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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.20 10:46:00 -
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I just watched the whole series again start to finish.
I have to say... It really is the best sci-fi show you will ever watch. Best show period really.
Hopefully someday, Eve.
...but seriously. If you haven't watched it mini-series through Razor and on to the finally, you are only screwing yourself. It's an amazing opera. Watch it if you can. Torrent it if you are in a free country. You won't regret it.
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pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
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Posted - 2012.12.20 10:50:00 -
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i loved the first 3 seasons i gave up on the 2nd episode of the 4 th season because i couldn't stand the over religious theme it was heading maybe i did miss something maybe i didn't I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.20 10:53:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:i loved the first 3 seasons i gave up on the 2nd episode of the 4 th season because i couldn't stand the over religious theme it was heading maybe i did miss something maybe i didn't You totally missed something. I had to fight back tears when Baltar was talking about cultivation. If you can fight through it you can watch humanity hit rock bottom. It's brutal and beautiful. All that religious crap didn't mean a god-damn thing in the end.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2012.12.20 11:45:00 -
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Except that we know the whole final season (especially the second half) was a major seat-of-your-pants asspull by the producers and writers. It's only "magical" if you "will it" to be so, while also ignoring anything of what is common knowledge regarding what actually happened in real life with the show. As far as I am concerned, they totally failed to deliver on any serious expectations, and the finale was somewhat of a letdown (or, if you prefer, cop-out) in artistic terms.
That being said, the first three seasons were quite good. Not the best they could be, but good enough to warrant attention from me. Anyway, the point is, I disagree with the "best sci-fi show you will ever watch" label. MAYBE somewhere near the middle of the top 10, if we're being generous.
Babylon 5, Firefly, various Star Treks (my personal fav being ST-DS9), The Outer Limits,Stargate SG-1 (not so much the others), or say, Farscape, even less "pure sci-fi" ones like Eureka, Fringe and Doctor Who are better contenders for the top few spots IMO.
Don't get me wrong, it's a "must watch" show for Sci-Fi fans, but not the first name on my lips if I had to make a list. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T T2 BPO poll: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114789 Buying this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=147098 |
Elias Greyhand
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Posted - 2012.12.20 14:10:00 -
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[quote=Akita T]Don't get me wrong, it's a "must watch" show for Sci-Fi fans...quote]
Really?
I'm a major sci-fi fan but it's never really interested me and I've never watched an episode. "That which is done cannot be undone. But it can be avenged." |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2012.12.20 14:34:00 -
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Elias Greyhand wrote:Akita T wrote:Don't get me wrong, it's a "must watch" show for Sci-Fi fans... Really? I'm a major sci-fi fan but it's never really interested me and I've never watched an episode.
Fixed yer quote.
If you've never watched an episode, how do you know its not interesting? I kind of pulled the same act with many shows as well until I got into them, BSG and Breaking Bad being 2 of those shows. When I got to BSG I was averaging 2 episodes a night and with breaking bad I went through the 4 seasons on netflix in a week.
The combat in BSG is simply spectacular, but I agree that the religious overtone was becoming a bit much towards the later half, and it's even worse in Caprica. I always like to go back to the last episode where Galactica makes it's final jump because I think the cinematic was pretty good right at that part.
I wonder how Blood and chrome will turn out. |
Wilhelm Riley
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:12:00 -
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Akita T wrote:What Akita said. Can I assume that's also your response to the end of Lost?
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Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:21:00 -
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The space battles are great. The story, if you take of your rose-tinted glasses, could be better, a lot better in places.
Overall it is pretty good but no contender when compared to shows like Firefly or the better ST shows.
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Graygor
1kB Realty 1kB Galactic
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:27:00 -
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Am I the only person who quite liked the original for its campyness? Post with your brainGäó
"Don't be humble... you're not that great." Golda Meir. |
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:38:00 -
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Graygor wrote:Am I the only person who quite liked the original for its campyness?
Original Starbuck best Starbuck. She's nice and all but Faceman got da charm. |
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Elias Greyhand
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Posted - 2012.12.20 18:01:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Elias Greyhand wrote:Akita T wrote:Don't get me wrong, it's a "must watch" show for Sci-Fi fans... Really? I'm a major sci-fi fan but it's never really interested me and I've never watched an episode. Fixed yer quote. If you've never watched an episode, how do you know its not interesting?
I rely on trailers to entice me, something they never did.
Possibly my big problem is that I see it as another "the trials and tribulations of a threatened Humanity" thing. I get that a racial apocolypse is a very useful plot vehicle but it gets a bit samey.
It's one of the reasons I loved Firefly; it wasn't about the end of the world, it was the joys and sorrows of a small section of Humanity. "That which is done cannot be undone. But it can be avenged." |
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.20 22:46:00 -
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I always hate when a good science fiction show, like BSG, mixes magic into the storyline. Don't get me wrong, I love fantasy, but in science fiction I expect concrete rationale for what's presented. When they start slinging miracles left and right as mere plot solutions (poof... Starbuck's alive again... no explanation... nope, not a Cylon), it diminishes the construct of the fiction.
It's why I loathed the crossover of Warehouse 13 (crappy fantasy *) with Eureka (science fiction in season 1, then completely ruined by the "SyFy" channel).
Can you imagine Mr. Plinkett's review of BSG? Didn't the Cylons have a plan? If the final 5 are the original 5, why have they been called final all this time? Also, couldn't the Cylons just peak into the body tanks to see who the final 5 are? The resurrection ship has to stock them in order for the consciousness transfer to work. And magic lets a Cylon have a baby with a human? What?
I don't know the back story, but the fiction turned into a colossal mess. I can almost hear the conversations: "Yeah, turn up the religious stuff to 11, that'll increase drama." "I know, we'll turn this whole show into a prequel of the original, that's it!"
You might as well chuck the fleet into the Sun, you already did that to suspension of disbelief a long time ago.
* The conceit of Warehouse 13 is that every amazing accomplishment in human history was achieved because those famous for the accomplishment had some kind of magic artifact. I hate that premise. If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2012.12.21 01:12:00 -
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Ila Dace wrote:The conceit of Warehouse 13 is that every amazing accomplishment in human history was achieved because those famous for the accomplishment had some kind of magic artifact. I hate that premise. Actually, it's sort of the other way around, but they only built on that much later on in the series. Supposedly the artifacts are created by some sort of spectacular or extraordinary feat, or some catastrophe, or a singular willpower of a person, and their power references, mimics or emulates the said event and/or person's "essence", or much more rarely, the exact opposite or foil of it. So it's not that these people in history succeeded because of the artifacts they might have had, it's that the artifacts came into being because of the feats of extraordinary people (or extraordinary feats of regular people). http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T T2 BPO poll: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114789 Buying this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=147098 |
Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2012.12.21 02:44:00 -
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Akita T wrote:.......various Star Treks (my personal fav being ST-DS9)
My God, someone else finally agrees with me on that !
-á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
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Posted - 2012.12.21 02:45:00 -
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Elias Greyhand wrote:[quote=Akita T]Don't get me wrong, it's a "must watch" show for Sci-Fi fans...quote]
Really?
I'm a major sci-fi fan but it's never really interested me and I've never watched an episode.
Then you are doing it wrong.
Although your comment is idiotic and shows contempt prior to even investigation of said subject. I'm just sayin'. -á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
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Posted - 2012.12.21 02:48:00 -
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Elias Greyhand wrote: It's one of the reasons I loved Firefly; it wasn't about the end of the world, it was the joys and sorrows of a small section of Humanity.
Erm. Sounds just like Battlestar to me.......................... -á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
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Posted - 2012.12.21 11:29:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Akita T wrote:.......various Star Treks (my personal fav being ST-DS9) My God, someone else finally agrees with me on that !
hey akita isn't the only who likes DS9 it was one of the best Star Trek series ever didn't miss one episode I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Xtreem
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.12.21 12:16:00 -
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DS9 was good because the captain had some balls, always used to annoy me, picard would get shot at by 3 Klingon birds of pray or something, and then be "fire phasers" WHAT? NO!! FIRE AT WILL DAMMIT! Sisco did that, and was a badass!
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
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Posted - 2012.12.21 13:21:00 -
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Some of the story ideas were pretty brave, and it was not afraid of 'cinematography'.
I remember a scene with Jake and Kira that was their silhouettes talking in a dark room in front of a small window showing only a few stars for lighting. Networks don't like what appears to be a black screen. They gave David Lynch a hard time with that in a few scenes in "Twin Peaks". -á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
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Posted - 2012.12.21 13:21:00 -
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Xtreem wrote:DS9 was good because the captain had some balls, always used to annoy me, picard would get shot at by 3 Klingon birds of pray or something, and then be "fire phasers" WHAT? NO!! FIRE AT WILL DAMMIT! Sisco did that, and was a badass!
Hell Sisco took control and fired the phasers himself a few times if I recall. Then for gratitude they contracted probably the most badass little federation warship to the station. |
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2012.12.23 07:44:00 -
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Contrary to some of its naysayer's opinions, DS9 was actually good because it happened mostly on a station (at least earlier on). They had to focus on character-driven plots at least half of the time, since you couldn't just constantly meet up some fancy-schmancy dangerous space anomaly or ancient powerful doodad or whatever else every other episode. All in all, DS9 had the most fleshed out characters, with the most detailed backstory, and the most elaborate story arcs of all ST shows combined... which was, IMO, a pretty darn good thing. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T T2 BPO poll: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114789 Buying this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=147098 |
Riall
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.23 08:11:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Contrary to some of its naysayer's opinions, DS9 was actually good because it happened mostly on a station (at least earlier on). They had to focus on character-driven plots at least half of the time, since you couldn't just constantly meet up some fancy-schmancy dangerous space anomaly or ancient powerful doodad or whatever else every other episode. All in all, DS9 had the most fleshed out characters, with the most detailed backstory, and the most elaborate story arcs of all ST shows combined... which was, IMO, a pretty darn good thing. Don't forget that they were also contemporary with Babylon 5, and a few years in B5 actually started to have an impact on DS9 in terms of how they told stories.
"Buy PLEX, don't be a space butt"
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.23 09:37:00 -
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I liked DS9...
But it pales next to BSG. Never has a better story been told
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Ion Crux
NERV Reborn The Predictables
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Posted - 2012.12.23 10:41:00 -
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Best show ever! Watched it twice enjoyed ever second! Love some Starbuck! |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
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Posted - 2012.12.23 12:54:00 -
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Yes. Even though I was unable to see most of the final 2 seasons of BSG, it did shoot to the top of my list of probably the best SF series outside of the Star Trek franchise. They both have different sensibilities and presentation modes, so it would be useless to call one better than the other. I just consider them in the same rarified cloud of 'bests'.
And for once the mainstream critics were agog, the more intelligent ones even calling it the best series ever. It was amazing how much I read that was along those lines.
That reaction hasn't even been closely achieved until "Game of Thrones" came along (which I appreciate all the more having originally read Martin's Sci-Fi stories starting in the late 70's - "Sandkings" in Omni magazine and all that), but I'm not about to start a threadnaught about that show, so I'll just stop right here.......... -á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
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Posted - 2013.01.31 05:39:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Except that we know the whole final season (especially the second half) was a major seat-of-your-pants asspull by the producers and writers. It's only "magical" if you "will it" to be so, while also ignoring anything of what is common knowledge regarding what actually happened in real life with the show. As far as I am concerned, they totally failed to deliver on any serious expectations, and the finale was somewhat of a letdown (or, if you prefer, cop-out) in artistic terms.
That being said, the first three seasons were quite good. Not the best they could be, but good enough to warrant attention from me. Anyway, the point is, I disagree with the "best sci-fi show you will ever watch" label. MAYBE somewhere near the middle of the top 10, if we're being generous.
Babylon 5, Firefly, various Star Treks (my personal fav being ST-DS9), The Outer Limits,Stargate SG-1 (not so much the others), or say, Farscape, even less "pure sci-fi" ones like Eureka, Fringe and Doctor Who are better contenders for the top few spots IMO.
Don't get me wrong, it's a "must watch" show for Sci-Fi fans, but not the first name on my lips if I had to make a list.
I love BSG. But I think there have been better done sci fi shows. I will say this. When BSG was at the top of it's game, there hasnt been a more relevent sci fi series on TV before or since. Hell, at it's best, it was one of the best shows on TV, period.
But it was too inconsistent and had some bad filler episodes and the "Lets give up all technology and live like cavemen" ending was really a What the Frak! moment if there ever was one. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
Juno Valerii
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.31 11:46:00 -
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I'm a huge BSg fan...both the original and the remake (BSG 1980 does not exist). I have to say if it's not the best sci-fi show of the last 15 years it is damn close. Firefly and B5 are up there as well. They all have flaws mind you but acceptable ones IMO. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
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Posted - 2013.01.31 13:06:00 -
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Wow, talk about Necro-Thread !
I never even Unsubscribed from it as it had just vanished utterly for a month. America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence (and back to barbarism - KI) without civilization in between. - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2013.01.31 18:42:00 -
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Interesting comments so far, oddly enough, the religious aspect was something I was expecting since day one and actually felt overjoyed at how the series turned up.
I am a hardcore fan of New BSG, having bought in a materialistic urge several of its based games, shirts and odds and ends.
DS9 was a letdown for me, but I , unlike a lot of people around, enjoyed greatly TNG.
Firefly was good, Babylon 5 was unparalleled in history, background and that strange sense of alien cultures, but for me Babylon 5 is like the standard to measure Sci-Fi in terms of depth.
Farscape was still for me, a strange taste in the mouth, being more of a Andromeda fan (snicker).
Back to BSG what I really enjoyed out of it was the drama. And the first time I saw it, I saw the whole 4 seasons in like a week of 9am to midnight marathons straight. So hooked I was on it, only series that grabbed me like that.
I enjoy the human aspect of series, thats why I enjoyed the feeling of imminent doom in the MILLENIUM tv series, with the best chapter being "Somehow Satan got behind me" . To this day no other series has burned a chapter so deep in my mind as this one. It even derails a bit from the show premise of Frank Black to show something else happening in the world indirectly related to him. Those 4 demons talking about how to ruin humanity into sin was just ... flawless.
BSG, specially the Pianist scene, the Blind Lawyer-¦s cat, Starbuck-¦s angst against the uncaring universe, and woa, so much more. I really enjoy that, pew pew and psychotic religious robots are just a bonus.
But then again, thats the good thing and the bad thing about tastes and personal preferences. We all can relate somehow to a thing, be it a tv series, or a book, or practically anything else despite everything else we don-¦t share in common with each other.
Love the comments here, specially those that explain viewpoints. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2013.01.31 18:48:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:
But it was too inconsistent and had some bad filler episodes and the "Lets give up all technology and live like cavemen" ending was really a What the Frak! moment if there ever was one.
It was more something about cycles, the endless cycles of creation/destruction than anything else, either by choice or not. And well, you do know BSG has a healthy dosage of Mormonism dont you? The New series tried to veer a bit away from it, but maintaned a good chunk.
Same as Middle Earth is heavily influenced by Christianism, a fact disclosed several times by the author himself publicly.
The religious overtones are well, just that. You can still see them as matter of fact tv shows, but lose some of the intended meaning. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
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