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Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
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Posted - 2012.12.19 15:55:00 -
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Newbie question, have mercy with me.
Obviously the Venture isn't only meant as a beginner mining ship - the +2 warp core wouldn't make sense when you are in High Sec only. Somehow it gives the impression that ship is meant to be used for ninja mining in lower security.
At least that was my idea. I bought one of those, put some shield stuff and a cloaking device (so I could hide from evil pirates) and even extra warp core stabilizers (I am paranoid) on and went to low sec first to give it a try. And was killed by the first 3 Serpentis I met (and no, it wasn't battleship serpentis...), because my two Hobgoblin I (with somewhat lame droid skills I have) couldn't kill them fast enough before I was dead.
So, here's my question: How do you actually mine with a Venture in Lowsec or even Highsec? I don't mind players, but what to do with the npc in the belts? Just avoid them, only jump to empty belts and leave the second a npc appears? Or is there a fitting that would allow me to kill them with the lonely two droids I can put in the bay? Would have two Hobgoblin II with better droid skills make a difference?
Do people have experience with using the Venture in Nullsec/Lowsec?
Thanks in advance!
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Inkarr Hashur
Sine Nobilitatis Mildly Sober
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Posted - 2012.12.19 16:01:00 -
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Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:
So, here's my question: How do you actually mine with a Venture in Lowsec
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Zhu Khan
Tritanium Industries and Technology SQUEE.
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Posted - 2012.12.19 16:18:00 -
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A Venture pack with a drone swarm or hop belts when anything appears. T2 drones also make a difference. I'm working on using one in nullsec to mine Mercoxit and run whenever anything shows up. |
Dave stark
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Posted - 2012.12.19 16:48:00 -
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how do you mine in low sec? you don't. only idiots mine in low sec, to be blunt. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
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Posted - 2012.12.19 17:00:00 -
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If you're considering using the Venture in low-sec, you may want to examine its capabilities as a gas harvester more than its mining ability. It really is a great platform for gas harvesting, plus the non-combat low-sec ladar sites don't have rats, so all you have to worry about are other players. That's where that warp core bonus can come in handy.
If you can fly T2 drones, the two in your hold should be able to take on anything in 0.5 space and up. If you're in hi-sec, you could even consider putting a remote armor repper in your utility high to repair your drones if they take too much heat. Honestly though, you should be getting into a barge pretty quickly if you plan on sticking around hi sec. Lighting a cyno to your heart... |
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
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Posted - 2012.12.19 17:51:00 -
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Thanks a lot for the answers so far.
Dave stark wrote:how do you mine in low sec? you don't. only idiots mine in low sec, to be blunt.
Maybe I am an idiot, but I like mining in Lowsec or Nullsec. I don't care about ISK/hour.
Two answers suggest to mine in packs - that would mean that the Venture isn't meant for solo mining in Nullsec/Lowsec, maybe you're right. I will try again with T2 drones and better drone skills and see how far I get.
And thanks for the hint about low-sec ladar sites, Bridgette - being the noob I am I didn't know that they don't have rats, somehow I assumed all sites have rats.
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Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
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Posted - 2012.12.19 18:21:00 -
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Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:And thanks for the hint about low-sec ladar sites, Bridgette - being the noob I am I didn't know that they don't have rats, somehow I assumed all sites have rats.
True ladar sites (the nebulas where the gas clouds are found), don't have rats in high or low sec, as far as I have found. Combat ladar sites have pretty much nothing but rats and a few hackable containers. Make sure you know what type you're jumping into before you do so. If it says Nebula, you should be good to go. Anything else and you're likely to get blown up.
Note: I can't really speak for WH space. My understanding is that their ladar sites do have rats and they will mess you up quickly. Lighting a cyno to your heart... |
Diremage
Stability Critically Disrupted Seekers of the Unseen
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Posted - 2012.12.19 19:43:00 -
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WH Ladar sites do have rats, which tend to spawn a few minutes after you start harvesting the clouds. Compared to the combat sites, the rats are pushovers, but they are sleepers and they are more than adequate to take down a few ill-prepared huffers. |
Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
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Posted - 2012.12.19 20:43:00 -
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If you're paying attention with an AB and a small shield booster I've found you can tank most lowsec rats fine with some manual flying. Ctrl-9 to get rid of the HUD, turn up your music and zip between the asteroids blasting them with psychedelic blue mining beams! Wheeeeee! |
Otto Toten
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.20 02:01:00 -
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I have already destroyed three Ventures so much for the 2+ warp strength. |
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Artimedus
Killer Carebears Inc.
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Posted - 2012.12.20 09:08:00 -
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Otto Toten wrote:I have already destroyed three Ventures so much for the 2+ warp strength.
Congrats what do you want an award? Apparantly blowing up defenseless mining ships is a sign of a bada** NOT! |
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2012.12.20 09:12:00 -
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You warp from belt tobelt till you find some belt thats empty! If rats come in stick your dronens onto them and align out, if your close to dieing just warp!
(and fit max tank, as most ventures die before they can align out, if a actual pirate comes into theri belt!) |
bubble trout
Sky Fighters Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.12.20 09:33:00 -
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Diremage wrote: Edit: At least, I know for a fact that c5 WH ladar (and grav) sites have sleepers. I would assume that lower-end ladar sites also have sleeper spawns, but I don't know that from personal experience.
Yep all w-space gravs and ladars have rats.
http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WormholeSpace#master_list
Scroll down and it lists all of the gravs and ladars, what rats spawn, what it takes to kill them and number and type of rock/gas. |
Otto Toten
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.20 12:47:00 -
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Artimedus wrote:Otto Toten wrote:I have already destroyed three Ventures so much for the 2+ warp strength. Congrats what do you want an award? Apparantly blowing up defenseless mining ships is a sign of a bada** NOT!
Apply a little heat, they pop like popcorn.
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2012.12.20 13:47:00 -
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Zhu Khan wrote:A Venture pack with a drone swarm or hop belts when anything appears. T2 drones also make a difference. I'm working on using one in nullsec to mine Mercoxit and run whenever anything shows up.
Also look into the Drone Interfacing skill. It gives a huge bonus to drone damage.
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Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
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Posted - 2012.12.20 14:31:00 -
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Otto Toten wrote:I have already destroyed three Ventures so much for the 2+ warp strength.
Hehe, that's fine - without the thrill of getting destroyed it wouldn't be interesting mining in Lowsec or Nullsec.
Do you have the killmails for those 3? I am interested about the fitting of the Ventures you killed.
Oh, and thanks for the link, bubble trout! |
Gibbo5771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.12.20 14:42:00 -
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Diremage wrote:WH Ladar sites do have rats, which tend to spawn a few minutes after you start harvesting the clouds. Compared to the combat sites, the rats are pushovers, but they are sleepers and they are more than adequate to take down a few ill-prepared huffers.
Edit: At least, I know for a fact that c5 WH ladar (and grav) sites have sleepers. I would assume that lower-end ladar sites also have sleeper spawns, but I don't know that from personal experience.
All ladars in WH space have sleepers, they spawn 15 minutes after you initiate warp the site. |
Otto Toten
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.20 18:32:00 -
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Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:Otto Toten wrote:I have already destroyed three Ventures so much for the 2+ warp strength. Hehe, that's fine - without the thrill of getting destroyed it wouldn't be interesting mining in Lowsec or Nullsec. Do you have the killmails for those 3? I am interested about the fitting of the Ventures you killed. Oh, and thanks for the link, bubble trout!
Here ya go.
2012.12.08 18:41:00
Victim: Te Jay Corp: Academy xCAPx Alliance: Unknown Faction: Unknown Destroyed: Venture System: Elarel Security: 0.4 Damage Taken: 642
Involved parties:
Name: Otto Toten (laid the final blow) Security: -1.50 Corp: Sebiestor Tribe Alliance: None Faction: None Ship: Rupture Weapon: Dual 180mm AutoCannon II Damage Done: 642
Destroyed items:
Miner I
Dropped items:
Miner I
2012.12.08 21:20:00
Victim: Dread Warlord Corp: Academy xCAPx Alliance: Unknown Faction: Unknown Destroyed: Venture System: Elarel Security: 0.4 Damage Taken: 541
Involved parties:
Name: Otto Toten (laid the final blow) Security: -1.60 Corp: Sebiestor Tribe Alliance: None Faction: None Ship: Pilgrim Weapon: Hammerhead II Damage Done: 541
Destroyed items:
Miner II
Dropped items:
Miner II
2012.12.19 13:02:00
Victim: Selnaris Maulerant Corp: Iynx Teledyne Armory Alliance: The Chogo Ri Commonwealth Faction: Unknown Destroyed: Venture System: Elarel Security: 0.4 Damage Taken: 574
Involved parties:
Name: Otto Toten (laid the final blow) Security: -1.60 Corp: Sebiestor Tribe Alliance: None Faction: None Ship: Pilgrim Weapon: Hammerhead II Damage Done: 574
Destroyed items:
Small Ancillary Shield Booster Core Scanner Probe I, Qty: 8 (Cargo) Small Drone Control Range Augmentor I Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Drone Mining Augmentor I Miner II Core Probe Launcher I (Cargo) Experimental 1MN Afterburner I Noctis Blueprint (Copy) (Cargo) Cap Booster 25, Qty: 5
Dropped items:
Navitas Blueprint (Copy) (Cargo) Cap Booster 25, Qty: 11 (Cargo) Survey Scanner II Miner II Mining Laser Upgrade I Antimatter Charge S Blueprint (Copy) (Cargo)
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Mire Stoude
Antelope with Night Vision Goggles
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Posted - 2012.12.20 19:12:00 -
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If you mine in low sec, any NPC other than a frig can be speed tanked with an AB. Just orbit a roid at whatever distance keeps you from bouncing off the fewest roids and stagger your mining turrets so you don't cap out. Mining drones will get popped, even if they didn't they would have to chase you down to get you the ore, so if you have to resort to this method just recall your drones.
The only real problem is NPC frigs as they can't be speed tanked or killed very well in the venture. Sometimes just better to move on to the next belt. If you don't have a corp mate that can kill the rats, sweep the belts once in a combat frig to clear the NPC frigs then return in your venture (you will have to repeat that once an hour or so as more warp in).
If any hostiles are in system just keep the dscan spinning. If you see a combat ship or combat probes on scan, cloak or dock up. |
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
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Posted - 2012.12.20 19:20:00 -
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Any idea if the last two guys were paying attention? The Rupture/ACII kill I can see pretty easily if they weren't using DScan. That thing would shred a Venture, but the drones? Granted, you could uncloak next to them, but you still need to target them, deploy drones, and issue a command. Did you cap the Venture out? I would have loved to see a video of these kills.
Sad panda that the Noctis BPC was destroyed but not the Navitas BPC. Lighting a cyno to your heart... |
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2012.12.20 21:22:00 -
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Diremage wrote:WH Ladar sites do have rats, which tend to spawn a few minutes after you start harvesting the clouds. Compared to the combat sites, the rats are pushovers, but they are sleepers and they are more than adequate to take down a few ill-prepared huffers.
Edit: At least, I know for a fact that c5 WH ladar (and grav) sites have sleepers. I would assume that lower-end ladar sites also have sleeper spawns, but I don't know that from personal experience.
both types of mining site in WH's have a minor sleeper presence a solo HAC or Gila can deal with C4 sites, possibly a C5 too your biggest threat will be other players, not the sleepres |
Otto Toten
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.20 23:40:00 -
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Bridgette d'Iberville wrote:Any idea if the last two guys were paying attention? The Rupture/ACII kill I can see pretty easily if they weren't using DScan. That thing would shred a Venture, but the drones? Granted, you could uncloak next to them, but you still need to target them, deploy drones, and issue a command. Did you cap the Venture out? I would have loved to see a video of these kills. Sad panda that the Noctis BPC was destroyed but not the Navitas BPC.
I think some of the pilots were day dreaming or something.
The damage from my drones is pretty high and they wrere capped out.
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Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:19:00 -
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Thanks again for the answers, too.
Yes, I was wondering about the Rupture-kill, too - I would think you should have plenty of time to run from a Rupture when you pay attention. And the Venture fit in the last kill looks a bit more suited for Highsec then Lowsec to me. Well, will make sure to visit Elarel and see if you can catch me, too, Otto :)
Yes, my fit was pretty similar to yours, Mire Stoude - I didn't fitted a Surveyscanner, though, because of the fast cycle times of the Mining Lasers I wouldn't mind if an asteroid depletes. And I had put an extra Warp Core Stabilizer instead of the Mining Upgrade in the Low Slot - maybe a bit too paranoid. ;)
Ok, will try the AB circle thing next time and see if I can avoid the getting killed from the rats that way. Thanks again, all! |
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