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Yriel Eldanesh The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.12.20 06:42:00 - [1] - Quote Hey there EVE, I've been playing off & on for about 2 years now, and pretty much all I've done is tier 1 & 2 mission running. Bought PLEX, and lost it all one ship at a time in low sec. I keep wanting to wait until I get good to join a corp, but it just isn't happening. Everytime I put big money into a ship, I lose it in a few days. I keep feeling like there's a critical part of the game I'm missing/not understanding (like why I can't hit anything in a cruiser), but I've read up on most things twice. Anyways, I'm currently spec'd for hybrid turrets, drones, and stealth bombers. I like PVP, preferably roaming/pirating. Eventually would like to learn bounty hunting, and big battles. Any corp interested in showing me a better way to play?
Besina Echerie Vermona Collective 9	Posted - 2012.12.20 07:13:00 - [2] - Quote Quit buying big ships to fight in. Learn in a t1 frigate instead. If you have awesome drone skills, try a Tristan, if you have awesome hybrid skills try an Incursus or Atron. Buy a few of them, like at least ten or twenty. Fit them up the best you know how with somewhat cheapish stuff. First, go fly around a highsec system and hunt miners and ratters and whatnot. Don't attack them, just try to sneak around and pounce on them and say "boo!" at the screen when you get close to them. Then fly off. Open your star map. Click the "Star Map" tab. Now start looking through all the options there. ooh, you can find out things like "How many pilots were in space in the last half hour or so?" "How many pods have been blown up in the last hour?" (This is a biggie. Mission rats don't do that.) Start scheming about what that all MEANS. Then, fly into lowsec and go hunting around for a bit. You might not find anything to do there right away, but look around and see if anyone sneaks up. You might get in a couple fights there. If that's getting too quiet, try going somewhere like Rancer or Egghelende or Amamake or Old Man's Star and start looking for a fight. Those are a bit busier; they're chokepoints, so they got a lot of traps, and got to where people start fights there because that's where the fights are. After that, you can look for a lowsec jump into Curse or Syndicate and go poking your nose in there. That's NPC nullsec, and there's no sovereignty in those regions. Those are about the most profound hives of villainy that exist. Just your kind of place. This bit is important: Every time someone blows you up, chat them, be friendly, and ask what you did wrong and how you could've done better while you board the next ship. Try to use all the skillz you learned from googling all over the place. Your first couple tries are going to be full of fail and that's OK. That's why you're using the cheap ships. If you can't fly a cheap ship well (and I mean really fly it, not just sit in the capsule making "Vroom vroom!" noises) then the only thing a big ship will give you is embarrasing lossmails. In a lot of ways, a big ship is much more vulnerable, and you will end up getting killed embarrasingly by a couple of teenage newbies in Rifters (because all the cool people used to fly Rifters, because they're reading out of date guides). They'll tackle you, and buzz around you, and you'll flail around in your expensive battleship unable to even scratch them, even worse than the mission rats in your Cruiser, while they slowly peel your armor off and blow you up. By the way, you can't hit worth a damn in a Cruiser in a 1-2 mission because you're shooting at little teeny ships. Your big guns have a big radius, so It's like trying to shoot a fly with a shotgun (you put a bunch of holes in the wall behind the fly, but likely don't hit the fly), and they have slow tracking - which means the turrets can't turn fast enough to keep up with the fly buzzing around your head.
Solai Vrtra Universities 4	Posted - 2012.12.20 07:39:00 - [3] - Quote Don't wait until you're 'good' to join a corp. The Corp is a significant part of what helps you learn to be good.
Besina Echerie Vermona Collective 10	Posted - 2012.12.20 07:43:00 - [4] - Quote By the way, this is something I need to add. By the time you're up to the point of going and picking fights? Your GOAL each time needs to be "I'm going to get this ship BLOWN INTO A MILLIONBILLION LITTLE PIECES! YAAAY! I might even get PODDED! AWESOME!" Don't come home unless it's in a capsule or a clone bay. Fight like a demon to prolong that time, but it's still your goal. You've got a bunch of little ships. If you have any left over in a month, shame on you.
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 2146	Posted - 2012.12.20 08:06:00 - [5] - Quote "Waiting to be good" to join a corp is not a thing. Joining a corp makes you good because you can get far better feedback and advice, plus buddies to roam with, hang out with, and generally have a good time with. Eve is a social multiplayer game; playing it solo tends to result in a sucky experience. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
Aptenodytes Reckless Abandon 43	Posted - 2012.12.20 10:24:00 - [6] - Quote Skill points do not make you good. This is not WOW, where a level 300 character can just walk around hitting everything with his big stick and brushing off all their arrows with his 3 foot thick armour. The only way to get good is to get experience. Flying cheap ships for a start. And joining a newbie friendly corp who can help you.
J'Poll Kings of the Underground Side Effect. 627	Posted - 2012.12.20 10:56:00 - [7] - Quote Aptenodytes wrote: Skill points do not make you good. This is not WOW, where a level 300 character can just walk around hitting everything with his big stick and brushing off all their arrows with his 3 foot thick armour. The only way to get good is to get experience. Flying cheap ships for a start. And joining a newbie friendly corp who can help you. This. SP only make a very minor difference. The big force multiplier is knowledge about the game, your ship, your fit and the enemies ship and fit. Buying a pimped machariel doesn't make you win all battles. Old look Corporation recruitment thread Corporation Website
Ovv Topik Proposition Thirteen The Third Rail 32	Posted - 2012.12.20 11:08:00 - [8] - Quote Besina Echerie wrote: Quit buying big ships to fight in. First, go fly around a highsec system and hunt miners and ratters and whatnot. Don't attack them, just try to sneak around and pounce on them and say "boo!" at the screen when you get close to them. Then fly off. Epic! The other one, is to approach hi sec scanners 100km off the sun and type "Don't you ever look out your window?" in local. You should see them panic. ti'n siarad Cymraeg?
Babar Baboli CTRL-Q Iron Oxide. 15	Posted - 2012.12.20 11:25:00 - [9] - Quote SP doesn't matter THAT much. I blew other people up before I had 9mil SP. And I am really bad att EVE in general and especially PvP. In a decent fitted frigate, you can be of good use to a fleet or small gang.
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 324	Posted - 2012.12.20 12:02:00 - [10] - Quote Tthe game is about WHAT you know and WHO you know. Not your SP count, wallet or faction fetish ships. So if you want to get better then focus on learning more rather than flying more expensively. Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything.

Pinaculus Hole Busters 151	Posted - 2012.12.20 12:02:00 - [11] - Quote More SP just means more expensive clones. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance 208	Posted - 2012.12.20 14:39:00 - [12] - Quote less SP , helps if it's more focused into a smaller area of expertise but the 2 best bits of advice have already been given use cheap frigates & destroyers expect to lose them im merely repeating them to emphasise thier importance
Chal0ner Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy 35	Posted - 2012.12.20 15:19:00 - [13] - Quote Solai wrote: Don't wait until you're 'good' to join a corp. The Corp is a significant part of what helps you learn to be good. +3 so very much this ... You're doing it wrong mate
Chal0ner Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy 35	Posted - 2012.12.20 15:21:00 - [14] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Buying a pimped machariel doesn't make you win all battles. But it could make you the latest lol-mail for all Goons and Testies to laugh at.
RomeStar Astra Research 66	Posted - 2012.12.20 16:10:00 - [15] - Quote Have you tried the industrial side of EVE. Come to the Darkside where everyone hates you. You will play an invaluable part by mining and producing products that those who hate you use. You can also tank fit a mining boat and watch as gankers try to gank you and then you get to laugh at them when concord comes to buttrape them. Signatured removed, CCP Phantom
Lost Greybeard Drunken Yordles 156	Posted - 2012.12.20 19:31:00 - [16] - Quote J'Poll wrote: SP only make a very minor difference. That's not _entirely_ true. Your SP total means less than nothing, but your specific SP allocations can make a big difference. Having the skills to equip T2 modules means that you can afford to replace significantly more powerful ships in PvP more times with less farming, for instance. But yeah, in general just going ahead and joining a corp and admitting you suck is a good way to get actual good advice and practice.
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 56	Posted - 2012.12.20 19:34:00 - [17] - Quote Yriel Eldanesh wrote: Hey there EVE, I've been playing off & on for about 2 years now, I usually just stop reading there. The part 99% of returning players are missing is you actually have to put some effort and brainpower into this game. We can't tell you what things you can do, which ship is good, what corp is suited to you, etc.. Go out there and do stuff, talk to people, yuk it up in local and make people mad at you, scam someone, awox an orca fleet and invite a pirate corp to help scoop the loot, loose CHEAP ships, kill expensive ships, gank people scanning in the new special edition frigates, and most importantly LEARN FROM MISTAKES.
Joran Jackson The Red Circle Inc. 37	Posted - 2012.12.21 01:53:00 - [18] - Quote You need AT LEAST 25m SP to play worth a damn. Just give it another 9 months.
Fractal Muse Dead's Prostitutes Test Friends Please Ignore 88	Posted - 2012.12.21 02:15:00 - [19] - Quote Joran Jackson wrote: You need AT LEAST 25m SP to play worth a damn. Just give it another 9 months. That's not true. You just need to take some time and review documentation, learn all the different ships, maybe watch some pvp videos. OR you can be like me: My main has ~65 million skill points and I still can't play worth a damn. So... yeah, skill points, they don't mean much of anything. It's the player and the experiences a player has. The skill points only provide a framework in terms of what platforms a player can operate in. They do -not- denote any type of ability to play the game or an ability to play the game well. I have seen lots of people with a LOT of skill points die. Heck, I've watch SUPER CAPITAL SHIPS go down 'cause the player didn't know how to fly them. Skill points are a very small part of the equation. A 1 day old character can beat a 5 year old character if they know about things like traversal velocity, optimal range, falloff, etc etc.
Brandon Syne Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.12.21 03:29:00 - [20] - Quote Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote: Go out there and do stuff, talk to people, yuk it up in local and make people mad at you, scam someone, awox an orca fleet and invite a pirate corp to help scoop the loot, loose CHEAP ships, kill expensive ships, gank people scanning in the new special edition frigates, and most importantly LEARN FROM MISTAKES. Burn your main like a boss.

Ferahgo Ghost Headquarters The Ghost Army 7	Posted - 2012.12.21 03:40:00 - [21] - Quote I smell an alt/troll. Why constantly wait to get good to join a corporation than ask at the end to get in one now? Also who continues to buy plexs and put it in one ship?
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 4613	Posted - 2012.12.21 04:40:00 - [22] - Quote Ferahgo wrote: I smell an alt/troll. Why constantly wait to get good to join a corporation than ask at the end to get in one now? Also who continues to buy plexs and put it in one ship? Do not make fun of my officer fit vigil "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 326	Posted - 2012.12.21 06:40:00 - [23] - Quote Trust me, many people do. just today some guy in help channel asked for help with his Navy domi 0.0 ratting fit. I couldn't talk him out of the faction turrets, tank or ship itself. Explained to him that he'd probably lose it before the weekend and his reply was "I don't care, I just want to have owned it once". Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything.
J'Poll Kings of the Underground Side Effect. 631	Posted - 2012.12.21 10:16:00 - [24] - Quote Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: Ferahgo wrote: I smell an alt/troll. Why constantly wait to get good to join a corporation than ask at the end to get in one now? Also who continues to buy plexs and put it in one ship? Do not make fun of my officer fit vigil My officer fitted Falcon is better cause it will be primairy. Which means I can buy MOAR officer mods... Old look Corporation recruitment thread Corporation Website
J'Poll Kings of the Underground Side Effect. 631	Posted - 2012.12.21 10:17:00 - [25] - Quote Vilnius Zar wrote: Trust me, many people do. just today some guy in help channel asked for help with his Navy domi 0.0 ratting fit. I couldn't talk him out of the faction turrets, tank or ship itself. Explained to him that he'd probably lose it before the weekend and his reply was "I don't care, I just want to have owned it once". Well the faction tank I can relate too, they are sometimes that little bit extra you need. The guns and ship itself. Damn. Old look Corporation recruitment thread Corporation Website
Xtreem Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore 21	Posted - 2012.12.21 12:14:00 - [26] - Quote Just to echo others, SP does not make you good at eve, it just helps give you an edge, you are prob looking at the wrong things to take you forward and going for bigger = better etc. Don't rush, go at your own pace, join a corp with 9mil sp sure alot would bring you in, its the people and interaction that make this game good :-)
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 56	Posted - 2012.12.21 14:15:00 - [27] - Quote Ferahgo wrote: I smell an alt/troll. Why constantly wait to get good to join a corporation than ask at the end to get in one now? Also who continues to buy plexs and put it in one ship? You'd be very surprised. I ran into a guy that erected a factory pos in low sec and faction fit his bestowers but had no clue that he had the option to redock at stations before he got killed in them. When asked why he was suiciding so many things he said he was rich and could afford enough plex to play any way he likes. He was also in the top 10 bounty list on day one like he was some kind of dangerous pirate. I'm not sure if giving his name out is against the rules but it's Weedplzanonomous or something like that....terrible player...actually that gives a bad name to terrible players...he also thinks he is an anon hacker, a body builder and mma fighter, married to a super model and prince of some country (I forget which one...).
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 71	Posted - 2012.12.21 15:46:00 - [28] - Quote Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote: You'd be very surprised. I ran into a guy that erected a factory pos in low sec and faction fit his bestowers but had no clue that he had the option to redock at stations before he got killed in them. When asked why he was suiciding so many things he said he was rich and could afford enough plex to play any way he likes. He was also in the top 10 bounty list on day one like he was some kind of dangerous pirate. I'm not sure if giving his name out is against the rules but it's Weedplzanonomous or something like that....terrible player...actually that gives a bad name to terrible players...he also thinks he is an anon hacker, a body builder and mma fighter, married to a super model and prince of some country (I forget which one...). I really hope you made this up.
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 56	Posted - 2012.12.21 16:45:00 - [29] - Quote Barrogh Habalu wrote: Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote: You'd be very surprised. I ran into a guy that erected a factory pos in low sec and faction fit his bestowers but had no clue that he had the option to redock at stations before he got killed in them. When asked why he was suiciding so many things he said he was rich and could afford enough plex to play any way he likes. He was also in the top 10 bounty list on day one like he was some kind of dangerous pirate. I'm not sure if giving his name out is against the rules but it's Weedplzanonomous or something like that....terrible player...actually that gives a bad name to terrible players...he also thinks he is an anon hacker, a body builder and mma fighter, married to a super model and prince of some country (I forget which one...). I really hope you made this up. 100% real, I wouldn't chit my favorite turds...look him up according to his bio he is also now with the I.R.A.
Velarra Ghost Festival Naraka. 141	Posted - 2012.12.21 21:23:00 - [30] - Quote http://massively.joystiq.com/2010/11/14/new-eve-quarterly-economic-newsletter-discusses-pvp/ http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=822 The above links lead to some really amusing reading to say the very least. I would of course note that ultimately time invested results in unavoidable, valuable player knowledge & experience. At least if the player studies & puts into practice various things learned through genuine experience. SP can -never- solve the player related education challenges. On the other hand It is somewhat regrettable that time & SP grant options for a 'main' character, and potential that is impossible without time & SP. If there is any way out of that situation, one can learn to build a very tightly skilled/crafted alt / character. Skill it solidly with an eye to very specific roles & activities. With a -very low quantity of SP-, you can get away with ~alot~. You can choose to never train that alt beyond a certain point. As it does only and precisely what you want it to do.



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