going to let pvpers pick their fights and PvP in complete safety, why not let PVErs?
Ares Desideratus Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 33	Posted - 2012.12.24 17:14:00 - [300] - Quote It just doesn't make sense to NOT have arenas. It doesn't have to be for large scale battles. "Safe" or "legitimate" 1v1s in a high-sec arena would not break PvP. There is no reason to not have them lore or storywise. The game just doesn't make sense without them, it's like, why the ** wouldn't a game with as much combat as Eve have an arena? The people saying "No," and "Oh it's a bad idea," are seriously ******. You don't have to use the arena if you don't like it.

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