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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
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Posted - 2012.12.26 07:38:00 -
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So i got some time off and was in da hood for some L4..drone L4's and i recorder few short videos of unspeakable evil that is happening en masses to drone commodores all over eve....
Final conclusion..not much.
1st_stop the thief
2nd_Angel cartel spies
3rd_recon 1-3
4th_Gone berserk
Last one have nasty drone aggro.
Few points :
I don't care,
Mina is not my gallente alt but she was closer to ship one can proly get additional ~120 dps for max ownage.
Usage of blasters would be much quicker in few situations but i was lazy_ish.
Soo..where is the fuss,adapt change tactics accept that if you sick your drones at something you might get burned.,so far only thing i see is CCP doing the right thing,and changes that can be played thru. "it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again"
Leeloo Dallas Multipass - "Big bada boom"
http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg |
Sgt LoveDragon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.26 09:23:00 -
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Nice to see some vids. Id be more interested to see how they fare in some of the missions where there's more than 8 npcs. I noticed one of your sentries in last vid got a little paint scratched. I don't think anything you experienced in these vids is what people are complaining about. If it is then it is very manageable.
When i am doing V's and i decide for some insane rreason to deploy drones if my finger is not on the button for recall at least one will die and certainly all will dock with some kind of armor damage. It is still a neccesity though to be able to kill scramble frigates in a timely fashion not just for the incoming dps but because of the possibility of hostile probers.
I do think the vids were a good post and i agree if this is the kind of drone issues the majority of people are having then it is quite manageable. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
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Posted - 2012.12.26 09:33:00 -
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L5's are different ballpark im just in awe of 300% overstated drama about new AI .
Point is drones wore out and barely look upon NPC's. "it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again"
Leeloo Dallas Multipass - "Big bada boom"
http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg |
Annunaki soldier
Segmentum Solar Nulli Legio
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Posted - 2012.12.26 09:48:00 -
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First the drone AI , is different when you use sentries or heavies lets say. Also on exploration sites sometimes the acc gate take you inside the grp, tons of damage and you need to burn the frigs fast to be able to get rid the webs so you can take some distance and tank the damage. Situations like that really show the retarted way light drones gets agro from pocket and get 1shotted or 2 shotted most of the time (its really the situation for many peoplle i believe) and you need to lose a few to get out. Also what i really have noticed is that for a strange reason , sentries get less agro from all the other drones. Ride hard, live with passion-á |
Vixorz
Lynx Armada
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Posted - 2012.12.26 09:51:00 -
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Annunaki soldier wrote:First the drone AI , is different when you use sentries or heavies lets say. Also on exploration sites sometimes the acc gate take you inside the grp, tons of damage and you need to burn the frigs fast to be able to get rid the webs so you can take some distance and tank the damage. Situations like that really show the retarted way light drones gets agro from pocket and get 1shotted or 2 shotted most of the time (its really the situation for many peoplle i believe) and you need to lose a few to get out. Also what i really have noticed is that for a strange reason , sentries get less agro from all the other drones.
Large Micro Jump Drive is your friend. |
Annunaki soldier
Segmentum Solar Nulli Legio
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Posted - 2012.12.26 11:23:00 -
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how about if that happen to a mission then get your dual logis and a deticate frig killer . Its easier. MJD have no place , people tend to use mwd and a cloak most of the time because you might get jumped. Replacing that with a MJD will only make you dead . Also gl with that having yto burn back to 10-20 km cause of AC . The problem isnt the modules here. Is that they added the AI without rebalancing everything so they can actually work . When you doing a 7/10+ you will get webbed , scrammed by the same npc on many occassions. And you cant do nothing cause acc gates land you on frig orbit range. Peoples problem aint that drones get agro at some time , is that on full pockets that you do need em to work , drones get agro instantly as soon as you deploy. People are reporting full pocket agro with ewar , there you need the drones and ofc that is the time you see that AI dont work good. Test it to find out Ride hard, live with passion-á |
Arelia Nova
7 Dancers and a caldari Shuttle
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Posted - 2012.12.26 17:06:00 -
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Make the rats increasingly tougher, smarter and more creative while increasing bounty you recieve for each one.
Would be nice to fight some Rats with a 50M isk bounty, Maybe even begin integrating them into PVP slowly. |
Veronica Kerrigan
Hand Of Midas My Other Laboratory is a Distillery
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Posted - 2012.12.26 18:35:00 -
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Just to be sure I understand, when you release your drone to kill the things that are webbing and scramming you, said frigate immediately stop attacking you and focus on your drones? Seems like the solution to me, for you drone commodores with super awesome skills. Use a flight or 2 of tech 1 light drones to kill the scram/web frigs, all the while not being affected by them. Analyze, adapt, and overcome my friends. |
Annunaki soldier
Segmentum Solar Nulli Legio
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Posted - 2012.12.26 19:13:00 -
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Veronica Kerrigan wrote:Just to be sure I understand, when you release your drone to kill the things that are webbing and scramming you, said frigate immediately stop attacking you and focus on your drones? Seems like the solution to me, for you drone commodores with super awesome skills. Use a flight or 2 of tech 1 light drones to kill the scram/web frigs, all the while not being affected by them. Analyze, adapt, and overcome my friends.
so you actually saying t1 drones dont get agro and perform better than t2 . Intresting...
That analyze adapt and overcome from you really makes me think your experience limits to belt ratting. There are of course still solutions via changing ships modules and you will still perform but when it comes to drone AI it will be nice to actually have at mind people that invested into drone skills and like to fly that category (yes it exists )
Ride hard, live with passion-á |
Veronica Kerrigan
Hand Of Midas My Other Laboratory is a Distillery
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Posted - 2012.12.26 20:28:00 -
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Annunaki soldier wrote:Veronica Kerrigan wrote:Just to be sure I understand, when you release your drone to kill the things that are webbing and scramming you, said frigate immediately stop attacking you and focus on your drones? Seems like the solution to me, for you drone commodores with super awesome skills. Use a flight or 2 of tech 1 light drones to kill the scram/web frigs, all the while not being affected by them. Analyze, adapt, and overcome my friends. so you actually saying t1 drones dont get agro and perform better than t2 . Intresting... That analyze adapt and overcome from you really makes me think your experience limits to belt ratting. There are of course still solutions via changing ships modules and you will still perform but when it comes to drone AI it will be nice to actually have at mind people that invested into drone skills and like to fly that category (yes it exists ) I am not saying that t1 drones do not I get aggro, I am saying that if they get aggro, it isn't a bad thing. When you release a flight of drone, all the frigate in the immediate vicinity switch targets, after a period of a few seconds. This means that the scrams and webs from the frigs are no longer affecting you, allowing you to either pull range, or warp out. The reasoning behind having the tech 1 drones is that IF they die, you aren't actually losing that much money.
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Annunaki soldier
Segmentum Solar Nulli Legio
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Posted - 2012.12.26 23:27:00 -
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ofc you are. At some cases it isnt really a matter of losing a couple of t2 drones. But when you need to carry 15+ for a plex that s ok it leaves you from 25 to 1 bil loot and you are on a mach , and you still have a problem, something is not working as intended. Thats my point. If i am having a problem on the same occasion what a drone ship or a worse will do. Not all people have 7 mil on drones or 70 mil SP total.
Something is wrong with that AI thing and i strongly believe. CCP has done a step nerfing the nerf but they need to work it a bit more. Ride hard, live with passion-á |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
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Posted - 2012.12.27 01:10:00 -
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Updated. "it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again"
Leeloo Dallas Multipass - "Big bada boom"
http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2012.12.27 01:41:00 -
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These easy missions aren't what people are complaining about. Try high lvl plexes on for size. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
Sgt LoveDragon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.27 07:57:00 -
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Veronica Kerrigan wrote:Just to be sure I understand, when you release your drone to kill the things that are webbing and scramming you, said frigate immediately stop attacking you and focus on your drones? Seems like the solution to me, for you drone commodores with super awesome skills. Use a flight or 2 of tech 1 light drones to kill the scram/web frigs, all the while not being affected by them. Analyze, adapt, and overcome my friends.
This would be useful if they just didnt die so fast. I have no clue what is shooting the drones because i need to watch their hp, if i don't then they die. We're talking within 5 seconds they are in low armor. I'm almost certain that in most missions my ship is still scrammed while these drones die. Just from the way you word your response i'd have a hard time following your advice anyway because it seems to stem from ignorance. Not a flame, you just come off high and mighty as never having attempted the things I've done and would like to pretend that you know the solution. |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
185
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Posted - 2012.12.27 18:54:00 -
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Annunaki soldier wrote:ofc you are. At some cases it isnt really a matter of losing a couple of t2 drones. But when you need to carry 15+ for a plex that s ok it leaves you from 25 to 1 bil loot and you are on a mach , and you still have a problem, something is not working as intended. Thats my point. If i am having a problem on the same occasion what a drone ship or a worse will do. Not all people have 7 mil on drones or 70 mil SP total.
Something is wrong with that AI thing and i strongly believe. CCP has done a step nerfing the nerf but they need to work it a bit more.
You may want to look at faction drones a bit closer. They have 2 times the tank of T2's, slightly better tracking but are slower moving. If you aren't sending them off at long ranges, the extra tank can be a lot more than the value of the speed and small damage increase.
A lot of this advice is based upon style of play so keep that in mind.
If you send them out at longer ranges, and they're getting killed at those ranges, the extra tank won't offset the very large increase in costs to buy them but if you are "barely losing them" most of the time (they aren't getting back but are most of the way to your ship) - the extra tank can more than offset the extra costs being as you won't be losing them.
It's an option to consider - extra costs without losses become trivial over time but that's the key: Not losing them. |
Annunaki soldier
Segmentum Solar Nulli Legio
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Posted - 2012.12.27 23:06:00 -
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there is not 1 light drone that will not get 1 shotted or 2 shotted from those elite frigs inside the plex. Thats the funny part. The only time you can actually lose something is the only time that you have a problem with the new drone AI. Faction drones cant really tank or perform better lets say angle military operation complex . Personally i have just changed my ships that i was using and i am ok , but that not an option for all Ride hard, live with passion-á |
Grombutz
Treasures Collectors Solar Citizens
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Posted - 2012.12.28 13:12:00 -
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I wonder if OP do realize that posting a "way to easy" although he would've been dead in a Sansha Recon 1 is not the best Idea. :D
Hilarious vids of stupidly easy missions vs a stupidly easy faction, 3/10 for this trolling attempt. |
Mund Richard
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Posted - 2012.12.28 13:43:00 -
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Was hoping for full room version, would have been more fun on the dps part :( E-war? Missed the full room agro part, so your targeting range was never less than the next target in sight. Multi-room? The first time I managed to do the first room, I cried inside, so boring where the next two room.
The way you did it was excellent, proper targeting, miniscule shield tank of one invuln one booster one DC, and I assume 5 magstab+DDA in the lows, and even a tracking comp to help out those six 425 IIs.
Really educational vid. Well, apart from the Curator II usage.
Did any of those ships get within 25km? Was lazy to check. Wonder how it would fare in one that has them already within optimal, and many of them, with the previous agro bug. Wish there was a Rogue Drone Faction Battleship. Infested Domi! including all the wiggly bits for extra drone repairs, more drone dps than a Rattler due to a role bonus, less tank, and with turrets. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
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Posted - 2012.12.28 16:32:00 -
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Grombutz wrote:I wonder if OP do realize that posting a "way to easy" although he would've been dead in a Sansha Recon 1 is not the best Idea. :D
Hilarious vids of stupidly easy missions vs a stupidly easy faction, 3/10 for this trolling attempt.
You shouldn't be mad you will feel better,feel free to post your own video to prove me wrong until than plz stop posting here. "it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again"
Leeloo Dallas Multipass - "Big bada boom"
http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
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Posted - 2012.12.28 16:43:00 -
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Mund Richard wrote:Was hoping for full room version, would have been more fun on the dps part :( E-war? Missed the full room agro part, so your targeting range was never less than the next target in sight. Multi-room? The first time I managed to do the first room, I cried inside, so boring where the next two room. The way you did it was excellent, proper targeting, miniscule shield tank of one invuln one DC and one booster you didn't even need in fact, and I assume 5 magstab+DDA in the lows, and even a tracking comp to help out those six 425 IIs spewing CNA ammo. Really educational vid. Well, apart from the Curator II usage. Did any of those ships get within 25km? Was lazy to check. Wonder how it would fare in one that has them already within optimal, and many of them, with the previous agro bug.
At some points in vid i did got 3X damped but damping isnt rly much of a prob..well with full room agro it would be and i can always slap tank on my ship to survive that aggro,but why would i do that it will cut in my performance making me camping there.
3 mags 2 drone dmg,with rails and sentrys there is not much chance of stuff getting close yes. "it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again"
Leeloo Dallas Multipass - "Big bada boom"
http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg |
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Grombutz
Treasures Collectors Solar Citizens
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Posted - 2012.12.28 17:53:00 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:Grombutz wrote:I wonder if OP do realize that posting a "way to easy" although he would've been dead in a Sansha Recon 1 is not the best Idea. :D
Hilarious vids of stupidly easy missions vs a stupidly easy faction, 3/10 for this trolling attempt. You shouldn't be mad you will feel better,feel free to post your own video to prove me wrong until than plz stop posting here.
Feel free to make a proper video with missions people are actually worried about, instead of contributing nothing to the "new AI- Discussion".
OH, and since I can assume you did not get the point at all - there are some problems with the new AI and specific missions like Sansha Blockade and similar, also worries about bringing noob-friends to missions etc.
So IF you indeed want to contribute something meaningful - try out those 7+/10 complexes or some harder missions, or bring a noob-mate to them - if you cant do that, stop posting at all because everyone and their moms are aware of the fact that there are some missions which can be completed in a T1 Rifter, even with the new AI, ty! |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
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Posted - 2012.12.28 17:58:00 -
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Ok in sake of respecting your argument i will do sansha recon if i got one and post it here.i am fairly certain i did it before maybe not recon but sanhsa missions in general. "it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again"
Leeloo Dallas Multipass - "Big bada boom"
http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg |
Grombutz
Treasures Collectors Solar Citizens
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Posted - 2012.12.28 17:59:00 -
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Try the sansha-blockade instead of the hilariously easy recon - I was just saying that with what you did in the serpentis-one, you would've been dead in your navy-domi in a sansha recon. |
Mund Richard
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Posted - 2012.12.28 19:45:00 -
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Grombutz wrote:Try the sansha-blockade instead of the hilariously easy recon - I was just saying that with what you did in the serpentis-one, you would've been dead in your navy-domi in a sansha recon. Blockade instead of the hilariously easy recon vs he would have died in recon? That didn't come out the best way.
To the OP: Have fun, I've no doubt with the proper planning it can be done exquisitely (well, maybe some, specially if the triggers/agro bugs), but I must agree with Grombutz on being concerned for newer players for one, some plexes/ect being a lot more painful due to too many elites too close another, and the general needing to really keep a hawk eye on drones and even then possibly not being able to avoid at least one 1-shot not being fun and mostly being just as boring as the dumb version we had before with the occasional "meh, got one instagibbed again, recall, release". Wish there was a Rogue Drone Faction Battleship... Infested Domi! Including all the wiggly bits to tend to your swarm, droneboat role bonus, and ofc with turrets. |
Grombutz
Treasures Collectors Solar Citizens
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Posted - 2012.12.29 02:44:00 -
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Mund Richard wrote:Grombutz wrote:Try the sansha-blockade instead of the hilariously easy recon - I was just saying that with what you did in the serpentis-one, you would've been dead in your navy-domi in a sansha recon. Blockade instead of the hilariously easy recon vs he would have died in recon? That didn't come out the best way. .
Well, recon is easy. It's not my fault if he almost dies in his potwhale there |
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