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Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
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Posted - 2012.12.29 20:25:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Some Rando wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:If CCP nerfs hisec, what have the hisec dwellers/industrialists got left A lot of other space to do business in. High-sec should be left to new players and the little coddled children who can't handle conflict in a PvP game. As I said elsewhere , many people play EVE to relax, manufacture stuff, hang out with friends, not to have an FC yelling at them for allegedly making the team lose a PVP match. If forced to PVP, many would rather leave. Too bad you (like every other high sec genius who says that) have no proof of that. History has shown that people invested in a game will ADAPT rather than leave, and this history is why the CCP brass (rightly) said "watch what they do, not what they say". People like you need to believe legions of other people agree with them (oh look the post I replied to got 12 likes in a game of 400,000 accounts). Sorry, it's just not true. And if high sec people are too narrowminded to see their is a problem, wel, that's just sad. You see most people are NOT saying "buff null/low/wormholes" (another common mistake of the high sec paranoid, it's not just about null), because we aren't greedy entitled welfare queens. We simply would like some internal consistancy in the game we play, high sec as currently constituted doesn't fit.
If you check my opening post, you'll see I said, "lousy player numbers during the last Hulkageddon before the Mining Barge Buff", Hisec was NERFED by Hulkageddon, Thousands left without adapting to broken mechanic where a 5 million isk ship took down a 200 miilion Barge. (Some did adapt, but ended up mining for peanuts/hour relatively speaking and having to spam dscan for hours on end, most not gonna waste time on that kinda brain numbing game play)
Hisec has been nerfed so many times, Null sec has been buffed so many times, if you keep nerfing hisec, only a matter of time before it breaks, and people are not going to log in to make a choice between making 1 million isk/hour in hisec , or go to nullsec to get podded within 5 minutes. Evelopedia;-á
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2666
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Posted - 2012.12.29 20:28:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:If you check my opening post, you'll see I said, "lousy player numbers during the last Hulkageddon before the Mining Barge Buff", Hisec was NERFED by Hulkageddon, Thousands left without adapting to broken mechanic where a 5 million isk ship took down a 200 miilion Barge.
Hisec has been nerfed so many times, Null sec has been buffed so many times, if you keep nerfing hisec, only a matter of time before it breaks, and people are not going to log in to make a choice between making 1 million isk/hour in hisec , or go to nullsec to get podded within 5 minutes. Hahahaha, look at that.
Just say people will unsub and that gankers are killing EVE. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2281
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Posted - 2012.12.29 20:29:00 -
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yeah you saying things doesn't make them true |
psycho freak
Snuff Box
154
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Posted - 2012.12.29 22:35:00 -
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null sec working as intended
player controled content
blob take space rince repeat few times then cry on forums to nurf other areas my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k
nop cant find it |
psycho freak
Snuff Box
163
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Posted - 2012.12.29 22:52:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Mistah Ewedynao wrote:I am all for a completely balanced industrial universe.
So let's have cap ship building and the ability to move them to where needed, moon goo and moon mining in...HIGH SEC!
Jump freighters too, to avoid those pesky bottlenecks.
Then we would be equal.
Well give you Concord too if you would like. CSAAs in hi-sec would be glorious. Let's do this.
if u want full industry rebalnce then yes
can allways war dec the corp building my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k
nop cant find it |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3558
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Posted - 2012.12.30 00:55:00 -
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"Let's quickly make hi sec crap and take 10 years to improve null sec by 1 ounce". Because this is what'll happen.
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Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
411
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Posted - 2012.12.30 03:45:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:"Let's quickly make hi sec crap and take 10 years to improve null sec by 1 ounce". Because this is what'll happen.
Sound business and far sight!
As I said null sec been buffed a zillion times, hisec nerfed, people wont adapt to a over-nerfed hisec, they'll leave, sad, cos 0.0 is just sooooo " fun" Evelopedia;-á
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Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
195
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Posted - 2012.12.30 03:53:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:I'm completely serious. Lets get the CSM on this or whatever it takes.
Because oh god, can you imagine the reaction of the same guys who go nuts about losing a Hulk or something trivial when their loaded up CSAA gets coathangered?
Titangeddon? |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2290
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Posted - 2012.12.30 06:34:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:"Let's quickly make hi sec crap and take 10 years to improve null sec by 1 ounce". Because this is what'll happen.
Sound business and far sight! Under my proposal, hisec will always have the manufacturing capacity to be able to replenish its own losses. That's more then what can be said about nullsec at present. Are you inferring that highseccers are so unable to adapt that the presence of competitive forces and scarcity far, far weaker then what nullseccers have been dealing with for a decade will make them quit in droves? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2699
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Posted - 2012.12.30 06:36:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:"Let's quickly make hi sec crap and take 10 years to improve null sec by 1 ounce". Because this is what'll happen.
Sound business and far sight! Under my proposal, hisec will always have the manufacturing capacity to be able to replenish its own losses. That's more then what can be said about nullsec at present. Are you inferring that highseccers are so unable to adapt that the presence of competitive forces and scarcity far, far weaker then what nullseccers have been dealing with for a decade will make them quit in droves? I believe this is indeed the case. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2290
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Posted - 2012.12.30 06:39:00 -
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Truly nobody holds the average highsec dweller in lower esteem then the carebear advocate. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2699
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Posted - 2012.12.30 06:45:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Truly nobody holds the average highsec dweller in lower esteem then the carebear advocate. They are great people who deserve to be able to use CONCORD like a safety crutch. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
2996
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Posted - 2012.12.30 07:10:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Malcanis wrote:I'm completely serious. Lets get the CSM on this or whatever it takes.
Because oh god, can you imagine the reaction of the same guys who go nuts about losing a Hulk or something trivial when their loaded up CSAA gets coathangered?
Titangeddon? Titanomachy Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3560
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Posted - 2012.12.30 07:47:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:"Let's quickly make hi sec crap and take 10 years to improve null sec by 1 ounce". Because this is what'll happen.
Sound business and far sight! Under my proposal, hisec will always have the manufacturing capacity to be able to replenish its own losses. That's more then what can be said about nullsec at present. Are you inferring that highseccers are so unable to adapt that the presence of competitive forces and scarcity far, far weaker then what nullseccers have been dealing with for a decade will make them quit in droves?
No, I am inferring that nerfing hi sec has not worked ever so far (L4 missions nerfed about 7 times since 2009) and maybe CCP should think about *why*. Because it's easy and fast to nerf, but hard to setup low and null to be enticing. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3560
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Posted - 2012.12.30 07:50:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:destiny2 wrote:If their going to nerf anything nerf null get rid of the tech moons, make it so people actually have to work for their isk How much "work" did hi-sec players put in to get all those invulnerable stations which they can't be locked out of? You don't get to complain about tech moons in null until stations in hi-sec cost you 20 bill a pop.
I'd buy 3 of those stations today! Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6689
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Posted - 2012.12.30 09:11:00 -
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psycho freak wrote:null sec working as intended
player controled content
blob take space rince repeat few times then cry on forums to nurf other areas
Yes thank you for reminding us of some useless cliches MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6689
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Posted - 2012.12.30 09:12:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Malcanis wrote:destiny2 wrote:If their going to nerf anything nerf null get rid of the tech moons, make it so people actually have to work for their isk How much "work" did hi-sec players put in to get all those invulnerable stations which they can't be locked out of? You don't get to complain about tech moons in null until stations in hi-sec cost you 20 bill a pop. I'd buy 3 of those stations today!
Really? OK contact Shirin in game, he'll be delighted to discuss terms. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2736
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Posted - 2012.12.30 09:18:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:psycho freak wrote:null sec working as intended
player controled content
blob take space rince repeat few times then cry on forums to nurf other areas Yes thank you for reminding us of some useless cliches What about
blue lists blobbers (oh you mentioned that) supercapitals falcon boosting alt afk cloaking local Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6691
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Posted - 2012.12.30 09:20:00 -
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psycho freak wrote:Malcanis wrote:Mistah Ewedynao wrote:I am all for a completely balanced industrial universe.
So let's have cap ship building and the ability to move them to where needed, moon goo and moon mining in...HIGH SEC!
Jump freighters too, to avoid those pesky bottlenecks.
Then we would be equal.
Well give you Concord too if you would like. CSAAs in hi-sec would be glorious. Let's do this. if u want full industry rebalnce then yes can allways war dec the corp building
Yes exactly
hi-sec CSAAs would reincarnate the hi-sec mercenary business overnight
hi-sec CSAAs!
hi-sec CSAAs!
LETS DO THIS MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6691
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Posted - 2012.12.30 09:21:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Malcanis wrote:psycho freak wrote:null sec working as intended
player controled content
blob take space rince repeat few times then cry on forums to nurf other areas Yes thank you for reminding us of some useless cliches What about blue lists blobbers (oh you mentioned that) supercapitals falcon boosting alt afk cloaking local
Ehehehe he regularly bangs on about those in the chat channel too, bless his heart
(It's OK to go on about supercaps though) MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6691
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Posted - 2012.12.30 09:22:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:"Let's quickly make hi sec crap and take 10 years to improve null sec by 1 ounce". Because this is what'll happen.
Sound business and far sight! Under my proposal, hisec will always have the manufacturing capacity to be able to replenish its own losses. That's more then what can be said about nullsec at present. Are you inferring that highseccers are so unable to adapt that the presence of competitive forces and scarcity far, far weaker then what nullseccers have been dealing with for a decade will make them quit in droves? No, I am inferring that nerfing hi sec has not worked ever so far (L4 missions nerfed about 7 times since 2009) .
Please list those 7 nerfs.
MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2736
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Posted - 2012.12.30 09:23:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:psycho freak wrote:Malcanis wrote:Mistah Ewedynao wrote:I am all for a completely balanced industrial universe.
So let's have cap ship building and the ability to move them to where needed, moon goo and moon mining in...HIGH SEC!
Jump freighters too, to avoid those pesky bottlenecks.
Then we would be equal.
Well give you Concord too if you would like. CSAAs in hi-sec would be glorious. Let's do this. if u want full industry rebalnce then yes can allways war dec the corp building Yes exactly hi-sec CSAAs would reincarnate the hi-sec mercenary business overnight hi-sec CSAAs! hi-sec CSAAs! LETS DO THIS SOUNDS LIKE A DEAL.
Highsec CSAAs it shall be! First, GSF needs to get some sovereignty in Jita Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1292
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Posted - 2012.12.30 09:33:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:They made it so you didn't have to pack into a few systems in eve to get the quality agents. No wait that was a buff. That very much depends on your definition Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
6692
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Posted - 2012.12.30 09:38:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:They made it so you didn't have to pack into a few systems in eve to get the quality agents. No wait that was a buff. That very much depends on your definition
Well yes, you could define it as a huge buff or an enormous buff. Or even a great buff. So many definitions! MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1292
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Posted - 2012.12.30 09:44:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Frying Doom wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:They made it so you didn't have to pack into a few systems in eve to get the quality agents. No wait that was a buff. That very much depends on your definition Well yes, you could define it as a huge buff or an enormous buff. Or even a great buff. So many definitions! Or in the case of people with high standings the amounts went down as did the LP. so no not a buff in all cases. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3568
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Posted - 2012.12.30 12:10:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Malcanis wrote:destiny2 wrote:If their going to nerf anything nerf null get rid of the tech moons, make it so people actually have to work for their isk How much "work" did hi-sec players put in to get all those invulnerable stations which they can't be locked out of? You don't get to complain about tech moons in null until stations in hi-sec cost you 20 bill a pop. I'd buy 3 of those stations today! Really? OK contact Shirin in game, he'll be delighted to discuss terms.
He can't sell me 3 hi sec stations for 20B a pop. I'd love to set them names and other things. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3568
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Posted - 2012.12.30 12:11:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:They made it so you didn't have to pack into a few systems in eve to get the quality agents. No wait that was a buff.
... which I'd revert in a second. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6052
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Posted - 2012.12.30 12:22:00 -
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heh, the "everyone wins" welfare philosophy is still dominant on these forums ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. An idea for improving corp management |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3568
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Posted - 2012.12.30 12:25:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:"Let's quickly make hi sec crap and take 10 years to improve null sec by 1 ounce". Because this is what'll happen.
Sound business and far sight! Under my proposal, hisec will always have the manufacturing capacity to be able to replenish its own losses. That's more then what can be said about nullsec at present. Are you inferring that highseccers are so unable to adapt that the presence of competitive forces and scarcity far, far weaker then what nullseccers have been dealing with for a decade will make them quit in droves? No, I am inferring that nerfing hi sec has not worked ever so far (L4 missions nerfed about 7 times since 2009) . Please list those 7 nerfs.
M0 removal off large wrecks Across the board reduction of bounties then later Meta 0 removal off all wrecks => The first 3 are due to Kerfira + me, feel free to EvE search 2010 mission forum posts. Removal of L5 missions from hi sec Reduction in numbers and replacement of medium end roids with veldspar and scordite, Removal of drone goo, now drone missions are even worse payout AND became a big ISK faucet. Now, that nerf was really due but it's still a nerf. Not really a nerf but a screwup: buffing hi sec agents to Q20 has been a bad buff to ISK faucet and a nerf to LP. Dodixie and surroundings lost plenty. SOE combat agent gone, another bad decision to put once again stuff in already too good Caldari space. then later LP indirect nerf through FW (that expecially hits hi sec L4)
These are the first that come to my mind, there have been probably others.
Sleepers AI drones are also a general PvE nerf that expecially impacts content not designed for such AI, mainly missions, this includes L4 hi sec missions as the CCP indicated target (AFK drone dominix).
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3568
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Posted - 2012.12.30 12:27:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Frying Doom wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:They made it so you didn't have to pack into a few systems in eve to get the quality agents. No wait that was a buff. That very much depends on your definition Well yes, you could define it as a huge buff or an enormous buff. Or even a great buff. So many definitions!
Or you could define it as an unwarranted sh!t decision by CCP, expecially those who did not roll Caldari.
They incremented the totally unneeded ISK faucet while causing a flood of LP (later worsened for some items by FW) making player generated "content" (trading the LP) less important and NPC faucet more important. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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