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Diamond Bull
State War Academy Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.12.26 01:49:00 -
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I will unsub if people are mean to me. Because, I dunno, CCP needs to nerf mean people! |
Merouk Baas
153
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Posted - 2012.12.26 01:57:00 -
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Quote:People will unsubscribe if CCP does x
Well they better not be doing x or any other drugs, cause drugs cause bad expansions, and yes people will unsubscribe over bad expansions. |
Zaknussem
Everybody Loves Donuts
13
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Posted - 2012.12.26 02:01:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Is the absolute worst argument ever. Can you please stop using it? You don't have anybody fooled.
I'm curious. Why is it the worst argument ever? Explain.
Oh wait, you've had 2 pages of forum posts and replies to try to explain yourself, and failed so far. Meanwhile, examples that counter your words (and prove that the argument is valid) have been brought forward.
People have unsubscribed in the past, they are unsubscribing because of Retribution and there WILL be people unsubscribing whenever something changes in EvE that doesn't suit them.
Show me an MMO where this ISN'T the case. |
Alara IonStorm
3944
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Posted - 2012.12.26 02:03:00 -
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Jullian Valdexron wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Is the absolute worst argument ever. Can you please stop using it? You don't have anybody fooled. I will unsub if CCP does not add hats to eve. What if they add hair growth cream instead? |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1615
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Posted - 2012.12.26 02:13:00 -
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Zaknussem wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Is the absolute worst argument ever. Can you please stop using it? You don't have anybody fooled. I'm curious. Why is it the worst argument ever? Explain. Because for the vast majority of times it's used, it's wrong. That's why. -áObjects in mirror aren't as red as they appear. |
Karrl Tian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2012.12.26 02:38:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Zaknussem wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Is the absolute worst argument ever. Can you please stop using it? You don't have anybody fooled. I'm curious. Why is it the worst argument ever? Explain. Because for the vast majority of times it's used, it's wrong. That's why.
Incarna proved that if you say something enough times, you'll eventually be right.
EVE IS DYING!
MASS UNSUBS IMMINENT!
CCP WILL FILE FOR BANKRUPTCY! |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
759
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Posted - 2012.12.26 02:39:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Is the absolute worst argument ever. Can you please stop using it? You don't have anybody fooled. I will unsubcribe is you don't unsubscribe, but if you do not, I will also unsubcribe, just because.
lol
While "people will unsubscribe if you do X" (X being any thing the speaker personally cares about and thus believes EVERYONE cares about it the same way) is very annoying, it's not the most annoying thing sputtered by the high sec crowd.
To me, THE most annoying thing they do is morph EVERY opinon into "you just don't like my playstyle", with "Null/low sec is always camped so OBVIOUSLY null/low sec players don't want me to go there" coming in a close second. I could litterly write a small book filled with dumb stuff high sec solo casuals say.
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
564
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Posted - 2012.12.26 02:46:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Is the absolute worst argument ever. Can you please stop using it? You don't have anybody fooled.
It worked for Incarna right ? Therefore now we can hold CCP hostage for anything we want.
There is just a we bit of sarcasm with the above lines. But this thread sounds a lot like the why can't we all get along threads.
EVERYBODY KNOWS |
Alara IonStorm
3945
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Posted - 2012.12.26 02:57:00 -
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Karrl Tian wrote: Incarna proved that if you say something enough times, you'll eventually be right.
Did you read the forums for the 3 weeks following Incarna?
You post a new thread and it has 30 responses and is on page 5 of General within 5 minutes. 100+ Page Threadtitans jammed between lowly 10-20 page Threadnaughts. You post a 2 sentence response to the last post and it is 2-4 pages ahead.
All the Inventory, Heavy Missile and Drone complaints we've seen so far don't add up to one thread started with the word NeX or Station Hanger at the height of the Firestorm. Yes there are things CCP can do to lose a large but not Incarna sized pop like removing Lvl 4's from High Sec but people who think that X group won't take a slight hit to the chin, well it isn't even close to comparable. It was 40 different things that brought about Incarna and it was boiling since before Tyrannis.
EVE is more stable then people think and most people won't unsub at the drop of a sledgehammer let alone a hat. It takes months of continual dissatisfaction and a massive storm before anything comparable to Incarna happens at you can bet CCP has a better response team to head that sort of crisis off at the pass. You will see the clouds miles away. |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1619
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Posted - 2012.12.26 03:50:00 -
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I don't know, I think the Mittani fanfest incident came pretty close to the Incarna shitstorm. -áObjects in mirror aren't as red as they appear. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2067
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Posted - 2012.12.26 04:19:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Is the absolute worst argument ever. Can you please stop using it? You don't have anybody fooled. It worked for Incarna right ? Therefore now we can hold CCP hostage for anything we want. There is just a we bit of sarcasm with the above lines. But this thread sounds a lot like the why can't we all get along threads. But don't worry, unsubbing and the threads announcing it and the replies asking for stuff... will continue. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
sitar seaton
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.12.26 04:24:00 -
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I unsubbed 2 accounts due to the last patch.
Just waiting for the timer to run out.
Sometimes the only way you can make a company see that the direction they are going is by withdrawing financial support. Complaining on the boards is just not enough. Thankfully my characters wont be deleted so once ccp realizes how foolish they have become to target such a niche market then I will return. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
341
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Posted - 2012.12.26 04:24:00 -
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For every "unsub", I will sub 2x that many accounts.
I will then sub an additional acct for each "... because highsec..." "I do want to point out one "abuse" thing I did see however. *snipped* Please do not post details of possible exploits on the forums. - CCP Eterne" ... Because of Falcon. |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
650
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Posted - 2012.12.26 04:35:00 -
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When WoW extended the time between expansions, and made people basically run the same stuff for a few months, they lost 3M subscribers. There is a point at which people will not continue to play a game when they disagree with the path a game is taking. When one poster says they will leave if X happens, they do actually represent a portion of the player base that feels the same way.
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Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
166
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Posted - 2012.12.26 04:37:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Is the absolute worst argument ever. Can you please stop using it? You don't have anybody fooled.
I say let the money talk if CCP does any change that people hate then the money will be all the thread without words CCP would care about. |
Felicity Love
War-Tech Inc. Black Core Alliance
67
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Posted - 2012.12.26 05:38:00 -
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I'll unsub when "Peace On Earth, Goodwill" etc., etc., actually happens....
Until then, I'm just another crazy kid with a dream who'll never get to be a real astronaut -- such is life -- so just happy to have a place to fly spaceships.
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
525
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Posted - 2012.12.26 05:59:00 -
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Zaknussem wrote:People have unsubscribed in the past, they are unsubscribing because of Retribution and there WILL be people unsubscribing whenever something changes in EvE that doesn't suit them.
The only mass unsub I know of came during Incarna, which didn't nerf anything. You have no idea if people are unsubbing 'because of Retribution'. And because you don't know if people have ever mass unsubbed due to a nerf you can't say it can happen in the future.
Still awaiting the mass unsub promised for the Incursion nerf. Any minute now. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2072
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Posted - 2012.12.26 06:12:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Zaknussem wrote:People have unsubscribed in the past, they are unsubscribing because of Retribution and there WILL be people unsubscribing whenever something changes in EvE that doesn't suit them.
The only mass unsub I know of came during Incarna, which didn't nerf anything. You have no idea if people are unsubbing 'because of Retribution'. And because you don't know if people have ever mass unsubbed due to a nerf you can't say it can happen in the future. Still awaiting the mass unsub promised for the Incursion nerf. Any minute now. They all unsubbed, did they?
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
525
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Posted - 2012.12.26 06:24:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: They all unsubbed, did they?
The forum alts promised it would happen |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1620
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Posted - 2012.12.26 06:46:00 -
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I'm unsubscribing
to this thread. -áObjects in mirror aren't as red as they appear. |
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Elena Melkan
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
73
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Posted - 2012.12.26 07:41:00 -
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I wouldn't be too worried about people who are screaming they will unsub if CCP does X. Most likely the reason they are going to unsub for is only good for the game itself in the longer run. In worst case this kind of people only prevent this game from becoming something better, because it threatens their risk free ISK farming or something silly like that.
So what do we lose if this kind of people unsub? |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
1479
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Posted - 2012.12.26 08:24:00 -
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sitar seaton wrote:I unsubbed 2 accounts due to the last patch.
Just waiting for the timer to run out.
Sometimes the only way you can make a company see that the direction they are going is by withdrawing financial support. Complaining on the boards is just not enough. Thankfully my characters wont be deleted so once ccp realizes how foolish they have become to target such a niche market then I will return.
Due to last patch? Why, exactly? Have you noticed that most people regard Retribution as one of the best expansions ever?
The hilarious thing about these hisec unsubscriber threateners is that they really seem to think their unsubbing matters. They all repeat the same mantra "but but CCP will lose many subs!111!" without realizing that these kind of volatile, non-contributing players mean nothing to CCP.
You have to understand subscribers from CCP's perspective, they have a business to run.
See, on the other side you have the Alfas. Loyal, content-creating, multi-account Eve fans who've been with them for years. These people, the majority, keep the universe alive, fed with action, conflict and drama- inspiring content as CCP defines it. They write blogs and columns, 3rd party programs, run killboards, corporations, alliances and coalitions. They are the target audience. The people to whom CCP created this game. Alfas are cheap in terms of dev resources, it's enough to keep the game balanced, and these guys will play on forever- because they are not playing with the game, they play with each others. It's like a traditional board game for them, awesome in good company.
Then on the other side of the spectrum are the Betas. The flip-floppers, the come-and-gos, the ten-a-pennies. Highly volatile, instant gratification consumer types who split their time between dozens of games and will move on when the next hit title hits the shelves. Their contribution to the game universe is nothing more than leeching, or often strictly negative in the form of forum whines, and bad influence to new players who could be Alfas. These players are demanding in terms of dev resources. They want new shiny all the time and demand to be entertained, they want the basic mechanics of the game chaged, and they clog the customer service because they never bothered to read the rules of the game. They don't like challenges, EVE is like a film to them, where they want to be star without even learning the lines.
Which group would you prefer, as the owner of this virtual world? Which ones would you want to attract, when you've been successful for 10 years without a huge influx of the Beta types? What if CCP doesn't need your sub money?
Consider this next time you threaten to unsub. I tried to remove this sig. |
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
137
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Posted - 2012.12.26 10:47:00 -
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Roime wrote:sitar seaton wrote:I unsubbed 2 accounts due to the last patch.
Just waiting for the timer to run out.
Sometimes the only way you can make a company see that the direction they are going is by withdrawing financial support. Complaining on the boards is just not enough. Thankfully my characters wont be deleted so once ccp realizes how foolish they have become to target such a niche market then I will return. Due to last patch? Why, exactly? Have you noticed that most people regard Retribution as one of the best expansions ever? The hilarious thing about these hisec unsubscriber threateners is that they really seem to think their unsubbing matters. They all repeat the same mantra "but but CCP will lose many subs!111!" without realizing that these kind of volatile, non-contributing players mean nothing to CCP. You have to understand subscribers from CCP's perspective, they have a business to run. See, on the other side you have the Alfas. Loyal, content-creating, multi-account Eve fans who've been with them for years. These people, the majority, keep the universe alive, fed with action, conflict and drama- inspiring content as CCP defines it. They write blogs and columns, 3rd party programs, run killboards, corporations, alliances and coalitions. They are the target audience. The people to whom CCP created this game. Alfas are cheap in terms of dev resources, it's enough to keep the game balanced, and these guys will play on forever- because they are not playing with the game, they play with each others. It's like a traditional board game for them, awesome in good company. Then on the other side of the spectrum are the Betas. The flip-floppers, the come-and-gos, the ten-a-pennies. Highly volatile, instant gratification consumer types who split their time between dozens of games and will move on when the next hit title hits the shelves. Their contribution to the game universe is nothing more than leeching, or often strictly negative in the form of forum whines, and bad influence to new players who could be Alfas. These players are demanding in terms of dev resources. They want new shiny all the time and demand to be entertained, they want the basic mechanics of the game chaged, and they clog the customer service because they never bothered to read the rules of the game. They don't like challenges, EVE is like a film to them, where they want to be star without even learning the lines. Which group would you prefer, as the owner of this virtual world? Which ones would you want to attract, when you've been successful for 10 years without a huge influx of the Beta types? What if CCP doesn't need your sub money? Consider this next time you threaten to unsub.
youd be surprised how many of those beta players are playing the game
not just this game,any game
gaming is no longer the activity that the weird kid with no friends does,its multi billion dollar mainstream past time
eve is a mainstream game,whether you like it or not, i know players like to pat themselves on the back how hardcore eve is - it isnt,anyone can play it - why do you think the subscribing numbers are still growing? because suddenly all the geeks found out about eve? dont know when you started playing - number of years ago sure,eve was game like that tough love,kill or be killed - it isnt anymore,its going the WOW way of appealing to more casual players because its the working model
id even argue that eve has more as you called them beta players than other games because of how skill points work,you dont have to grind this game to make it far,thats very appealing to someone who doesnt have a lot of time to play
dont be surprised to see even more cattering towards casual playstyle in the future,with more eyecandy than serious content because ccp already has alpha players hooked up,they will play anyway,they dont need to attract you,you are already in love, its the beta players they are looking for,those players who are not in love and dont need much to find the love elsewhere and feed it with their money
incarna showed that if players dont like something (doesnt matter if its nerf or P2W,it has to be something they dont like) they are willing to unsub - mess with the bull,you got the horns
so enjoy the times while they last dear alpha,because you are becoming an endangered spieces,we are after you,we have particular set of skills,we will find you and we will kill you (read that in Liam Neesons voice)
oh lunchtime,gotta go |
Rain6637
Team Evil
130
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Posted - 2012.12.26 10:54:00 -
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if high sec becomes unplayable, i'll just dock to train for the duration of an expansion, pop my head out like Punxsutawney Phil... and if it looks like a long winter, ...redock, remap, skillqueue. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Buckingham Buckingham is my Vanilla Sky |
Dave stark
945
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Posted - 2012.12.26 11:03:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:I see. I am sorry about that. Not needing to grind ISK just to pay for subs is a luxury but if you somehow would manage to bring in an extra $15 each month you could enjoy it too. It will enable you to put more focus on activities that burn ISK instead - you know the fun stuff. Anyhow, I hope you will recover from your poverty and will prosper in life.
*shrug* i'm a miner, i don't have much to spend my isk on anyway so it may as well go on plex and save me some money.
i don't really find the combat in this game more "fun" than the mining. they're both "lock target, press f1 and wait". the difference is i don't lose isk by mining, or have to constantly go and change ships/fittings etc. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1529
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Posted - 2012.12.26 11:09:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:I see. I am sorry about that. Not needing to grind ISK just to pay for subs is a luxury but if you somehow would manage to bring in an extra $15 each month you could enjoy it too. It will enable you to put more focus on activities that burn ISK instead - you know the fun stuff. Anyhow, I hope you will recover from your poverty and will prosper in life.
I pay my sub with cash when I'm taking a break from the game, but when I'm actually playing it I use PLEX. It only takes 2 hours of ratting per account, or 12 freighter ganks. It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |
Dave stark
946
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Posted - 2012.12.26 11:11:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Lexmana wrote:I see. I am sorry about that. Not needing to grind ISK just to pay for subs is a luxury but if you somehow would manage to bring in an extra $15 each month you could enjoy it too. It will enable you to put more focus on activities that burn ISK instead - you know the fun stuff. Anyhow, I hope you will recover from your poverty and will prosper in life. I pay my sub with cash when I'm taking a break from the game, but when I'm actually playing it I use PLEX. It only takes 2 hours of ratting per account, or 12 freighter ganks.
2hrs of ratting, for a 550m plex? that's nearly 300m/hour ratting.... teach me your secrets. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2605
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Posted - 2012.12.26 11:14:00 -
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Roime wrote:sitar seaton wrote:I unsubbed 2 accounts due to the last patch.
Just waiting for the timer to run out.
Sometimes the only way you can make a company see that the direction they are going is by withdrawing financial support. Complaining on the boards is just not enough. Thankfully my characters wont be deleted so once ccp realizes how foolish they have become to target such a niche market then I will return. Due to last patch? Why, exactly? Have you noticed that most people regard Retribution as one of the best expansions ever? The hilarious thing about these hisec unsubscriber threateners is that they really seem to think their unsubbing matters. They all repeat the same mantra "but but CCP will lose many subs!111!" without realizing that these kind of volatile, non-contributing players mean nothing to CCP. You have to understand subscribers from CCP's perspective, they have a business to run. See, on the other side you have the Alfas. Loyal, content-creating, multi-account Eve fans who've been with them for years. These people, the majority, keep the universe alive, fed with action, conflict and drama- inspiring content as CCP defines it. They write blogs and columns, 3rd party programs, run killboards, corporations, alliances and coalitions. They are the target audience. The people to whom CCP created this game. Alfas are cheap in terms of dev resources, it's enough to keep the game balanced, and these guys will play on forever- because they are not playing with the game, they play with each others. It's like a traditional board game for them, awesome in good company. Then on the other side of the spectrum are the Betas. The flip-floppers, the come-and-gos, the ten-a-pennies. Highly volatile, instant gratification consumer types who split their time between dozens of games and will move on when the next hit title hits the shelves. Their contribution to the game universe is nothing more than leeching, or often strictly negative in the form of forum whines, and bad influence to new players who could be Alfas. These players are demanding in terms of dev resources. They want new shiny all the time and demand to be entertained, they want the basic mechanics of the game chaged, and they clog the customer service because they never bothered to read the rules of the game. They don't like challenges, EVE is like a film to them, where they want to be star without even learning the lines. Which group would you prefer, as the owner of this virtual world? Which ones would you want to attract, when you've been successful for 10 years without a huge influx of the Beta types? What if CCP doesn't need your sub money? Consider this next time you threaten to unsub.
Glad to see human kind may be sharply divided in two classes.
Also, alpha personalities are .rare, have luck funding a MMO with those 5k players. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Funky Lazers
Shin-Ra Ltd
103
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Posted - 2012.12.26 11:18:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:You have no idea if people are unsubbing 'because of Retribution'.
Just had 3 people unsub at my corp just because of new AI and TD madness. People didn't feel any fun doing pve stuff anymore
The reason of unsubbing is very clear to me.
As for myself, I have 2 month paid on my accounts, then I'll think about leaving or not,
Quote:*shrug* i'm a miner, i don't have much to spend my isk on anyway so it may as well go on plex and save me some money.
i don't really find the combat in this game more "fun" than the mining. they're both "lock target, press f1 and wait". the difference is i don't lose isk by mining, or have to constantly go and change ships/fittings etc.
Exactly, pve/mining/pvp is just all the same, F1 and see stuff happends. "Adapt" - means you have to stop using the ship you like and start flying Drake or Tengu like the rest nullbear newbs. |
Generals4
1633
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Posted - 2012.12.26 11:22:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Is the absolute worst argument ever. Can you please stop using it? You don't have anybody fooled.
People will unsubscribe if you keep on making such posts.
Seewhatididthar?
But you're right. That argument can be basically interpreted as "I don't have any good counter-points so i'll just claim i know what will make players massively quit and appeal to CCP's desire to make money" -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
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