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Taya Savah
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.24 23:46:00 -
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Heya,
so like the title says, I like doing everything in EVE. Well not everything but a lot of things, I like to kind of cycle many of my activities around, I havent done PvP yet since I'm fresher than fresh noob, but I've done all the tutorials and I like most of it. I've done some mining, I like it when I dont feel like paying attention much, leaving me auto-mining (hi-sec) and using a lot of autopilot while hauling.
I also like missions and exploration. You can already see a problem here, I want to do everything equally, but a lot of people in these boards says "NO! >:O SPECIALIZE!" but I dont want to.
So what are the actual downsides of doing a lot of different things in one character since I am NOT going to open multiple accounts. I understand that it will be slow to train lots of different professions since I need to switch focus, like really slow, depending a bit on what I want to do and how much. But is there any real dowsides besides the time spent training? I really dont care about "not getting there fast enough" since I am not in a hurry to anywhere. I actually started playing EVE with the mindset that I am not going anywhere, but rather simply living in EVE and doing my thing.
I dont have to be the best in X in ANY given activity or deadline. I'm just playing and having fun. So, is there any game mechanical downside for me if I just want to do a bit of everything? I tried googling it but found only the "NO YOU MUST DEDICATE INTO ONE ROLE OR BUY MOAR ACCOUNTS! >:O" so I came to conclusion that the only downside is the eventually expensive clone after years of training (besides time)? :) |
Maire Gheren
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.24 23:56:00 -
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It means you won't be able to do very well on anything, and you'll be bad for a very long time as it literally takes decades to learn everything. Get good at something, then get good at something else, and so on. |
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ISD Cyberdyne
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.12.25 00:01:00 -
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Honestly, if your goal is to simply have fun with no agenda, then you're doing great! You can specialize in areas if you'd like, and if you decide to go that route, there are plenty of avenues you can take whether asking corp/alliancemates, forums, or certificates.
Your call on how you want to play and it is great that you are enjoying the sandbox! ISD Cyberdyne Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.12.25 01:05:00 -
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Nothing wrong with it, you can become decent at most things quite fast. Becoming an expert takes ages tough. Check my sig for a list of skills that are good to have whatever you plan to do.
EDIT : Seems my sig was erased. Here is the guide. |
Ovv Topik
Proposition Thirteen The Third Rail
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Posted - 2012.12.25 01:17:00 -
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Maire Gheren wrote:It means you won't be able to do very well on anything, and you'll be bad for a very long time as it literally takes decades to learn everything. Get good at something, then get good at something else, and so on.
Yea. No. Traing to L4 takes about 20% of the time. L5 takes about 80%.
But Don't rush ahead to the big ships. Bigger isnt always better. Wait til you have all the skills to fly a ship well, (Look at the certs for it), then move on. ti'n siarad Cymraeg? |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
239
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Posted - 2012.12.25 01:30:00 -
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training 'everything' takes 23 or so years ... scale your goals back a little, and they will be achievable sooner
yes you can do 'all the things' in eve you just need to enough time to train the required skills |
Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
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Posted - 2012.12.25 01:33:00 -
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Ovv Topik wrote:Maire Gheren wrote:It means you won't be able to do very well on anything, and you'll be bad for a very long time as it literally takes decades to learn everything. Get good at something, then get good at something else, and so on. Yea. No. Traing to L4 takes about 20% of the time. L5 takes about 80%. But Don't rush ahead to the big ships. Bigger isnt always better. Wait til you have all the skills to fly a ship well, (Look at the certs for it), then move on. I highly recommend using certificates as a guideline when training for something. While some are pointless and do not play to the strengths of a ship, most are relevant. More importantly, train the skills for the Core Competency Standard certificate. It will help across everything you do in EVE |
Taya Savah
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.25 03:02:00 -
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Thank you, this is what I wanted to hear. I was afraid I would bump into some gamemechanical "artificial" barrier doing a bit of everything, but it seems I wont. I really dont care for being extra awesome at some certain role, so I should be doing fine going slowly at many roles. Thank you all for the replies, oh and merry christmas :) |
Taya Savah
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.25 03:07:00 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:Ovv Topik wrote:Maire Gheren wrote:It means you won't be able to do very well on anything, and you'll be bad for a very long time as it literally takes decades to learn everything. Get good at something, then get good at something else, and so on. Yea. No. Traing to L4 takes about 20% of the time. L5 takes about 80%. But Don't rush ahead to the big ships. Bigger isnt always better. Wait til you have all the skills to fly a ship well, (Look at the certs for it), then move on. I highly recommend using certificates as a guideline when training for something. While some are pointless and do not play to the strengths of a ship, most are relevant. More importantly, train the skills for the Core Competency Standard certificate. It will help across everything you do in EVE
Yeah I tried to look at the certificates a bit but... It's very hard when you just want to do a lot of things in the beginning, I will start looking at the certificates a bit more some time in, thank you for the advice :) |
Taya Savah
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.25 03:09:00 -
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Louis deGuerre wrote:Nothing wrong with it, you can become decent at most things quite fast. Becoming an expert takes ages tough. Check my sig for a list of skills that are good to have whatever you plan to do. EDIT : Seems my sig was erased. Here is the guide.
Oh yes, I have looked into a lot of what you have to say sir. Very good guides for nubs and a handsome portrait too, not much to complaint. |
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4841
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Posted - 2012.12.25 03:25:00 -
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It'll only take about 25 years to train every skill to lvl 5 so the sooner you start.... "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Bohoba
Blue Ice Melts
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Posted - 2012.12.25 03:59:00 -
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train it all as you go till you find your nitch then focus on it and get it done and move it around :)
a well rounded player in eve is sought after more than someone that SP in 1 thing
and first in formost do it the way you have the most fun
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Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
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Posted - 2012.12.25 10:00:00 -
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you can always buy a new char later if you scramble a few bilions of isk,so if you find out in a year you want focused pvp pilot you will be able to buy a year of SP worth pilot
in the meantime,enjoy whatever are you doing |
Othran
Route One
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Posted - 2012.12.25 10:38:00 -
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The downside of trying to do "everything" on one character is that you'll train the skills a lot slower. You won't have enough attribute remaps to minimise training time, simple as that.
There's another downside in terms of clone costs if you PvP but you're years away from that problem
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Dasola
Rookie Empire Citizens Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.25 10:47:00 -
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Hey there, heres someone that started also as jack of trades in this game..
At first i was just lost... i wanted to try everything that was available.
Eventually is settled for mining as profession to fallinto if everything else goes sour. Soim nearly maxed hulk pilot.I didi a lot of mining while i was skilling up to racial battleship, tech2 modules and guns for it, etc... So I become mission runner.Then WH was introduced and my explorer blood warmed up, i trained some probeing skills to decent level... Etc...
If your having fun allready, keep doing it. When you find something you want to become really really good at, then you can specialise on that.
Im still toodau sort of jackof trades, i can fly every tech 1 ship upto battleships on every race, use their raceil weapons...Most advanced skills i have are racial one, minmatar. I have upto carrier flight ability on those. [Insert something funny or smart here]
Good lord has set me on path, sometimes im confused about what he wants from me. But path leads on, towards why he placed me on this wonderfull planet... |
Ovv Topik
Proposition Thirteen The Third Rail
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Posted - 2012.12.25 11:42:00 -
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The other advantage to your broad approach is that you will end up with less useless skills.
You have longer to try all EVE has to offer and figure out what suits you best before you commit to the needed L5 skills needed to specialize.
Do it too soon and you could end up wasting months of training you move on from and never use again.
Case in point : Mining!
ti'n siarad Cymraeg? |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1218
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Posted - 2012.12.25 14:48:00 -
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Taya Savah wrote:So what are the actual downsides of doing a lot of different things in one character since I am NOT going to open multiple accounts. Sounds like me. Basically, I do whatever I want to do, which is a little bit of everything. The only disadvantage is it takes me longer to reach the same levels as those that specialize... but I really don't care about that. It is all about having fun after all. |
Lisabet Ikkala
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.12.25 15:15:00 -
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If you don't plan on doing blueprint copying/researching you'll save an extreme amount of time on your character.
I actually suggest being able to pilot a mining barge and reprocess/refine things on your combat characters. Ammo isn't cheap y'know!
Plus you can mass manufacture your combat drones. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1039
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Posted - 2012.12.26 02:58:00 -
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As others already pointed out, "training every skill to max level" isn't really a feasible idea. However, if you are talking about trying all the possible activities, career paths in EVE - by all means go for it. In my three years of playing I got involved or at least briefly touched almost all the different areas, and I can definitely say that you don't know what you'll really like until you try it yourself.
However keep in mind that your actions have consequences, some more permanent than others. This might mean that some actions exclude you from doing others, or at least affect your ability to do them well. As an example, it would be close to impossible to be a pirate in lowsec and run NPC missions in highsec at the same time. The former wrecks your character's security status, which means you will be shot on sight by CONCORD while doing the latter.
As far as specialization goes, I suggest getting good at one thing, and only then moving on to something else. In many areas you don't really get the full experience with just minimal skills and no practice. From there, you can either specialize further to become great at that activity, or move on to something else. Both are valid choices.
A final thought of my own, don't focus solely on profit as a measure of your success. Many of the available choices in EVE aren't about making money at all, or profit is only secondary. In fact, if you want to enjoy some careers, you will have to spend ISK that you are expected to gain elsewhere. |
Lux0r
MCG13
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Posted - 2012.12.28 21:43:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:However keep in mind that your actions have consequences, some more permanent than others. This might mean that some actions exclude you from doing others, or at least affect your ability to do them well. As an example, it would be close to impossible to be a pirate in lowsec and run NPC missions in highsec at the same time. The former wrecks your character's security status, which means you will be shot on sight by CONCORD while doing the latter.
Not entirely. If you train the Fast Talk skill to 4 and take a bit of time to do some ratting in low sec/null sec, you will be surprised how quickly your sec status will climb back up to allow you to traverse both low and hi sec. Having done this in the past it's totally feasible. Doing it in a day no, but if you wanted to take a week to do some piratey pew pew and then a couple of days of ratting you should be good to go in hi sec again.
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Jemar Tzitzimitl
Galactic Imperium Galactic Industrial Coalition
1
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Posted - 2012.12.29 10:52:00 -
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I would probably go with a train as you go plan. meaning if a particular week you feel like being a miner lvl those skills. If next week you feel like being a trade, then lvl those related skills. This way you can enjoy yourself more with better skills if you decide to stay on that focus/profession longer than expected. Also like other have said core competency is a great start. |
Senshi Hawk
Occupational Hazzard Get Off My Lawn
76
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Posted - 2012.12.29 14:41:00 -
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Maire Gheren wrote:It means you won't be able to do very well on anything, and you'll be bad for a very long time as it literally takes decades to learn everything. Get good at something, then get good at something else, and so on.
That is a load of crap. My old CEO told me the same thing when i was a newbie and he was wrong. The only delay or downfall that I have encountered being a jack of all trades character is the ability to fly a capital ship within a reasonable time frame. Nothing else. And that to me is a fair trade for the other diversified roles a toon like this acquires along the way. |
Fractal Muse
Dead's Prostitutes Test Friends Please Ignore
146
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Posted - 2012.12.29 15:03:00 -
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To chime in here for other new players: Don't get hung up about having "perfect" skills or listen to anyone who says you need to specialize immediately or else you won't be good.
The way the skill system works in EVE means that having a skill at level 3 is "okay", having a skill at level 4 is "good", and having a skill at level 5 is "awesome." So while you will want to, eventually, bring skills to level 5 the time it takes to train level 5 skills is huge. That means you can get good at a lot and try out a lot before deciding if there is even value to you to bring a skill to 5.
Sometimes it is better to have more skills at level 4 than a few skills at level 5 - it gives you more options and you can try out a lot more stuff.
So, all that to say to the OP: Go for it. EVE is a game so have fun. |
Gilion Braveheart
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.12.29 19:07:00 -
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as a newbie myself I dont have much advise to give but since I also want to go down this path of: not being very good at one thing but being good enough at everything, I though I could tell you a few things that other people have already told me.
As was stated by many people this role will take much longer to get you places but if you like diversity it could be a lot of fun. One thing you should do is pick a profession (im going to start mining soon) and train that up just as a start so you can have something to do and a source of income while you train your other skills. Mining is a good start as everyone needs ore and if you can multitask then you can mine and watch some tutorials online. Just make sure you keep your game volume up so if someone tries to lock on to you, then you will know you should do something about it.
Also, im not entirely sure about this but I have a feeling that this role could make buying clones very expensive since we are going to be training so many skills.
Joining a player Corp might also be helpful if you find the right one.
Anyway, best of luck to you, and hopefully ill see you out there doing good work so I know that im an idiot for following this style too :P |
Taya Savah
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.12.30 02:12:00 -
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I havent had much time to spend on EVE with all these end of the worlds, holidays, and adding +1 to year, but I sure have had time to fill up my skill queue every day! I'm loving my salvage drones too, after I've missile'd a site of puny mission pirates.
I was kinda looking forward to take up some mining skills to fly a bigger miner but I noticed it's the one ship type where you need a couple of lvl5 skills before you can even fly the "next" dedicated mining ship?
Other than that I've been quite happy with my doing a bit of everything plan for now, but I think I'll skip mining for a while, at least with bigger ships. With Venture it's a bit too low on profits, doing level 1 and 2 missions gives more credits currently with salvaging involved, compared to filling up Venture with hi-sec minerals. Though it's easier to mine while watching telly or chatting with friends so it has it's purposes :) |
Senshi Hawk
Occupational Hazzard Get Off My Lawn
81
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Posted - 2012.12.30 11:40:00 -
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Taya Savah wrote:I was kinda looking forward to take up some mining skills to fly a bigger miner but I noticed it's the one ship type where you need a couple of lvl5 skills before you can even fly the "next" dedicated mining ship?
Other than that I've been quite happy with my doing a bit of everything plan for now, but I think I'll skip mining for a while, at least with bigger ships. With Venture it's a bit too low on profits
You hit the nail on the head there. Mining profits are not big enough to justify training heavily into it (and by heavily I mean level 5s)
Mining 4, Mining Upgrades 4 and a Covetor (Tech 1 mining barge) = 40mil in expenses, modest training vs Mining 5, Mining Upgrades 5 and a Hulk (Tech 2 exhumer) = 300mil in expenses, additional 27 days training
It's just not worth it unless you're a specialized mining toon, or have a crapload of skill points already. |
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