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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10810
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Posted - 2012.12.26 11:54:00 -
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Tarvos Telesto wrote:CCP decide about this long time ago, believe me or not they plan incrusion mechanic before relase and they realise idea like this is horrible that why no incrusion spawn near hi sec gates. Actually, no. They never did provide a good answer (or indeed any answer) to why there should be no gate rats in highsec.
Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:I agree with this guy. Why would Sansha actually be able to gatecamp, when the combined power of COMCORD, and the X-Navy patrolling the highsec regions... For the same reason they can take over the rest of the system. Why should the combined power of CONCORD (who aren't a factor) and the navy be enough to clear the gates when they can't even do that when there's not an incursion going on and when all the pirates bring is a frigate? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Gen Fesslenski
Legio Prima Victrix Imperius Legio Victrix
9
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Posted - 2012.12.26 11:54:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:Tarvos Telesto wrote:Some Rando wrote:Honestly, it's kind of silly to have them everywhere else but high-sec. What the point of this idea, only to make people rage? believe me or not this may give only negative imact on players, well i understand that you want make EvE so realistic and dangerus as possible, but this is wrong way, no offence. Hi sec is full of people who prefer pve, let them play like thy want, they are like 70% of EvE subscribers data base, in fact null space are horrible empty and sad place, making Hi sec players rage is bad idea. Incursions ARE pve
Not strictly. PvE in EvE you choose to go to when you're ready. Much like PvP happens in lo and null and you start in hisec, you don't PvP unless you go to a site, belt or do a mission. Stick them everywhere and give them guns that require a 10 man squad with logi and DPS and you'll soon see all your own ships n stuff leap up in price, then you'll see everyone crying.
Remember, there a quite a few parts of EvE where avoiding a single system means 5-10 additional jumps. Some times a hell of a lot more. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10811
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Posted - 2012.12.26 12:00:00 -
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Gen Fesslenski wrote:Not strictly. PvE in EvE you choose to go to when you're ready. Much like PvP happens in lo and null and you start in hisec, you don't PvP-áPvE unless you go to a site, belt or do a mission. Ugh. That's a pretty bad comparison since PvP happens everywhere and you start in the middle of it.
Also, incrusions are PvP GÇö you may not shoot the other players, but you are competing with them over who can shoot the most red crosses. If you don't beat the other players, you don't get any rewards. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Yatama Kautsuo
Tencus
50
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Posted - 2012.12.26 12:13:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Tarvos Telesto wrote:let them play like thy want no.
go! take that candy! |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
269
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Posted - 2012.12.26 12:52:00 -
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ihcn wrote:until you vocal minorities had your way, even the "pve" content in eve online was riddled with pvp opportunities. miners could be canflipped,
Can still be done easily.
ihcn wrote:missioners could be ninja salvaged,
Can still be done easily.
ihcn wrote:hisec traders could be suicide ganked.
Can still be done easily.
Stop whining and start using :effort:. |
Jungleland Roy
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.12.26 15:57:00 -
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When the Sansha incursions were announced by CCP they also stated that Sansha would camp the lo-sec gates. They said (cant remember who actually said it - but it was a CCP person) they would do this to stop players camping the incursion systems. Otherwise evil minded players (of which there are some in this game - shock horror!!) could camp the incursion systems for easy high value kills or just general disrupting of incursion fleets.
As to whether Sansha should camp the high sec gates as well? Yes it would be a pain for the high-seccers but I think there is an argument to do it. After all Sansha have invaded - and are disrupting the local space area. t would cause rage and tears but not a game breaking amount imo and certainly would make the behaviour consistent. Want to get rid of the incursion effects (ie gatecamps)? then go join the fleets killing them.
Roy
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
312
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Posted - 2012.12.26 16:07:00 -
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ihcn wrote: eve has been advertised as an always-on pvp game for years
you really believe to advertisements? how old are you? 6 or less?
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Romvex
269
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Posted - 2012.12.26 17:13:00 -
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Damn those griefing NPCs... Post with your main |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2012.12.26 17:25:00 -
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I'm allright with sansha gatecamp in high sec as long as there is something at the gate so people who are not on auto pilot can see without cruising through menus if they are heading into trouble. Bigger militia presence would do and be fitting as they would be seen as preventive defensive force on the limit of the current battlefield.
Could the Sansha be made to invade more system if not stopped fast enough? Like a spreading invasion depending on the amount of damage players did in the past X hours instead of a fixed amount of system being invaded? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2935
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Posted - 2012.12.26 18:06:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Tarvos Telesto wrote: What the point of this idea, only to make people rage? believe me or not this may give only negative imact on players, well i understand that you want make EvE so realistic and dangerus as possible, but this is wrong way, no offence.
What is the point of having them on Low and Null Sec Gates then? Simple, the idea is to make the Sansha out to be an occupying power, a force to be reckoned. I think Gates should display the Sec Status and Incursions on the overview, the AP should be settable to avoid Incursions by default and yes those gates should be blockaded by Sansha Ships. Also they should also give standard loot and salvage for an NPC of that size on gates and in belts. Tarvos Telesto wrote: Hi sec is full of people who prefer pve, let them play like thy want, they are like 70% of EvE subscribers data base, in fact null space are horrible empty and sad place, making Hi sec players rage is bad idea.
Because they are all so pathetic to walk in blind to Incursions systems again and again and rage quit at the first sign of challenge. Incursions are supposed to be disruptive aggressive PvE, your telling me Hi-Sec players can not handle aggressive PvE... I'm an optimist. I don't think they are temperamental dimwits, in fact I think that if an important route is camped they will have escorts punch through and clear it like people with balls (/ lady balls) and pride would. I have never met anyone in this game outside the forums that is so weak as to not rise to a good challenge. Hi Sec could use more environmental challenge to rise too and over come. This! To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2130
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Posted - 2012.12.26 18:15:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:yeah right don't you know i have been in npc corp for 4 years and have nothing on my killboard except that one time i got ganked and podded, of course eve isn't a pvp game. 4 years man 4 years. Ganked and .. podded? You lost the pod in highsec? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2935
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Posted - 2012.12.26 18:20:00 -
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Just about every aspect of EvE includes Player vs Player activity, including those professions that are primarily Player vs. EvE.
Keep in mind also that even if you are restricting (for some unknown reason) your definition of PVP to combat situations, the steps you take to evade or defend against attackers falls under this category as well.
Fitting a cloak to evade gate camps = PVP. Warping out of a belt because you picked up an incoming gank squad on short range D scan = PVP. Fitting a tank so that your industrial vessel can withstand a suicide gank attempt successfully = PVP.
The moment someone attempts to engage you in combat you are engaging in a PVP combat situation, whether you fire a shot or not, whether you are even there when they come out of warp or not.
Anyone can try and engage you in combat anywhere except when docked, and even then they can engage you in economic warfare if direct methods are unavailable.
This is by design, and the entire game is based on this premise.
To deny it is simply projecting your poorly thought out desires onto the face of the EvE universe, and will only lead to dissappointment when inevitably you are eventually proven wrong. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
250
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Posted - 2012.12.26 18:21:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:Are you serious? The amount of whining from people moving freighters full of expensive items to market would flood the forums with tears. You just can't expect them to look at a map and find an alternate route now can you, that would take like two minutes.
You almost make this sound like its a bad thing. Carebear whine is directly proportional to a better EvE Online. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2012.12.26 18:25:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Ghazu wrote:yeah right don't you know i have been in npc corp for 4 years and have nothing on my killboard except that one time i got ganked and podded, of course eve isn't a pvp game. 4 years man 4 years. Ganked and .. podded? You lost the pod in highsec?
Wut? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2130
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Posted - 2012.12.26 18:25:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Mortimer Civeri wrote:Are you serious? The amount of whining from people moving freighters full of expensive items to market would flood the forums with tears. You just can't expect them to look at a map and find an alternate route now can you, that would take like two minutes. You almost make this sound like its a bad thing. Carebear whine is directly proportional to a better EvE Online. You're suggesting that gankers and bumpers are ... good... for eve?
Please, go get podded by a ganker. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10843
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Posted - 2012.12.26 18:28:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:You're suggesting that gankers and bumpers are ... good... for eve? Far better than the alternative, at least. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2939
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Posted - 2012.12.26 18:43:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Mortimer Civeri wrote:Are you serious? The amount of whining from people moving freighters full of expensive items to market would flood the forums with tears. You just can't expect them to look at a map and find an alternate route now can you, that would take like two minutes. You almost make this sound like its a bad thing. Carebear whine is directly proportional to a better EvE Online. You're suggesting that gankers and bumpers are ... good... for eve? Please, go get podded by a ganker. The more challenging the player environment the better the game, as long as everyone has the same tools at their disposal and methods are available to protect yourself one way or another. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything. Clockwork Pineapple
81
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Posted - 2012.12.26 18:59:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:ihcn wrote:until you vocal minorities had your way, even the "pve" content in eve online was riddled with pvp opportunities. miners could be canflipped, Can still be done easily. ihcn wrote:missioners could be ninja salvaged, Can still be done easily. ihcn wrote:hisec traders could be suicide ganked. Can still be done easily. Stop whining and start using :effort:. Oh look the NPC alt poster wants to be taken seriously. Since you're trying to tell me that canflipping is still a worthwhile activity, it's apparent why you're posting with a NPC alt :) Tell you what, you try canflipping yourself. spend a god couple hours at it. When you're done, come back and see if you can come up with some reasons why it's not viable as a way of instigating pvp.
As for ninja salvaging, the NPCs will shoot you now, and you get flagged as a suspect when you steal, meaning you can't undock in an actual combat ship. So that's out.
Suicide ganking is still in, but it's the worst (as in, its the least fun for everyone involved) mechanic out of the three when it comes to inciting pvp, and the fact that ccp is trying to bring it to the forefront as the ONLY way to bring non-consensual pvp to hisec babies is really worrying. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2130
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Posted - 2012.12.26 19:01:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Mortimer Civeri wrote:Are you serious? The amount of whining from people moving freighters full of expensive items to market would flood the forums with tears. You just can't expect them to look at a map and find an alternate route now can you, that would take like two minutes. You almost make this sound like its a bad thing. Carebear whine is directly proportional to a better EvE Online. You're suggesting that gankers and bumpers are ... good... for eve? Please, go get podded by a ganker. The more challenging the player environment the better the game, as long as everyone has the same tools at their disposal and methods are available to protect yourself one way or another. You need a nerf. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2012.12.26 19:07:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Mortimer Civeri wrote:Are you serious? The amount of whining from people moving freighters full of expensive items to market would flood the forums with tears. You just can't expect them to look at a map and find an alternate route now can you, that would take like two minutes. You almost make this sound like its a bad thing. Carebear whine is directly proportional to a better EvE Online. You're suggesting that gankers and bumpers are ... good... for eve? Please, go get podded by a ganker. The more challenging the player environment the better the game, as long as everyone has the same tools at their disposal and methods are available to protect yourself one way or another. You need a nerf.
Buff nerfing. It makes the game too good. |
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masternerdguy
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
910
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Posted - 2012.12.26 19:37:00 -
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Because hi seccers are afraid of consequences. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
ElQuirko
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
970
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Posted - 2012.12.26 19:57:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Because hi seccers are afraid of consequences.
Because Sansha knows that nullseccers' tears are sweetest and lowseccers' tears are rare indeed. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012 |
Umega
Solis Mensa
124
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Posted - 2012.12.26 20:27:00 -
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I still hope that some day.. Incursions will be made complete with the ability for players to join Sansha's side. And with that.. they are granted the ability to attack those that are not aligned to Sansha, in Incursion effect systems only. And of course, anyone can fire upon them.. in Incursion effected systems. That's EVE.
It would make the experince more enjoyable for everyone. And before 'doomsayers' say NO.. do consider it will bring plenty of people looking for pewpew on both sides. Would open the doors for 'merc' groups to specialize in protection. It would promote, build, and strengthen fleet fighting. Skirmish fighting. Gang fighting. Hit-n-runs + sneak attacks. This, coupled with some changes to null.. would in turn strengthen null and give it fresh meat with a thirst for blood.. and actual pvp combat experince worth meriting. Everyone wins..
Except the people that believe they should be perfectly protected.. and completely fail at recognizing that the core of EVE is that it is a Sandbox style game. Other people's choices and actions can, and should have an effect on others. Whether they like it or not really is irrelevent.. what they should have is the tools ingame to fight back. The above provides such.. it truly does, to those that can do it. If you can not do it.. you are fail. Quit looking for a cheap out, shed a tear.. and biomass.
Let me share a story that might help. I played an MMO.. it was decent and enjoyable to a point, but I didn't particularly like certain core aspects of it. It felt too, frustrating. So instead of demanding that the game be changed to suit me.. I realized such wasn't right, as my ideas were not in aligned with the direction it was designed to go.. I stopped playing. And found something better for me.. my enjoyment increased tenfold simply by not being a entitled little *****, getting off my ass, and finding myself within something else.
You know.. the people that rage about changing the complete landscape of envirnoment to their ways and ideals tend to be what throughout history.. Tyrants. Not Saints. The irony that is the EVE forums. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4577
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Posted - 2012.12.26 21:44:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:ihcn wrote: eve has been advertised as an always-on pbp game for years
if you want a single player game, why not go play X3 or something and leave eve to those of us who don't want to make it into something it's not?
Quote:Eve Online From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Players of Eve Online can participate in a number of in-game professions and activities, including mining, piracy, manufacturing, trading, exploration, and combat (both player versus environment and player versus player). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_Onlinelol, you got a lot of nerve, especially since your character isn't as old as mine. Anyway, I don't see where it says Eve Online is strictly PvP. If you want strictly PvP spaceship mmo's, you should check out other games like Allegiance or DarkSpace, etc and leave Eve to those of us who don't want to make it into something it's not? DMC yeah right don't you know i have been in npc corp for 4 years and have nothing on my killboard except that one time i got ganked and podded, of course eve isn't a pvp game. 4 years man 4 years.
Meanwhile your 2 1/2 year old character doesn't have any killboard record at all.
And it's a goon too?
DMC |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
764
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Posted - 2012.12.26 22:02:00 -
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Tarvos Telesto wrote:Some Rando wrote:Honestly, it's kind of silly to have them everywhere else but high-sec. What the point of this idea, only to make people rage? believe me or not this may give only negative imact on players, well i understand that you want make EvE so realistic and dangerus as possible, but this is wrong way, no offence. Hi sec is full of people who prefer pve, let them play like thy want, they are like 70% of EvE subscribers data base, in fact null space are horrible empty and sad place, making Hi sec players rage is bad idea.
The above post is what's wrong with hi-sec and hi-sec posters. How dare we suggest High Sec players be subjected to THE SAME THINGS the rest of the EVE universe is.
A Sansha gate camp IS PVE lol. Everywhere else players are FORCED to deal with PVE (such as a sansha incursion rat gate camp), but of course, that's too much to ask for the Welfare Queens of EVE...I mean "noble high sec dweller". |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
764
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Posted - 2012.12.26 22:08:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:I dont see a point in this thread. I smell lock in the air. All this ranting "hisec vs nullsec" are already disscussed across many threads. We dont need another one.
It isn't high sec vs null sec, it's unfair high sec entitlement vs the entire rest of the game.
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Veronica Kerrigan
Hand Of Midas My Other Laboratory is a Distillery
48
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Posted - 2012.12.27 01:17:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_Onlinelol, you got a lot of nerve, especially since your character isn't as old as mine. Anyway, I don't see where it says Eve Online is strictly PvP. If you want strictly PvP spaceship mmo's, you should check out other games like Allegiance or DarkSpace, etc and leave Eve to those of us who don't want to make it into something it's not? DMC
There are very few actions in the EVE online universe that are not linked to PVP in some way. Miners mine the minerals used to make the ships and the guns, mission runners and incursioners produce the currency used to make these transactions, haulers take good from where they are produced to where people need them, and the pvpers provide the resource sink that makes the whole system possible. PvE activity has an effect on PvP in the long run. Moreover, PvP is quite literally everywhere in the game. There is no way to perform a PvE activity without subjecting yourself to a potential PvP situation.
As to your argument about character age, it would be wise to remember that a character's age does not always represent how long the player behind it has been active in the game.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
929
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Posted - 2012.12.27 01:28:00 -
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So, has any headway been made on the 'Sansha gatecamp on highsec gates' topic, or is it still degenerating into a null vs highsec urination competition? Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Tesal
102
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Posted - 2012.12.27 02:00:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Tarvos Telesto wrote:Some Rando wrote:Honestly, it's kind of silly to have them everywhere else but high-sec. What the point of this idea, only to make people rage? believe me or not this may give only negative imact on players, well i understand that you want make EvE so realistic and dangerus as possible, but this is wrong way, no offence. Hi sec is full of people who prefer pve, let them play like thy want, they are like 70% of EvE subscribers data base, in fact null space are horrible empty and sad place, making Hi sec players rage is bad idea. The above post is what's wrong with hi-sec and hi-sec posters. How dare we suggest High Sec players be subjected to THE SAME THINGS the rest of the EVE universe is. A Sansha gate camp IS PVE lol. Everywhere else players are FORCED to deal with PVE (such as a sansha incursion rat gate camp), but of course, that's too much to ask for the Welfare Queens of EVE...I mean "noble high sec dweller".
Whats wrong with being a welfare queen?
If the force PvE on you thats ****. |
Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
361
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Posted - 2012.12.27 02:13:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:So, has any headway been made on the 'Sansha gatecamp on highsec gates' topic, or is it still degenerating into a null vs highsec urination competition? Generally speaking, any topic in GD can be relied upon to devolve into a null-sec vs. high-sec urination competition, especially when someone asks why high-sec is lacking a feature common to other parts of space. This was anticipated when I created the OP. |
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